This is a discussion on GunZ section update - please all members read within the Gunz Online forums, part of the MMO and MMORPG Developments category; Originally Posted by exclamatio In no other game do you see so much ego, so much senseless and childish bickering. ...
This is all opinionated I understand if you disagree with what I said, but I did take pride in my work and Gunz development.
Well Phail deserves another chance according to me. He's a great developer and after this, I'm sure he'll work more towards controlling people out here.
so whit this settled, who do i ban?
.....Never Ending Story.....
...:That Just ended:...
As a mod if you disagree with another mods action you must go to a higher up and under no circumstances should it stay public. This is no secret and is often talked about in the staff section, it even has it's own sticky, which you either didn't read or plain ignored.
I'm sorry it came to this point, but what I do hope is that this is the lowest point. From here we go up ;)
As you are pushing the discussion (common trait of someone with pride) I'll let you see how it looks from my point of view.
After the e-fights had stopped I'm left with a section that has 3 moderators involved, all mods in said section too which is rare. So I weigh things up, I check your activity levels, I weigh up what I know about each mod and decide who is best to keep (a) For the GunZ section and (b) For the Ragezone mod team.
So I'm faced with the following,
(stats dont include infractions)
2012 logged actions since August '08
Been a mod the longest
Been a member the longest
224 logged actions since August '09
Is a great developer
Has been known to attack private servers
Has said he wont be sharing his developments
56 logged actions since September '09
Been a mod the shortest
Guy is straight out of mod for now, he has the least activity and I've known him for the shortest period of time. I didn't approve of a deal of his posts I saw but I'm sure in the future if I see character change I'd love to have him back. Of course if that's what he wants too.
As a mod theo I'm sure you'd be great but Ragezone has been built on the free sharing of files to everybody. Did you buy everything you needed from Maiet? Did you create the game? I think you should be a lot more humble. Private servers have always and will always be "underground" we must work together and share what we have. We most definately shouldn't be fighting each other, attacking anothers server in my mind is one of the worst things you can do.
Rotana is the longest standing mod and I've been able to build a level of trust with him. He is far more active than he gets credit for and that is what being a mod entails.
What choice would you pick? ;)
Also if you think for a second my actions here or with any moderator on the team is based on "who I'm friends with" then you are mistaken. I have removed friends from sections before, even personal friends have been taken away from a section if I genuinley thought they were having a bad influence.
It's a case of what is best for the section and in turn what is going to help future development continue. I can see the pride you have in yourself and in your work and pride can be good! Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green? If so then your pride is the bad type :P
I don't care if the Moderator is a GunZ developer.
We need someone who can clear up the threads and looking for posts that doesn't belong in the thread.
Someone who can help starters.
Someone who can say that you did something wrong before banning.
Someone who's active so much as this forum is down, so hes more online than the forum is, just kidding lol.
umh I prefer Wesman222 I like his comments and hes not so selfish:)
Also Thievingsix should be a great Moderator, but don't think hes that much active.
The emulator is not open-source, a binary is going to be released (Look at the code I posted for further reason why it's not released). I understand that I keep my work private, but that is because I have to research a lot and I really don't want to spoon feed users the edits that make my server unique. My pride is fine, but my respect for the moderation team is very low as of these actions and the result they bring. Rotana has not been active at all and I was left to handle reports, spam, and advertising with no help at all. The reason why Dan even hired me in the first place was that Rotana and System32 weren't do anything and there was close to 15 threads of spamming and advertising. As I continue on with this, my only response to Rotana was calling him a hypocrite and reopening my thread since it was others asking questions about the development and myself responding. The result in me posting one private message was the usage for reply in this thread. I'm not here for publicity, I'm here to enhance and enrich others in the development of Gunz. I can agree that my source should be public, but if you look at the other projects you will notice no-one here can really commit to the project except for RoA, Guy, Lambda, and possibly PenguinGuy. Leaving it open-source will leave others to try to exploit and bring complaints to me to update the source ASAP.Has said he wont be sharing his developments
I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I'm not trying to be egotistical with this, but it's quite pathetic that I work hard since August and it's all removed due to small bickering (Two posts with little offensive material can get you fired now?). I hate to throw this wall of text on you, but I just feel less motivated to post my discussion with those who seek knowledge here knowing that the moderation team will be inactive again. I will admit to my wrong, all that I ask is that you give me a trial position and watch over what I do so you can be sure of what I do.
We can still contribute, but, from the way you're acting toward us, what's the point?
25 threads, each filled with a unique contribution.
On me "just being a critic" - yet again, look here for a list of contributions I made specifically on RageZone.
It is completely unprofessional - he told Theoretical, publically, "do your job", yet when we both respond, we're stripped of all rights without as much as a single PM?That is completely improfessional
Not really - as I told you in the PM, I was given mod by MentaL for my help by securing the entire community board against a future attack - I haven't abused it, I've cleaned up when I can, and I still contribute. Therefore, why should it be removed? It was an award.Guy is straight out of mod for now, he has the least activity and I've known him for the shortest period of time. I didn't approve of a deal of his posts I saw but I'm sure in the future if I see character change I'd love to have him back. Of course if that's what he wants too.
No - but the way I had my mod removed, after I continued to help out the community is a complete and utter disgrace. You continually state we need to keep this private, then you and Theoretical are discussing the removal publically in front of the whole bloody forum!Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green?
My mod was given for another reason, I may be somewhat inactive, but I earned it, therefore, I deserve to keep it.
Well, I've been complaining about both a lot but Phail changed alot and did the most things for Gunz development.
I see why he doesn't want his work to go public since most of us don't come close to him with programming skills.
It's sad to see a good moderator getting fired for something as little as that.
He has been working on Gunz since 2005 as far as I know and had a major influence on what we have today.
He's the person who used ASM for Gunz, made custom commands and dozens of more things we can't go without these days.
That Guy got fired is understandable, he was abusing powers and thought his opinion was more worth then a opinion from someone else.
Wow, good job!
Ego's getting Pwned Now.
NO MORE HATERZ. YAY. =P
Since you think I decide to keep everything private let me get some threads for you.
There's more but I really don't feel like digging them up.