Anti-Piracy US System Starting Next Week (Deep Packet Inspection)

Supicioso · Mar 2, 2013

Rishwin said:
That's not a good thing... Piracy is easily the worst thing to ever happen to the internet after child porn/snuff. You have such a smug outlook about piracy being such a great thing but it really is not.

You are accessing software which cost millions of dollars for absolutely free. You ARE stealing it, arguments aside If the internet was a brick & mortar store you are walking in, sticking it inside your jacket & walking out the door. You are stealing something by acquiring software people have paid money to create, and other people are paying money to acquire.

Piracy seems like such a great thing when you're a kid, but grow up & you'll see there's nothing awesome about bring ripped off by people stealing poop you spent years & millions of dollars creating. If there was no piracy, software would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than it is today. That is an absolute fact. So it's great that you get it for "free" but at the end of the day it's the people who legitimately purchase it who are in fact "paying" for your free copy.

Good not have said it better myself. +rep(if I was able to)

Wucas · Mar 2, 2013

Rishwin said:
That's not a good thing... Piracy is easily the worst thing to ever happen to the internet after child porn/snuff. You have such a smug outlook about piracy being such a great thing but it really is not.

You are accessing software which cost millions of dollars for absolutely free. You ARE stealing it, arguments aside If the internet was a brick & mortar store you are walking in, sticking it inside your jacket & walking out the door. You are stealing something by acquiring software people have paid money to create, and other people are paying money to acquire.

Piracy seems like such a great thing when you're a kid, but grow up & you'll see there's nothing awesome about bring ripped off by people stealing poop you spent years & millions of dollars creating. If there was no piracy, software would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than it is today. That is an absolute fact. So it's great that you get it for "free" but at the end of the day it's the people who legitimately purchase it who are in fact "paying" for your free copy.

Your argument is totally one sided.

There have been numerous studies that shows piracy does not drastically change product sales on one side or the other. Just because a product is pirated, it does not necessarily mean that a sale is lost; many people who have pirated products would not of purchased the item to begin with anyways. In some studies, it has been seen that piracy have actually BOOSTED sales, due to people purchasing the product (that they normally wouldn't have purchased) after they had gotten it illegally first.

Then you begin to think of all the talent that is lost by taking away pirated products. How many coders, graphic artists, sound designers and musicians would have lost valuable resources without the creation of pirated materials?

I am not saying that piracy is completely right, but I cannot say it is completely wrong either. Just because people use buzz words like 'theft' or 'stealing' does not mean it is that transparent, nor that simple. You can't simply give a one side to the argument and say that is the correct way things are done, because really, there are valid points on either side.

*Note: Comparing real life theft and piracy is just silly. When something is stolen in real life, the material is lost from the business, meaning you lose the profit gained from selling the product as well as the product itself; when something is lost due to piracy, only the profit is lost. No matter how many times you copy that song, that program, whatever, the only thing that is ever lost is the profit. (hence the word 'copied')

That isn't me cherrypicking or making the statement work for me, that is just simple economics.

Supicioso · Mar 2, 2013

Wucas said:
Your argument is totally one sided.

There have been numerous studies that shows piracy does not drastically change product sales on one side or the other. Just because a product is pirated, it does not necessarily mean that a sale is lost; many people who have pirated products would not of purchased the item to begin with anyways. In some studies, it has been seen that piracy have actually BOOSTED sales, due to people purchasing the product (that they normally wouldn't have purchased) after they had gotten it illegally first.

Then you begin to think of all the talent that is lost by taking away pirated products. How many coders, graphic artists, sound designers and musicians would have lost valuable resources without the creation of pirated materials?

I am not saying that piracy is completely right, but I cannot say it is completely wrong either. Just because people use buzz words like 'theft' or 'stealing' does not mean it is that transparent, nor that simple. You can't simply give a one side to the argument and say that is the correct way things are done, because really, there are valid points on either side.

*Note: Comparing real life theft and piracy is just silly. When something is stolen in real life, the material is lost from the business, meaning you lose the profit gained from selling the product as well as the product itself; when something is lost due to piracy, only the profit is lost. No matter how many times you copy that song, that program, whatever, the only thing that is ever lost is the profit. (hence the word 'copied')

That isn't me cherrypicking or making the statement work for me, that is just simple economics.

