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03-18-2008, 10:00 PM
 
And it's early. It was spoused to be out on the 25th but instead it's out today a week early.

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Before you install make sure you have the most up to date drives.

Right now I'm backing up my information and will be installing Vista soon enough. I'll get back on any changes latter.

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Nice, an early release. Gotta love when that happens.
 
 
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Yea because of HdCp you have to Rip your Hd Dvds and make playable bootlegs . . . theres really no point to Hdcp cause anyone can copy anything with enough dedication and time . . . -_- lucky me I don't buy movies anyway lol. . .

Ps: there are DrM / HdCp cracks that bypass it with unsigned drivers. . . if you really wana play HdCp junk. . . seeing as no 1 can even play drm /hdcp garbage without upgrading to compliant junk . . . quite a stupid feature indeed.
There are also ways to manipulate and play content you ("own") and have the license to . .. its just a bit troublesome and clumsy the way Microsoft does it.
 
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Xenosaga21 View Post
There are also ways to manipulate and play content you ("own") and have the license to . .. its just a bit troublesome and clumsy the way Microsoft does it.
And under the laws relating to DRM in both US and Australia (probably others on the way), that is illegal. It doesn't matter if you own and even created the content, if you circumvent DRM you're breaking the law. Pretty shitty huh? :hmm:

Oh, and M$, Hollywood and their buddies have plenty of clout in the media hardware industry - already most manufacturers are bending over backwards to support their restrictions. :sad:

Also detailed in that (very long but VERY well-written and interesting) article is the fact that even if you don't use M$'s products, their behaviour will mean you pay more for hardware and pay in other ways too, to support what they're doing, whether you like it or not.
 
 
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HA
VISTA SP1 SUX
VISTA SUX
WHY U MAY ASK? WELL LET ME TELL YOU ALL
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Well i had vista and xp, i downloaed this file took around 30 mins. Tryied to install only thing took around 3 hours only to say Service pack did not install. I tried agian same thing happoned. Then it said my vista 30 day trial was out of date. I thought OMFG cos i dont have the vists install disk an more so i wiped it out having it take up 20GB so now i just have good old reliable XP what i had to install 3 times cos a windows file corruprt first time and then a driver file corrurpt, such as the USB so my mouse and keyboard wasn't working.
 
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Who View Post
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VISTA SP1 SUX
VISTA SUX
WHY U MAY ASK? WELL LET ME TELL YOU ALL
sorry for caps
Well i had vista and xp, i downloaed this file took around 30 mins. Tryied to install only thing took around 3 hours only to say Service pack did not install. I tried agian same thing happoned. Then it said my vista 30 day trial was out of date. I thought OMFG cos i dont have the vists install disk an more so i wiped it out having it take up 20GB so now i just have good old reliable XP what i had to install 3 times cos a windows file corruprt first time and then a driver file corrurpt, such as the USB so my mouse and keyboard wasn't working.
That just means your download was corrupted and you had to re-download it.
 
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Xenosaga21 View Post
Yea because of HdCp you have to Rip your Hd Dvds and make playable bootlegs . . . theres really no point to Hdcp cause anyone can copy anything with enough dedication and time . . . -_- lucky me I don't buy movies anyway lol. . .

Ps: there are DrM / HdCp cracks that bypass it with unsigned drivers. . . if you really wana play HdCp junk. . . seeing as no 1 can even play drm /hdcp garbage without upgrading to compliant junk . . . quite a stupid feature indeed.
There are also ways to manipulate and play content you ("own") and have the license to . .. its just a bit troublesome and clumsy the way Microsoft does it.
This has nothing to do with Vista SP1 so why bring up crap like this.

And it's because of people like you we have DRM and HDCP protected media. How about going out and buying things because that is what we should do. If we don't buy media then how are the people making it going to get paid?

Sure I don't pay for everything I have on my PC but that's mostly just music and it's free anyways over the radio. For movies and videos, that's a different story. Buy the damn things as they are not free. Same goes for games.

I do pirate lots of videos and games but guess what? If I like it I go out and buy it. Simple as that.

