GunZ section update - please all members read

**LegacyCode** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by exclamatio

In no other game do you see so much ego, so much senseless and childish bickering. I do not want to see this on the forum, what you do / say ingame is your choice, but here you must be civil.

2 moderators have been removed from this section and I will be keeping a personal eye over this section to make sure it stays clean and you guys can focus on development and actually enjoying a game.

I just want to give everyone a heads up that I will be mega strict over the coming days to weed out a bunch of the idiots here. The main problem is the people letting their ego get the best of them. Let me advise you now, your ego does not ever serve you, your ego serves itself and only itself.

In regards to the removed mods we get to see their true character now, were they here for a green name, or are they really here to help develop GunZ? Now we find out ;)

If you have any problems with the moderator team or any forum trouble in general please send me a pm and I'll get back to you asap. I cannot promise I'll reply the same day as some days I am inundated with work. I am also leaving this thread open if you would prefer to chat in public. (this thread will be locked eventually).

Thanks for finally doing something about this section i hope it goes back as it used to be in 2007 when there where nearly no showoffs / egoists.

**exclamatio** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by eele

Thanks!

I'm so happy you came here and gonna do the Rules:) So the threads will be clean again:)

I'll do my best and before long I'm sure I'll be looking for another permanent mod here to take over

Originally Posted by LegacyCode

Thanks for finally doing something about this section i hope it goes back as it used to be in 2007 when there where nearly no showoffs / egoists.

Yeah man me too, there is so much talent here that it upsets me to see ego's out growing any real skill these kids may have had. GunZ hasn't always had ego maniacs, only the kids who joined after it all started. Look at the good old players like kraise, they are respectful people.

Originally Posted by Kreain

Fuck no, Theoretical should stay as mod, Rotana should go.
GUY SHOULD ALSO BE HERE, Rotana just makes front of everybody, does nothing to help and has done near nothing ever since 2007

All mods go through stages of being active and not. If you were refering the dev work, you dont need to be a mod for that ;)

**ThePhailure772** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by exclamatio

I sent you a pm to keep matters private but I know see I cannot trust you to keep even a simple private message to yourself.

You were demodded for the bickering and nothing else, I have no evidence you had attacked anything since you were an RZ moda and that didn't come into the decision at all.

You don't need to be a mod to develop anything, the forum needs mods to keep it clean so people who want to learn can better get the threads they need without wading through a mile of kids fighting.

I'm sorry for the bickering it happens everywhere and we all know it. The fact that you demodded me for bickering to inactive moderator who came at me in an offensive manor and kept him as a moderator is just down right retarded. I'm sorry, but as you have seen through everyone else I'm the only one who keeps this section clean & a moderator whose first action in 3-5 months was to come in to me offensivly, close my thread, and then tell me to do my job is just down right improfessional.

Originally Posted by Rotana

This thread is closed, due the amount of spam. I will NOT clean it.

Theoretical Please do you're job in here

All other people stop flaming, and other shit , i will infract the next time. And i will infract for all repleys, so some people will be banned.

That is the direct quote from him, and he complains to me but yet he will do nothing of the sort (I didn't even get to see the pages of spam going on that day). That is completely improfessional as with you keeping him hired because he's your friend.

This is all opinionated I understand if you disagree with what I said, but I did take pride in my work and Gunz development.

~Theoretical.

**lxchadxl** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by Theoretical

I'm sorry for the bickering it happens everywhere and we all know it. The fact that you demodded me for bickering to inactive moderator who came at me in an offensive manor and kept him as a moderator is just down right retarded. I'm sorry, but as you have seen through everyone else I'm the only one who keeps this section clean & a moderator whose first action in 3-5 months was to come in to me offensivly, close my thread, and then tell me to do my job is just down right improfessional.

That is the direct quote from him, and he complains to me but yet he will do nothing of the sort (I didn't even get to see the pages of spam going on that day). That is completely improfessional as with you keeping him hired because he's your friend.

This is all opinionated I understand if you disagree with what I said, but I did take pride in my work and Gunz development.

~Theoretical.

true story. he may be an asshole at times but he knows what he's doing.

**Phoenix** · 15-12-09

Well Phail deserves another chance according to me. He's a great developer and after this, I'm sure he'll work more towards controlling people out here.

**TriumpH** · 15-12-09

so whit this settled, who do i ban?

**Phoenix** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by TriumpH

so whit this settled, who do i ban?

Lol that was pretty straight forward / to the point! Maybe exclamtio has got it settled. Lets look forward to a new - active moderator.
I haven't seen you post since I joined RZ.
Hi xD.