You misunderstood what he was saying. What he was saying was companies price their products HIGHER in order to compensate for the people that steal it. That is a fact. It's not one sided at all. It doesn't matter if Joe never intended to purchase it has it but been available on TPB. Said company STILL bumps up the price in order to compensate for his theft.

Stealing drives prices up. That's what he was getting at, and that is a proven fact.

343 · Mar 2, 2013

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Apparently these people will never get it, I give up...

Wucas · Mar 2, 2013

Supicioso said:
You misunderstood what he was saying. What he was saying was companies price their products HIGHER in order to compensate for the people that steal it. That is a fact. It's not one sided at all. It doesn't matter if Joe never intended to purchase it has it but been available on TPB. Said company STILL bumps up the price in order to compensate for his theft.

Stealing drives prices up. That's what he was getting at, and that is a proven fact.

<.<

You have Company A, John, and Billy

Without Piracy:
John has lots of money and buys a product from Company A for $120
Bill is Ducking broke because of child support deductions to his check, he never buys product form Company A

Cost to make product: $X
Total money made: $120

With Piracy
John has lots of money and buys a product from Company A for $120. He then creates a torrent for the program
Bill is Ducking broke because of child support deductions to his check; he downloads the program John uploaded

Cost to make product: STILL $X
Total Money Made: STILL $120

Companies like Adobe, Autodesk, etc, make most of their money off corporations that HAVE to have licenses anyways, not the individual consumer. These companies make a huge deal out of this stuff so they can win lawsuits, making the money they lose to individual pirates plus some. I have no sympathy for Corporate Society when I am 20,000 USD in debt because of college, only making 8.50, and still spending 60+ hours going to school and work.

343 · Mar 3, 2013

Not mention I'm just plain and simply all for the free flow of information. Proprietary information SUCKS. If you're going to keep it to yourself, then why don't they just ENTIRELY keep it to themselves... (IE: Microsnot and Winblows, why the HELL would you release Winblows, and not the source code, ridiculous...) These "proprietary" people are just selfish, they want to give you SOME information, but only what they deem you should know... Screw that, I haven't become as educated as I am because of people that don't share, or only share "a little bit". No, I READ and I've READ a LOT, TONS of information in tons of BOOKS that have been written. I'm like this guy:

Though I wish I could read as fast as him!!!

Also, sorry to have strayed even further off topic, now here I am talking more about free as in free speech, when what I also favor (and is more of the topic at hand) is ~ free as in free beer!

I still insist SOFTware should be free or NOMINAL cost. HARDWARE, tangible items, services is where the real money should be made... That if anything would be the only 100% "cure" to 'piracy', if all SOFTware was free you couldn't pirate it now could you <.<

Supicioso · Mar 3, 2013

Wucas said:
<.<

You have Company A, John, and Billy

Without Piracy:
John has lots of money and buys a product from Company A for $120
Bill is Ducking broke because of child support deductions to his check, he never buys product form Company A

Cost to make product: $X
Total money made: $120

With Piracy
John has lots of money and buys a product from Company A for $120. He then creates a torrent for the program
Bill is Ducking broke because of child support deductions to his check; he downloads the program John uploaded

Cost to make product: STILL $X
Total Money Made: STILL $120

Companies like Adobe, Autodesk, etc, make most of their money off corporations that HAVE to have licenses anyways, not the individual consumer. These companies make a huge deal out of this stuff so they can win lawsuits, making the money they lose to individual pirates plus some. I have no sympathy for Corporate Society when I am 20,000 USD in debt because of college, only making 8.50, and still spending 60+ hours going to school and work.

If you're in debt, it's because of your lack of money management, it's not their fault, though the prices shouldn't be this high to learn. It's mostly yours. No one told you to fill your entire day will classes that'll run you into the thousands I also attend college, I make WAAAAAY less then you do, and I'm no where near in debt. Why? Because I know how to manage my money and classes. I didn't take 5-6 classes, knowing full well it would put me in debt. It'll take me longer to go through school, but I'll also keep myself from that 100k debt hole you're currently digging yourself.

343 said:
Not mention I'm just plain and simply all for the free flow of information. Proprietary information SUCKS. If you're going to keep it to yourself, then why don't they just ENTIRELY keep it to themselves... (IE: Microsnot and Winblows, why the HELL would you release Winblows, and not the source code, ridiculous...) These "proprietary" people are just selfish, they want to give you SOME information, but only what they deem you should know... Screw that, I haven't become as educated as I am because of people that don't share, or only share "a little bit". No, I READ and I've READ a LOT, TONS of information in tons of BOOKS that have been written. I'm like this guy:

Though I wish I could read as fast as him!!!

