This is a discussion on Community spirit - "Off Topic" within the Priston Tale forums, part of the MMO and MMORPG Developments category; vormav, where do you find those images lmfao...
LOL, burka ninja edition:
To be honest I think they training to protect themself from muslim man :)
Last edited by Vormav; 21-02-12 at 11:21 AM.
I'm getting blind because of all the "no"'s I read XD
someone needs to teach me how to talk like that
dats so wrong, but i'm nasty
I found interesting patent:
Patent US6293874 - User-operated amusement apparatus for kicking the user's buttocks - Google Patents
Kim Dotcom’s first TV interview (megaupload, it's right after he was released from jail)
Kim Dotcom’s first TV interview - Video Dailymotion
He have interesting points of view on piracy.
There's pros and cons to the current IP state of affairs. It's just a mess. As it becomes our primary industry, it's also a mess which is the foundation of our financial system. It's clear that both are at a point of critical collapse.
IP law is not applicable to how we live now. Unenforceable and stifling to every form of "thought worker". (anyone who trades upon ideas and innovation as opposed to physical things crafted by industrial processes from hunting, farming and mining to factory floor manufacturing etc.) It's abhorrent to intellectuals and lovers of capitalism, free trade and freedom of speech alike.
Unfortunately, industrial society has no respect or recognition for "artists" as "thought workers". (Craftsman, possibly, but not artists)
If you perform on stage you can charge people to come and watch the performance, and make a living. This applies to musicians, actors, poets, lecturers, sportsmen (from Gladiators to Olympians right through to Football and Baseball) and supporting workers such as composers, playwrights, stage directors etc. can all enjoy a cut from the proceeds.
Once you record a performance so that the same performance can be enjoyed a second time without the performers presence, there is no pub, club, stadium, theatre, lecture hall etc. to charge at the door. The charge point was moved (by copyright) to the press.
That press was originally a literal printing press, so the door keeper became publishing houses. The manufacturing process of publishing houses printing music and literature fits an industrial metaphor. It can be extended to any software which is distributed by a physical medium. So Vinyl, Magnetic tape cartages, laser discs etc. are all fine within present IP. If you "re-publish" you break copyright.
The only physical medium with the internet is the cabling, and with wireless communications it's closes relative is the masts, dishes, satellites etc. You can't charge for the presence of radio frequency transmitting substances like air or water. This was where "broadcasters licenses" came in, and where the term "pirate" came from, with "pirate radio" stations operating off-shore, in international waters to avoid the broadcast license. (robbery on the high-seas)
On the internet, everyone becomes a publisher, or broadcaster. The only logical way to charge current IP laws to fit a medium like the internet would be to bill everyone who connects to the internet a "copyright fee" or "broadcast fee" and pay everyone who connects to the internet a "publishers fee". Wait... So you take our money and then give it back to us??? Well, you could charge for downloads and compensate for uploads. Most of us consume more than we produce.
This is absolutely not compatible with capitalist free market thinking. Can I film myself sat on the toilet, post it and receive the same compensation as George Lucas gets for any of his films? How does that even compare?
But if the "door" is an internet connection, then both performances occur in the same arena. Both must be charged for equally. You can charge an annual rate, and pay back or discount for "shares", or you can charge for downloads and discount for uploads. But you cannot differentiate quantity from quality, and neither can you differentiate reproduction from re-imagination or re-interpretation. It would be hard to even spot innovation, because (as Kim Dotcom points out with regards to the other providers who offered identical services to MegaUpload) the same basic idea typically occurs to several people at once, because we all encounter the same problems from living in the same environment at the same time.
If people can't make a living out of art, then art will die. Industrialism is dying too, as we run out of raw materials! So where does humanity stand without art or industry?
So long as we continue to try to compensate artists as though they where manufacturers, the concept of the internet is abhorrent to our law. But it thrives because it is absolutely in line with our social and intellectual being. So ultimately, what we are saying is that we cannot abide by the laws we have created for ourself.
These laws need to change. We cannot abolish them, and maintain our current financial system. But we cannot uphold them and maintain our current technological and intellectual progress. They can't be practically adapted or evolved, because they have simply outlived their usefulness. They need to be "replaced" entirely. A legal revolution, not evolution. Yet, historically, the law cannot be revolutionised without political revolution.
My personal opinion is that the political revolution is long overdue anyway. It will come, but our democratic overlords are very accustomed to preventing the civil unrest that leads to true political revolution. Even to the extent that they will stick their noses, unwanted and uncalled for, into the affairs of undemocratic nations who are prepared for that revolution, and impose their democratic "easing" on them to stop them finding a "better way", and gaining an advantage.