**exclamatio** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by Theoretical

I'm sorry for the bickering it happens everywhere and we all know it. The fact that you demodded me for bickering to inactive moderator who came at me in an offensive manor and kept him as a moderator is just down right retarded. I'm sorry, but as you have seen through everyone else I'm the only one who keeps this section clean & a moderator whose first action in 3-5 months was to come in to me offensivly, close my thread, and then tell me to do my job is just down right improfessional.

That is the direct quote from him, and he complains to me but yet he will do nothing of the sort (I didn't even get to see the pages of spam going on that day). That is completely improfessional as with you keeping him hired because he's your friend.

This is all opinionated I understand if you disagree with what I said, but I did take pride in my work and Gunz development.

~Theoretical.

Telling me someone isn't doing any modding when I have all mod stats from 2003 infront of me is a silly move, Rotana has been modding, like you and like guy. After I saw the arguing and recieved a deal of complaints via pm I wanted to sort it out myself asap because if left you 3 would only argue more, setting a poor example at best to our younger members.

As a mod if you disagree with another mods action you must go to a higher up and under no circumstances should it stay public. This is no secret and is often talked about in the staff section, it even has it's own sticky, which you either didn't read or plain ignored.

I'm sorry it came to this point, but what I do hope is that this is the lowest point. From here we go up ;)

As you are pushing the discussion (common trait of someone with pride) I'll let you see how it looks from my point of view.

After the e-fights had stopped I'm left with a section that has 3 moderators involved, all mods in said section too which is rare. So I weigh things up, I check your activity levels, I weigh up what I know about each mod and decide who is best to keep (a) For the GunZ section and (b) For the Ragezone mod team.

So I'm faced with the following,
(stats dont include infractions)

Rotana
2012 logged actions since August '08
Been a mod the longest
Been a member the longest

Theoretical
224 logged actions since August '09
Is a great developer
but
Has been known to attack private servers
Has said he wont be sharing his developments

Guy
56 logged actions since September '09
Been a mod the shortest

Guy is straight out of mod for now, he has the least activity and I've known him for the shortest period of time. I didn't approve of a deal of his posts I saw but I'm sure in the future if I see character change I'd love to have him back. Of course if that's what he wants too.

As a mod theo I'm sure you'd be great but Ragezone has been built on the free sharing of files to everybody. Did you buy everything you needed from Maiet? Did you create the game? I think you should be a lot more humble. Private servers have always and will always be "underground" we must work together and share what we have. We most definately shouldn't be fighting each other, attacking anothers server in my mind is one of the worst things you can do.

Rotana is the longest standing mod and I've been able to build a level of trust with him. He is far more active than he gets credit for and that is what being a mod entails.

What choice would you pick? ;)

Also if you think for a second my actions here or with any moderator on the team is based on "who I'm friends with" then you are mistaken. I have removed friends from sections before, even personal friends have been taken away from a section if I genuinley thought they were having a bad influence.

It's a case of what is best for the section and in turn what is going to help future development continue. I can see the pride you have in yourself and in your work and pride can be good! Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green? If so then your pride is the bad type :P

**Military** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by TriumpH

so whit this settled, who do i ban?

Hold your horses..lol.

**eele** · 15-12-09

I don't care if the Moderator is a GunZ developer.

We need someone who can clear up the threads and looking for posts that doesn't belong in the thread.
Someone who can help starters.
Someone who can say that you did something wrong before banning.
Someone who's active so much as this forum is down, so hes more online than the forum is, just kidding lol.

umh I prefer Wesman222 I like his comments and hes not so selfish:)
Also Thievingsix should be a great Moderator, but don't think hes that much active.

**ThePhailure772** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by exclamatio

So I'm faced with the following,
(stats dont include infractions)

Rotana
2012 logged actions since August '08
Been a mod the longest
Been a member the longest

As a mod theo I'm sure you'd be great but Ragezone has been built on the free sharing of files to everybody. Did you buy everything you needed from Maiet? Did you create the game? I think you should be a lot more humble. Private servers have always and will always be "underground" we must work together and share what we have. We most definately shouldn't be fighting each other, attacking anothers server in my mind is one of the worst things you can do.

Rotana is the longest standing mod and I've been able to build a level of trust with him. He is far more active than he gets credit for and that is what being a mod entails.

What choice would you pick? ;)

Also if you think for a second my actions here or with any moderator on the team is based on "who I'm friends with" then you are mistaken. I have removed friends from sections before, even personal friends have been taken away from a section if I genuinley thought they were having a bad influence.