Also, sorry to have strayed even further off topic, now here I am talking more about free as in free speech, when what I also favor (and is more of the topic at hand) is ~ free as in free beer!

I still insist SOFTware should be free or NOMINAL cost. HARDWARE, tangible items, services is where the real money should be made... That if anything would be the only 100% "cure" to 'piracy', if all SOFTware was free you couldn't pirate it now could you <.<

You two seem to have a very deluded idea of "Cost". Even if it's a virtual item, it takes TIME if not money alone to create that virtual item. Time is money, I'm sure you've heard the saying. Had he not took the time to make that item, it wouldn't be available for you to STEAL in the first place. You saying they don't deserve to profit and make a living from their hard work is both ignorant AND down right selfish. Sure somethings are highly overpriced, but that's because people like you think it's your birthright to get everything handed to them.

You should stop trying to make your point because you're starting to sound more and more ridiculous.
Try growing a little, the world will make more sense.

Rishwin · Mar 3, 2013

343 said:
HA HA, sorry I cannot do anything except laugh extremely hard at your post (at least the beginning)!!! Seriously, comparing piracy to child porn Wow... You surely have some audacity...

Your little comparison of stealing from a brick and mortar store is a completely different argument, that IS stealing. If you take a car, or a compact disc, or a computer that is a (or any other) tangible item and IS plain and simply theft. When you 'copy' data you're not really depriving anyone else of it, you're not 'taking' it, therefore you're essentially not 'stealing' it.

Sure piracy seems like a great thing to kids, after all most of us teach our kids to 'share' right?? I know you're not telling me to "grow up" because I'm older than you are (if your age on your profile is accurate) BTW... "If there was no piracy", like I vaguely said in my previous post, nothing will ever stop piracy that's just a fact. Similarly how if you could 'wave a magic wand to eliminate all the firearms in the world'. guess what, crime would still not stop (people will just use other 'weapons')... So, moving on (I don't desire to go on too much of a tangent which I do have a habit of doing =\), you say "If there was no piracy" software would be cheaper than it is now. This could not possibly be any farther from the truth. At worst that is a myth, at best it is pure speculation (you certainly can not construe it as fact). Just as I speculate that 'software' would be just as expensive had 'piracy' not existed at all. My logic to back that assertion up is, technology is ever improving, not to mention normal rates of 'inflation', companies are constantly having to hire new and more talent to create these ever edge cutting 'games' and 'software', therefore naturally prices will always at least somewhat increase or rise... Therefore, naturally and obviously, games/software cost more now for example, opposed to what they cost in 1990! Then again, look how crappy a computer from 1990 would look and operate sitting next to a computer built just this week! This has nothing to do with 'piracy'... To me it looks like what (I believe) it IS, "normal inflation" and improvements in technology, which in turn produce a higher demand for 'better talent' in the industry...

Fact is, it's usually the people that complain the most about 'piracy' that are the most greedy people/companies etc... They always want more for less (ofc the same could be said about the very 'pirates' they complain about <.<). The 'figures' they spout out about their 'losses' "due to piracy" are NOWHERE near accurate (as pointed out earlier in this thread) as well. Also, like I've said before, I couldn't care less if a company made $200,000,000,000 instead of $275,000,000,000. I personally think they should be glad with ANY sales they do get seeing as technically 'everyone' "could" 'pirate'...