I don't know what that "better way" would be, and like most people I'm unwilling to implement the "anarchy" which would allow "natural selection" to find it. Anarchy is a scary idea, and last ditch attempt.
Not A Big Deal (Season 7, Episode 9) - Video Clips - South Park Studios
True is that some "stars" would never be popular if not piracy, like that girl who sign "Friday" multiple times. If people would not laugh and remix her she would never make money with lack of talent like this. Without piracy games would cost 3 maybe 10 times more. Look at PS3 to PC price. PC usually giving better graphics, fan made mods, fixes, better multiplayer and 2 times smaller price (e.g. Battlefield).
And the thing that Kim Dotcom mentioned in interview. I remember when Scott Pilgrim vs. the World went to the cinemas... every f*cking were but not in my country. Only way to get the movie was to buy DVD long after the world watched it. Shitty movies are always in cinemas but when there is good movie... ugh.
I'm not justifying piracy but I'm saying that I don't believe that giving money straight to company would increase quality. I actually see it opposite, best games/movies ever made had low budget. It's kind of different with music.
But I agree we are running out of raw material... or we are just getting too old. I don't like new movies and games, getting something good those days is very rare.
IDK if this is how the page you linked to looks for you, but it's pretty ironic. XD
I have no idea who 'that girl who sign "Friday" multiple times.' is, so clearly not all that famous. The reason console games tend to be more expensive is the cost of the SDK and "community site licensing". (XBolloxLife! and Playstationary Networx XD) Fortunately Microsoft have to compete with Mac OS X (which comes with X-Code Tools) and Linux, so the SDK is still free for PC Developers.
As for films... I've never heard of "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" either, but Hollywood has out-priced all our cinemas, so our local will only show films from the 1960s back and small independent films here. We'd have to travel to find an out of town that would be prepared to show the actual film. And since the local council pretty much prices car drivers off the road in a city like mine with congestion charges and park & ride / city parking permit + wage reduction for being a car owner on top of Road Tax, Insurance and MOT license... not to mention drivers license / EU Citizenship update and administration costs, and Carbon Emission Tax on top of over inflated fuel costs most people can't get to the "out of town" areas by public transport.
Yea, we generally have to wait till it's out on DVD a year after the U.S. DVD release... and by then I can't be arsed watching it, let alone paying the £25 for the DVD, or even a fiver to rent. Besides which... as you so rightly say, most Holywood films are just crap compared to the European / Canadian and Asian ones. Most of the "high budget" (non-independant) films I see are Pathé. (Though they usually team with a US / Canadian film company)
Running out or raw physical material. There is no more coal, oil, gas, iron etc. to dig up. XD (Some in existing mines / quarries, but no more to find) This is why primary and secondary industry is dying. The UK is 99.8% Tertiary employment, and most of that is held by over-seas out-source employees. (and David Cameron wonders why there are so many unemployed people... Dude! We are so Scroogeed. )There is plenty of artistic material, and always will be... unless you start thinking of "art" as if it is an "industry". It isn't, industry is based on churning out large quantities of identical, or near identical items to maintain a consistent quality. Art is about each production being new and unique. Capitalism, communism and any other industrial paradigm cannot cope with this concept. There is no way to quantify individuality.Spoiler:
For example, farms size and grade eggs because each one is individual. For a music track to be good it has to be unlike anything else, and still pleasant to the ear of the listener. The more unique it is the better, unless it sounds like crap. What is your "egg grading" scale for "Unlike anything else" - "Sounds like crap" which produces a cost to a musical track? It can't be done. In fact, the best way to "sell" music would be to auction it as you would original paintings or sculptures. But that would require no more than one production of any track.
The ultimate in musical experience is still the live performance. If mp3 downloads where only ever seen as a marketing tool to get bums on seats at the concert hall, this would be fine. I suspect that many musicians would be happy with this, but record labels would not. XD Before the 1950's however, there where no big international "pop music stars". It was only radio promoting record sales which allowed studio recordings to replace sheet music. The international stars used to be the composer, and local talent would perform the stars work. In that sense, the record producers have had a bloody good run.
And people wonder why piracy exist..................................................................................................................
One Bullet, Two Kills - Like a boss! - YouTube
You should watch "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" it's "old school" for a "new" movie =P
PS3 SDK is leaked anyway =P But you can make PS3 games using Unity.
Friday: (don't listen it will destroy your brain)
As type 0 civilisation we still have long way to go but as long there is "energy" (like solar energy) in the universe we "can" survive.
I was thinking about ideas; new books, games, movies feel like copy of something I already know. They'r making a lot of remakes and rarely something original.
But no mater how hard you try mp3 will not replace opera :)
Last edited by Vormav; 02-03-12 at 07:32 PM.
lol, south park is funny even tho I cant understand why they hate canadians so much