Is eternal life possible?

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    Registered JusticeForSome is offline
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    Is eternal life possible?

    I just got done reading an article that opened up my mind to such a great extent. You can read the article here if you feel like it;

    Is the Universe Conscious?

    Which after reading it, brought me to think, is it possible for anything in the universe to exist forever? As the article mentions, as-well as other brilliant sources, "we are made of star stuff" - so could perhaps the entire universe be conscious, therefore alive? If so, can it live forever?

    Let me just put something into perspective for you. A teaspoon of neutron star weighs about 10m. tons, or 2.E13 (20,000,000,000,000) 20 trillion pounds. Therefore, 3lbs. of neutron star (10m. tons per teaspoon * 6 teaspoons per ounce * 16oz. per pound * 3 pounds) would weigh about 7.84E40 (78,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) pounds. Now take 7.84E40 * even just 10 (it would definitely be exponentially higher) atoms per pound inside of the neutron star and it would equal approximately 7.84E42 atoms per pound * 3 pounds = 2.352E43 atoms in 3 pounds of a neutron star.

    Now let's take a look at the human brain, the human brain weighs about 3 pounds. (Which is why I chose to use 3 pounds of neutron star in comparison) To figure out how many atoms are in a 3 pound human brain, you would just take 1E25 neurons in the 3 pound brain * 100 trillion atoms per neuron = 1E39 atoms in a 3 pound human brain, or 3E38 atoms per pound. Compare that to 7.84E40 atoms in 3 pounds of neutron star, or 2.6E40 atoms per pound. And that is only with measuring around 10 atoms per pound of neutron star, when, it would be exponentially, perhaps millions or billions of times higher. (You're dealing with the number of atoms per pound of a neutron star afterall) So the number of atoms inside the same amount of weight of a neutron star as a human brain would, in-turn, be exponentially higher - and look what we are capable of doing with our 1.E39 atom brain - compared to 7.84E40 (on the exponentially lower end) atoms in just 3 pounds of neutron star - just 3 pounds, when they weigh altogether up to 1.4 solar masses (or 1.4 times the size of our sun). The math here is unreal.

    To find out how many atoms are in a whole neutron star, and not just 3 pounds, you would then take 1.4 solar masses, or approximately 40E30 pounds, and multiply by 7.84E42 atoms per pound and get approximately 3.136E74 atoms in a whole neutron star. That is very roughly around 313,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms comprising an entire neutron star. (Remember, too, that I used an exponentially lower number of atoms per pound of neutron star than what it would actually be. So multiply 3.136E74 exponentially and your number of atoms in an entire neutron star would be more accurate.)

    So let's regroup. We have a neutron star with very roughly around 2.6E40 atoms per pound, (7.8E40 atoms per 3 pounds) that weighs approximately 40E30 pounds; and a human brain with approximately 3E38 atoms per pound (1E39 atoms per 3 pounds). As you can see, a neutron star has a lot more atoms in the equivalent weight of a human brain, and human brains are capable of so many wonderful things, from consciousness, to the ability to accept its own ultimate fate in the universe.

    Now we have only covered the (very, very rough) amount of atoms in the weight equivalents of a 3 pound human brain, and 3 pounds of one neutron star. Just imagine how many atoms are in the entire universe. Just take for instance the number of neutron stars suspected to be in our own milky way galaxy, puts it at about 1 billion. Multiply 1 billion neutron stars by very roughly 3.136E74 atoms per neutron star, and you get about 3E83 atoms in all the neutron stars in our galaxy. According to Hubble, there are roughly 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe alone, and that number is only expected to increase as telescope technology advances, so multiply 100 billion galaxies, by 1 billion neutron stars in each galaxy, and you get approximately 1E20 neutron stars in the observable universe. Multiply 1E20 neutron stars by 3.136E74 atoms per neutron star, and you get very roughly 3E94 atoms in just the neutron stars of our observable universe alone, and remember, I used an exponentially lower number of atoms per pound of neutron star than what it actually most likely is, so multiply 3E94 exponentially and you get the very rough number of atoms in all the neutron stars of our observable universe. (We'll just multiply by 1 million more atoms per pound of neutron star and get about 3E100 atoms in all the neutron stars of our observable universe)