Also, I hate to burst your bubble but, I am not biased in this direction because I'm a 'pirate' but I'm actually a "content creator" myself... I just personally think that these types of 'data' SHOULD be freely shared. People and companies should only make money on either tangible products or services. IE: If I wrote a game, or a program, or a song, etc... I'd give it out for free. If I hosted a website for you, well that's a service, I'd charge... If I made an online game (IE an MMO), the 'client' (software) would be free, but I'd probably charge a usage fee for my 'services' of hosting the server (for the end user being able to play on the server that I HAVE to run for their playing to be possible). I for one am all for Open Source and
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open source and even better if it's BOTH / all three)! I carry the same basic opinion toward just about any 'sector' of the 'entertainment industry' too, same concept applies to movies and music too. Movies, who cares if somebody downloads a movie without paying for it, they should really bank on cinema or live performances. Same for music, who care is people download songs without paying for them, musicians should rely on generating revenue via LIVE SHOWS (and it's kinda funny that [if you've read my other posts in this thread] I actually have plenty of musician friends that feel the SAME way {I only have ONE greedy butt friend who does not})... Hell, I'm not totally against 'asking' (or 'charging') for a SMALL/NOMINAL fee to be able to download these things either, though I still heavily feel that the main revenue stream for this 'industry' should be focused on tangibles, services, and LIVE shows/performances etc... Though I can safely bet you wont see 20th century fox offering movie downloads for $1/5/10 anytime soon if ever! Why, because they're too bloody greedy <.< They'd rather have 5,000,000 people buy it at $50 and COMPLAIN about the 20,000,000 that "illegally pirated it" than have 25,000,000 download it for $10! Which is actually another potential (hypothesis of mine). Who's to say that things wouldn't "balance out in the end" just like in my example. If they sold 5,000,000 copies @ $50, that == the same exact amount of money had they offered it for a $10 download and had 25,000,000 people download it (Also, do not over-analyze my example, I kept it short and to the point - I know there's much more involved in producing, marketing and selling poop!)... Still, that would not stop 'piracy', as I've already said nothing will ever stop piracy. People who do it will continue to do it for whatever their reason is... If anything the companies need to jump on this bandwagon and start offering "legit" downloads to people instead of basically demanding they go buy a physical copy from a store for like $50. If anything that in itself could push someone to piracy, the fact of "hmm, I can go buy this (and get a disc of it) for $50, or I can download it for free" hmm, what do a lot of people obviously choose. So again, I feel like a broken record here, the 'industry' needs to stop hiding under a table in these winds of change, they need to start flying a kite! Now is the time to take advantage of it, with digital distribution they can reach a MUCH wider audience too (therefore potentially drastically increasing overall revenue even if they dropped the product prices [as they should be since it's "digital" and nothing "tangible"]). Not to mention I'm 100% sure it would be cheaper to operate the servers to make these 'legit' downloads available than it would be to produce physical discs, all the printing for the box 'art', etc. then letting them sit on store shelves where they sometimes wont sell... If anything that business model is fail, because you're more likely to lose even MORE money if you produce and distribute a product that winds up collecting dust on some walmart shelf!

I could probably continue to go on and on and on, but I wont -- there's not much point as I think I've made my stance pretty clear. My goal isn't to tell you how to think or what to think or what stance to carry. My goal is to provide information from the other side of the fence, since there is always two sides to every fence... Quite a ways back (when I was a kid) I used to think just like you, in that, "piracy" drives prices up... Until I read more and more and spoke about the subject with people, even with complete strangers, just to get other perspectives for myself...

Fact is, things are (always) changing. Piracy will never change (as in piracy will never completely cease) the only thing that will change about piracy is "how" it's done... Did you know that BOOKS were initially viewed as being piracy!!?? Have you seen those movies, the "steal this film"'s that I linked earlier, if not you should really watch them (no matter what your standpoint is) They will "really make the wheels turn" in your head no matter which side of the fence you're on... Another 'fact' is that you need to go where your customers are. As much as I HATE facebook (and do not have a personal page/account) I still have a business 'page' or 'account' there, why - when I HATE it? Well, simple, it's a GOOD place to get or solicit 'customers' (it's "where the people are")... So, the 'industry' needs to go where it's customers are going, to digital content distribution, not letting their products rot and collect dust on store shelves! I think THAT would be an effective way to 'reduce' "piracy". Not trying to fight change. Furthermore that makes this current model of combating piracy a waste, why are they wasting so much trying to do it this way, when they could just stop fighting the changes that are inevitable! Surely you do know that 'the industry' is behind all this anti piracy BS, the
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music and movie studios etc... Surely it's not some random non profit organization saying "piracy needs to stop" when they would have NOTHING to gain OR lose from it either way! It's not the ISP's either, even though THIS example (CAS/DPI) may directly relate to them, who do you think is paying for it??? Surely they're not, "the industry" is! Which also leads me to wonder, why would you be so anti-piracy if you're not in (or somehow 'tied' to) "the industry", or are you??

I really really REALLY hope you're not older than me, because that is honest the saddest & most pathetic thing I've read here today. You act like a kid, you argue like a kid, and you're as naive as a kid. The best thing you could have done for yourself is claim to be 12 & let the adults talk now. You claim to be a content creator who loves open source, but i'm just curious; If you create things for people who never actually pay you, how do you live? How can you actually code that software to begin with if you're not receiving an income from it? How does a game or MMO start production if nobody has funded it and the budget is whatever change they've got in their pocket?