It's a case of what is best for the section and in turn what is going to help future development continue. I can see the pride you have in yourself and in your work and pride can be good! Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green? If so then your pride is the bad type :P

Notice, since 08, check how much he has been around since I was a moderator. Now to continue onward, the ONLY time I attacked was a result in them spamming my site. It was the only way I could get them to stop.

Has said he wont be sharing his developments

The emulator is not open-source, a binary is going to be released (Look at the code I posted for further reason why it's not released). I understand that I keep my work private, but that is because I have to research a lot and I really don't want to spoon feed users the edits that make my server unique. My pride is fine, but my respect for the moderation team is very low as of these actions and the result they bring. Rotana has not been active at all and I was left to handle reports, spam, and advertising with no help at all. The reason why Dan even hired me in the first place was that Rotana and System32 weren't do anything and there was close to 15 threads of spamming and advertising. As I continue on with this, my only response to Rotana was calling him a hypocrite and reopening my thread since it was others asking questions about the development and myself responding. The result in me posting one private message was the usage for reply in this thread. I'm not here for publicity, I'm here to enhance and enrich others in the development of Gunz. I can agree that my source should be public, but if you look at the other projects you will notice no-one here can really commit to the project except for RoA, Guy, Lambda, and possibly PenguinGuy. Leaving it open-source will leave others to try to exploit and bring complaints to me to update the source ASAP.

I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I'm not trying to be egotistical with this, but it's quite pathetic that I work hard since August and it's all removed due to small bickering (Two posts with little offensive material can get you fired now?). I hate to throw this wall of text on you, but I just feel less motivated to post my discussion with those who seek knowledge here knowing that the moderation team will be inactive again. I will admit to my wrong, all that I ask is that you give me a trial position and watch over what I do so you can be sure of what I do.

~Theoretical

**Guy** · 15-12-09

Originally Posted by exclamatio

All mods go through stages of being active and not. If you were refering the dev work, you dont need to be a mod for that ;)

Right, but you've offended us by treating us like children and repeatedly claiming we are inactive, when System32/Rotana have less than 1 mod action a day - uh, what the hell?

We can still contribute, but, from the way you're acting toward us, what's the point?

Originally Posted by phoenix_147

Well yeah Phail did a lot of stuff. Agreed. But Guy has just been nothing more than a critic.

Nothing but a critic? http://forum.ragezone.com/search.php...&starteronly=1

25 threads, each filled with a unique contribution.

Originally Posted by Kreain

Rotana just makes front of everybody, does nothing to help and has done near nothing ever since 2007

Well said.

Originally Posted by phoenix_147

Thanks a lot exclamtio. We really really needed this. Mods like Phail / gwx0 never looked into spam threads, threads with abusers, threads posted in the wrong section. Phail atleast showed us his developments and kept us moving but gwx0 simply criticized things. I hope this will make a brighter change in the community. Once a again, thanks.

Yes, we're busy, but we still go through reports, and do what we can.

On me "just being a critic" - yet again, look here for a list of contributions I made specifically on RageZone.

That is completely improfessional

It is completely unprofessional - he told Theoretical, publically, "do your job", yet when we both respond, we're stripped of all rights without as much as a single PM?

Guy is straight out of mod for now, he has the least activity and I've known him for the shortest period of time. I didn't approve of a deal of his posts I saw but I'm sure in the future if I see character change I'd love to have him back. Of course if that's what he wants too.

Not really - as I told you in the PM, I was given mod by MentaL for my help by securing the entire community board against a future attack - I haven't abused it, I've cleaned up when I can, and I still contribute. Therefore, why should it be removed? It was an award.

Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green?

No - but the way I had my mod removed, after I continued to help out the community is a complete and utter disgrace. You continually state we need to keep this private, then you and Theoretical are discussing the removal publically in front of the whole bloody forum!

My mod was given for another reason, I may be somewhat inactive, but I earned it, therefore, I deserve to keep it.

**KillerStefan** · 15-12-09

Well, I've been complaining about both a lot but Phail changed alot and did the most things for Gunz development.
I see why he doesn't want his work to go public since most of us don't come close to him with programming skills.
It's sad to see a good moderator getting fired for something as little as that.
He has been working on Gunz since 2005 as far as I know and had a major influence on what we have today.
He's the person who used ASM for Gunz, made custom commands and dozens of more things we can't go without these days.
That Guy got fired is understandable, he was abusing powers and thought his opinion was more worth then a opinion from someone else.

**Cancel** · 15-12-09

Wow, good job!

Ego's getting Pwned Now.

NO MORE HATERZ. YAY. =P

**ThePhailure772** · 15-12-09

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