    Again, that's just the number of atoms in the neutron stars alone, imagine the number of atoms throughout the entire, not just observable, universe - which as far as we know, could extend infinitely. We don't just have neutron stars either making up exponential amounts of atoms in the observable universe. We have black holes, entire galaxies with exponential amounts of stars and structures inside them, vast cosmic structures such as the Sloan great wall or Virgo supercluster, which are light-years in size, containing, well, pretty much unfathomable amounts of atoms. Just attempt to multiply the possible infinite spatial extent of the universe by the number of atoms in our observable universe alone, and you may just cause the universe itself to just disappear or implode out of sheer profound quantities.

    Which brings me back to the fact that we are indeed made of star stuff. At the very basic level, everything that exists is made of atoms, that includes us as-well as the milky way, and every other galaxy or piece of moldy dog poop there is. So what makes us different than say the observable universe as humans? Our ability to be aware and conscious of our existence and ultimate fate in the universe? Our ability to change the outcome of our time we have based on our decisions we consciously, and willingly make? Our ability to accept our most probable ultimate fate? How do we know the entire universe itself isn't conscious, from a very single atom to every square measurement of physical space there is - even in some other similar sense, or aware that it does indeed exist, and how do we know that it does not have the same ability to change the outcome of its time in existence, based on actions that it does indeed take, whatever they may be? How do we know the universe isn't aware of its ultimate fate?

    Then again, how do we know that the universe has an ultimately non-existent fate, and will eventually, whether in 1 second, or a googolplex millenium, cease to exist? As far as our knowledge and technology tells and shows us, we have no clue what was 'before' the physical existence of the known universe. (Some theories speculate many different possibilities, from the universe going through 'cycles' to it just always being there in some form or another.) On the other hand, we do know that our universe as we know it now will in-fact eventually come to some form of an end, when its visible expansion inevitably slows down, and it starts to retreat and collapse in on itself, but will this be an 'actual', ultimate ending? Or as previously hypothesized just part of an endless cycle?

    So now let's say that the universe itself was indeed alive and conscious. Again, look what human brains are capable of with the amount of atoms inside the brain alone. Now just imagine, what something alive and aware with the same number of atoms in the (possibly infinite) universe would be able to do. The possibilities would hypothetically be literally infinite, including the ability to exist, or live forever. But what exactly does 'forever' mean? Because forever is just a measurement of time, simply an endless one, and time is in essence just a man-made concept which is still relatively unknown.

    But as I have talked about before, in a spatially and chronologically infinite universe, anything and everything could and would be possible and take place, including the universe never even existing in the first place, or the said universe continuing to exist for the rest of what we as humans know of as eternity.

    So we must then discuss what it means for something to exist forever, in terms of how we describe and perceive time as humans. (Seeing as how again, time is a man-made concept) Could forever actually be never, and never be forever? Or could forever just be, well, forever, and never just be never? Also, could the universe exist because 'something' has to exist as 'nothing' can not exist? If so, that would mean it always existed, and always will exist, in some form or another.

    But life itself finds a way to survive, that's greatly a part of what makes life, well, life. Again, what if the universe itself was alive? Would it find a way to survive, either because it is alive, and/or because as previously mentioned something has to exist as nothing can not? According to the law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed, and everything is made of energy. Those are both undeniable facts. So when a human being 'dies' his or her atoms that he or she was made of, return to the stars; as-well as when a black hole evaporates, its atoms return to the stars, or when a star explodes, its atoms too are just simply returned to the vast possibly infinite space containing them.