When companies add DRM or piracy protection to software, they pay money to a DRM software provider to provide that protection in addition to paying them royalties. The adding of DRM costs EXTRA and prices over the past 10 years (as apposed to the 10 years prior to that) are severely inflated in EXCESS of what would be caused by inflation alone. How much is a PC game today? ~$80-90 on release. How much was it 10 years ago? ~$60-70 and none of those games had DRM. How much were the games 10 years before that? Guess what? They were still $60-70. So if inflation alone barely budged the prices for the gaming industry over 20 years but Piracy has increased that inflation tenfold in the years since then, hrmmmmm i wonder what exactly that means... Dammit i knew there was some correlation between piracy & prices i was trying to make...

This is also completely ignoring the fact that the prices are also increased to compensate for lower expected sales. Compared to consoles, over the past few years PC sales have gone DOWN & PC prices have gone UP to compensate. That is an absolute fact. Just because 1,000,000 people aren't going to pay you a cent for it and will instead download it for free, doesn't mean your budget or the amount you spent creating it has gone down. You still need to make back the exact same amount, except you know that you'll get 1,000,000 people not paying which means the price for everyone else has to go UP. That's simple economics even a primary school student can understand. You also fail to understand that when someone has FUNDED the project (ie. they like the proposal & agreed to pay for the project assuming they will make that money back + profit) that means giving it out as open-source simply isn't an option. Because unlike the basement-coded apps & indie games this actually cost ALOT of money to make.

"HA HA, sorry I cannot do anything except laugh extremely hard at your post (at least the beginning)!!! Seriously, comparing piracy to child porn Wow... You surely have some audacity..."

No, no i did not. Do you even know what a comparison is? It was a stated fact. Piracy IS one of THE WORST things to have ever happened to the internet. More money has been lost this way than by any other means, and it HAS affected several studios enough to force them to close.

"Your little comparison of stealing from a brick and mortar store is a completely different argument, that IS stealing. If you take a car, or a compact disc, or a computer that is a (or any other) tangible item and IS plain and simply theft. When you 'copy' data you're not really depriving anyone else of it, you're not 'taking' it, therefore you're essentially not 'stealing' it."

The person standing in line infront of you was just asked to pay $1,000 for that piece of software you've just stuffed into your jacket & will install at home for free. Regardless of how much you rationalize that even if it was a tangible object it would only cost 50c to burn to a CD, the CONTENT of that CD cost MILLIONS to create and in order to use it the publishers are asking that you give them a portion of that back as thanks for them creating it for you. Someone paid millions of dollars to fund the project, someone had to pay salaries to all of the programmers who coded it, yet you think you are still ENTITLED to get that software for free while everyone else pays for it?

As for your technology debate... Don't make me laugh. A PC 10 years ago cost the same as a PC today. Difference is, the PC from today is ~100x more powerful. Go forward 10 years, and the same cost is associated with making this PC. New tech always cost the same, it then drops as it becomes mainstream & again when it's obsolete. Today's PC is easier to afford due to people EARNING MORE MONEY, but the price of the item itself has not changed, the buying power of the population has.

Wucas · Mar 3, 2013

Supicioso said:
If you're in debt, it's because of your lack of money management, it's not their fault, though the prices shouldn't be this high to learn. It's mostly yours. No one told you to fill your entire day will classes that'll run you into the thousands I also attend college, I make WAAAAAY less then you do, and I'm no where near in debt. Why? Because I know how to manage my money and classes. I didn't take 5-6 classes, knowing full well it would put me in debt. It'll take me longer to go through school, but I'll also keep myself from that 100k debt hole you're currently digging yourself.

Don't talk about things you do not have any knowledge about, it ends up just making you sound arrogant. I know for a fact my situation and yours are completely and totally different, so comparing us is useless. Money management is not the reason I am in the position, nor do I blame anyone else for the reason I am debt, I am simply saying that I do not have sympathy for millionaires nickle and diming away at the middle class every chance they can.

For your information, the only thing I "pirate" is Anime, just for the fact it is impossible to get most airing shows in the USA until months if not years after they have been placed on TV. Besides that, I have student editions, freeware, or programs I purchase. I do not have the 'I deserve everything' ideal, I have never gotten a single thing in my life without hard work, nor do I intend on being a freeloader, I simply was arguing that piracy is not 'the second most evil thing on the internet'.

