This is a discussion on Creationism or Evolution - The Great Debate within the Debate forums, part of the Evolution : RaGEZONE category; Originally Posted by Robert You do know what a half life is? Its when matter decays. This process is how ...
Yea, I guess I should have brushed up on my half-life knowledge...Originally Posted by Robert
Case and Point. If apes, which supposedly predate human, are still around why are the Transitional species between the apes and Humans not alive? If the Transitional species are suppose to be advance through natural selection then they should have survived longer than apes. Unless you think that the ape to human transition took only one generation.You do realize that new species don't necesarily kill off what came before them? Homo sapiens outcompeted their immediate predecessors, but monkeys and apes are still around.
That image tries to depict the Ape to Human transitional. However, Between the Homo-Erectus and Homo-Sapien we find fossilized remains of humans between 13 and 30 feet tall. Can Evolution explain why the caveman grew suddenly immensely large then shrunk to 6 feet?
The bone found, next to a ~ six foot man:
Says the people that call opposing theories, Religion based, Biased, Unscientific, Fanatical group of Loonies.Seriously, trying to pass off evolution as bunk by attacking it's weaker points is childish.
Transitions supposedly took 50 - 90 million years. So how is it possible we find 1, if lucky, in a course of approx. 70 million years. And if we find a transitional fossil it usually is out of place, like the giant humans between Homo-Erectus and Homo-Sapien. Still Evolution is taught as fact in many schools.So what if there isn't archaelogical evidence sufficient to explain the ENTIRE biological history. Is there sufficient evidence to catalog all human history? What, there isn't a complete unbroken record? But that's much simpler, should I therefore infer that no humans lived in these gaps?
Are you saying we evolved from apes?
We did not, it was actualy a tree shrew type animal. Both apes and humans evolved from this, about 5-8 million years ago in the pliocene era. The tree shrew like animal evolved from a hedge hog and that from a starfish.
We know this happened by looking at the genomes of humans and chimpanzees, they finaly separated 5.4million years ago.
Again please do research before you try to make points...
Well, I guess you can say the same for blue birds evolving from amoebas and grizzly bears from fish. I was talking about the immediate supposed ancestors of Homo sapien. According to the theory of evolution, as of 2006, these are the ancestors of Humans.
Homo habilis or Homo rudolfensis -> missing link
missing link -> Homo ergaster
Homo ergaster -> missing link (possibly more than one)
missing link -> Homo heidelbergensis
Homo heidelbergensis -> missing link
missing link -> Homo sapien
Please note that as of 2006 evolutionists DO NOT KNOW which family was the ancestor of the Homo Family, though some speculate, with out much evidence, that the ancestorial family is the Australopithecus family, but that is just pure speculation.
And, IMO, these species look ape enough for me to consider them monkeys, though I suppose the correct technical term would be hominiods(sp?)
The fact there are a few missing links between species, you are totaly disputing the fact it could have happened? Surely a before, most of the middle and an after is good enough?
I dont understand how you can put so much faith into a god with litterly NO proof, when there is already most of the proof being shown to you.
As i said, we didnt really evolve from apes, we seperated 5.4 million years ago from them.
Ohh and please dont call them evolutionists, they are called Biologists...
And, TBH, I think if Darwin was alive today the thought of evolution by means of natural selection would never have crossed his mind. When he made his theory, He and all scientists thought a cell was a blob of goo. However I do think Darwin was right about his natural selection theory, but the process of natural selection will only stay in species, not cross kingdoms and phyla.
Ok, so you have proven that evolution has it's holes and "missing links."
Now, let me show you what creationism is missing.
1. The fact that you cannot create something from nothing.
Plain and simple, creationism just can't get over that one now can it?
I think you didn't understand what a scientific theory is.
A theory is something that you use to prove something until you get a counterproof.
Evolutionism is a theory, that has a lot of weakness, and the discussion between scientists is what will be the evolutionistic theory that better will solve the problem. This is the role of scientist, make a theory and prove it. The problem is that the evolution is not easily repeatable, but the debate about evolutionism exists and the theory itself evolves.
Creationism, if involve something preternatural, is not a theory, because something preternatural cannot have a counterproof.
Dealing with evolution is like to have some photos and suppose that they are in sequences, we can't be 100% sure, but that will be the best scientific guess we can do.
What theory can explain fossils better than an evolutionistic ones?
Also, you cannot use a probabilistic counterproof to deny a theory. A counterproof is: 'this thing will never happens', not: 'this thing will almost never happens'
that my 2 cents..
ah, and apologize for my bad english ;)
Last edited by fealoro; 06-03-07 at 01:43 PM. Reason: miss some verbs and plurals, sorry
"1. The fact that you cannot create something from nothing."
I believe that the big bang uses this too. Where do you suppose the first materials for the big bang came from? and if they came from other materials where did those materials come from... and so on.
You cant ask what was before the big bang because in essense there cannot of been a before.
For all we know there could of just been a massive amount of energy, which when the big happened turned into matter and thus time was created. This massive amount of energy is what i think of when someone talks about god...