    So what is the ultimate fate of any existence, whether conscious or unconscious? Some people believe human being perception and consciousness create existence, some people believe there is a God, or God's that create(d) existence, some people believe that 'there is no existence' and everything is just an illusion, and some people believe... well, they don't know what to believe. But if the universe and everything that exists were conscious and alive, as-well as aware, what would they believe? What would their perception and consciousness create?

    We just simply don't, and cannot know. Unless my blanket or bed start talking to me and telling me about their existence in the past, present and future, or the universe starts speaking about what it feels, experiences and believes. But you know what I do know? I myself exist in some form or context right now, otherwise I would not be writing this. You know what I don't know? What the next instant of my existence will bring. So with that being known and taken into consideration, I, as a coherent, conscious being, with free-will, can do everything and anything it takes in the current, here and now moment, to do one or both of two things. 1.) Take care of myself and do what makes me happy and survive in the current, here and now, because that is the only thing guaranteed 100%, and/or 2.) Do my best to take care of other beings and/or atoms of the universe, as for all I know, they could have an eternal existence and I, being "made of star stuff" along with everything else, would exist eternally as part of them.

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    MMO Supervisor Biesmen is offline
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    Re: Is eternal life possible?

    No, an eternal human life with all it's cells living and functioning properly is not possible.
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    Registered JusticeForSome is offline
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    Re: Is eternal life possible?

    Not to sound rude or condescending or anything, but did you even read the entire article? Yes human function relies on synapses of cells and chemical reactions, but as I stated at the very basic level, all we are is a bunch of atoms, just like every and anything else in the universe. So again, as I stated and questioned in the article, for all we know, could the universe itself and everything contained within it be alive? There is plenty of supporting evidence that could point to that possibility, so we do not know for certain.

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    ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ racegod is offline
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    Re: Is eternal life possible?

    Technically not even the universe is eternal

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    Re: Is eternal life possible?

    No matter what article we are to read upon I am gonna agree with @Biesmen as immortality or even eternal life as it's put isn't possible and whether I am being a party pooper on this or not it's true due to the facts of no matter how much you prevent something or freeze it's cells as they will still deteriorate and age, therefore this will eventually lead to an almighty end to whatever is living or choosing to.
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    Slothstronaut Justice For All is offline
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    Re: Is eternal life possible?

    Why do you say that? Scientists and biologists, for the sake of biology and living things, are already making significant advances in the preservation of living organism cells. Give it 100, or even a thousand years and who or what's to say they will not have found a way to indefinitely preserve them?

    With technology and knowledge of the workings of the world and universe around us, both living and non-loving expanding exponentially as time goes on, the possibility of immortality increases too. Honestly the only barrier I see in reaching immortality, is the eventual contraction of the physical universe as it ceases to expand.

    But even then, more and more studies are being done, and many prominent physicists at universities all over are revealing more insight on the possibility of multi-verse's and pocket/bubble universe's existing. In which case, we could potentially come up with a way to travel to different universe's when one is on the verge of collapsing/ceasing to exist - doing so indefinitely (since many speculations indicate that if multi-verse's do exist they are most likely innumerable) ultimately meaning immortality.

    However, the only issue with that particular area of study, is the possibility that different universe's may consist of and be governed by different laws of physics than the one's we currently know of. For instance, while gravity may warp space-time in our universe, it could potentially have no effect on it in another - and if like I previously mentioned, the number of multi-verses is truly endless, the possibilities would therefore be endless too.

    Then you even have to consider the quantum world when discussing immortality or an endless universe. Not very much at all is known currently about quantum mechanics, but what we do know is, just like multi-verse's, the laws of physical nature operate differently at the quantum level. Therefore again, the possibilities are potentially endless. Yes I know, there really is no way to know for certain, at least at this point in time, whether or not immortality or the indefinite existence of our universe/multiple universe's is possible, but that's what speculation and research is for

    If we didn't speculate, theorize, hypothesize and expand on these areas of human studies, we would never advance at all. We would still be in the stone age knowing little to nothing about the workings of things in existence. It's with the study of possibilities that our knowledge of things around us expands. Curiosity is a wonderful quality to possess.