343 · Mar 3, 2013

Rishwin said:
I really really REALLY hope you're not older than me, because that is honest the saddest & most pathetic thing I've read here today. You act like a kid, you argue like a kid, and you're as naive as a kid. The best thing you could have done for yourself is claim to be 12 & let the adults talk now. You claim to be a content creator who loves open source, but i'm just curious; If you create things for people who never actually pay you, how do you live? How can you actually code that software to begin with if you're not receiving an income from it? How does a game or MMO start production if nobody has funded it and the budget is whatever change they've got in their pocket?

When companies add DRM or piracy protection to software, they pay money to a DRM software provider to provide that protection in addition to paying them royalties. The adding of DRM costs EXTRA and prices over the past 10 years (as apposed to the 10 years prior to that) are severely inflated in EXCESS of what would be caused by inflation alone. How much is a PC game today? ~$80-90 on release. How much was it 10 years ago? ~$60-70 and none of those games had DRM. How much were the games 10 years before that? Guess what? They were still $60-70. So if inflation alone barely budged the prices for the gaming industry over 20 years but Piracy has increased that inflation tenfold in the years since then, hrmmmmm i wonder what exactly that means... Dammit i knew there was some correlation between piracy & prices i was trying to make...

This is also completely ignoring the fact that the prices are also increased to compensate for lower expected sales. Compared to consoles, over the past few years PC sales have gone DOWN & PC prices have gone UP to compensate. That is an absolute fact. Just because 1,000,000 people aren't going to pay you a cent for it and will instead download it for free, doesn't mean your budget or the amount you spent creating it has gone down. You still need to make back the exact same amount, except you know that you'll get 1,000,000 people not paying which means the price for everyone else has to go UP. That's simple economics even a primary school student can understand. You also fail to understand that when someone has FUNDED the project (ie. they like the proposal & agreed to pay for the project assuming they will make that money back + profit) that means giving it out as open-source simply isn't an option. Because unlike the basement-coded apps & indie games this actually cost ALOT of money to make.

"HA HA, sorry I cannot do anything except laugh extremely hard at your post (at least the beginning)!!! Seriously, comparing piracy to child porn Wow... You surely have some audacity..."

No, no i did not. Do you even know what a comparison is? It was a stated fact. Piracy IS one of THE WORST things to have ever happened to the internet. More money has been lost this way than by any other means, and it HAS affected several studios enough to force them to close.

"Your little comparison of stealing from a brick and mortar store is a completely different argument, that IS stealing. If you take a car, or a compact disc, or a computer that is a (or any other) tangible item and IS plain and simply theft. When you 'copy' data you're not really depriving anyone else of it, you're not 'taking' it, therefore you're essentially not 'stealing' it."

The person standing in line infront of you was just asked to pay $1,000 for that piece of software you've just stuffed into your jacket & will install at home for free. Regardless of how much you rationalize that even if it was a tangible object it would only cost 50c to burn to a CD, the CONTENT of that CD cost MILLIONS to create and in order to use it the publishers are asking that you give them a portion of that back as thanks for them creating it for you. Someone paid millions of dollars to fund the project, someone had to pay salaries to all of the programmers who coded it, yet you think you are still ENTITLED to get that software for free while everyone else pays for it?

As for your technology debate... Don't make me laugh. A PC 10 years ago cost the same as a PC today. Difference is, the PC from today is ~100x more powerful. Go forward 10 years, and the same cost is associated with making this PC. New tech always cost the same, it then drops as it becomes mainstream & again when it's obsolete. Today's PC is easier to afford due to people EARNING MORE MONEY, but the price of the item itself has not changed, the buying power of the population has.

You an 'adult', dude your testicles haven't even dropped yet <.< I may not be old enough to be your daddy, but I have almost TEN years on you, so YOU grow up, let your testicles drop, live and learn a little, THEN come back and talk to me... I am a content creator, and I'll tell you what: I make my money off of SERVICES or the TANGIBLE items I sell. All my "intellectual property" I do not charge for... So yes, I am NOT a GREEDY duck like the industry, and apparently YOU. Now can you tell me THIS, HOW and WHY is UNIX/LINUX (not only open source but,) BETTER than windows, yet FREE

OMG how is this possible, NO WAY... >.< Wait wait wait,