So stop your bitching about content protection as well it's needed to get pricks like you to go and actually buy the things you should...

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And under the laws relating to DRM in both US and Australia (probably others on the way), that is illegal. It doesn't matter if you own and even created the content, if you circumvent DRM you're breaking the law. Pretty shitty huh? :hmm:

Oh, and M$, Hollywood and their buddies have plenty of clout in the media hardware industry - already most manufacturers are bending over backwards to support their restrictions. :sad:

Also detailed in that (very long but VERY well-written and interesting) article is the fact that even if you don't use M$'s products, their behaviour will mean you pay more for hardware and pay in other ways too, to support what they're doing, whether you like it or not.
Of course if you circumvent DRM you will be breaking the law. DRM is there to show proper owner ship of the media hence the name Digital Rights Management.

If you circumvent it then it means you are participating in media piracy which is against the law.

Anyways... For my SP1 install. It does seem more stable. The only problems I've had with it is that Media Player 11 crashes randomly for no reason which is better then on my last XP install which had it freeze up the whole system. (that was very annoying) Also I forgot to activate vista right away before I applied the SP1 patch. Now this stupid "Evaluation copy. Build 6001" water mark wont go away.

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NoPeace - have you tried turning all the fancy vista crap off and making ir look like win2000 ? - and then was missing the thumbnail view ?
first time i done it i thought vista is bugged to hell...

to see thumbnails in windows classic mode you have to tick the thumbnails box in appearance settings...

i think this shows lack of refinement, deviating from the standard thumbnail feature being a gfx perk rather than a native os feature.

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Also I forgot to activate vista right away before I applied the SP1 patch. Now this stupid "Evaluation copy. Build 6001" water mark wont go away.
they should fix it in rc2 or the final release but i dont think you can apply same sp over even if its final version
 
 
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Nothings illegal until you get caught =/ blow it out your ass. . . hypocrites.
You can all say "Omg" pay for this pay for that but truth is at the end of the day your all proly running Pirated software on your computers right now . . . this forum has entire sections devoted to pirated server software and illegal software emulation . .. as well as threads on reverse engineering and modifying illegally obtained commercial intellectual properties.

So Until I see all the Illegal software Sections Deleted on this forum I really think that the Admins are complete Hypocrites . . . .
One Evil can not be Undone by the "fake good Samaritan typings" you all seem to enjoy spewing ;)
I am a realist . . . I say what I see and not the altered observations and beliefs others seem to take part in.

When Microsoft Rules the Planet and rapes you in the ass with fee's every time you turn on your radio . . . you will all be sorry.

Pirates keep the World Free. . . if pirates didn't exist Microsoft and the like would have a bitch fest of a time ripping every 1 off rather than wasting time and effort fighting piracy. . .


PS: for the Annoying watermark there is a Patch (non- Official) to remove it. . . . ;) (but for fear of another 10 infractions . . . I will no post a link) ;P so i suppose removing the watermark is now illegal to you all now also?


Double PS: I await the infractions and inevitable Ban. . .

3rd PS: Sp1 Is fine and Vista is fine anyone who complains about it just doesn't know how to rip out all the garbage. . .(like DRM)
 
 
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Well at least windows XP sp 3 was a success :) XP is still my best OS
ONE PROBLEM how do you download DX 10 for it??
 
 
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according to ms dx10 will never work on xp because of the way dx10 works. there have been about 100 articles online about this and about every single magazine covered dx10 about a year ago.

for now im saying dx10 will not work in xp, google dx10
 
 
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I think i read some people got it to work and fully support Dx 10 on windows xp . . . . but they have no Windows Xp Dx10 Compatible Drivers . . . for the Dx10 Hardware . . . . =/

Its not worth it to really put Dx10 on Xp . . . just use
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Quote: Originally Posted by omen View Post
NoPeace - have you tried turning all the fancy vista crap off and making ir look like win2000 ? - and then was missing the thumbnail view ?
first time i done it i thought vista is bugged to hell...

to see thumbnails in windows classic mode you have to tick the thumbnails box in appearance settings...

i think this shows lack of refinement, deviating from the standard thumbnail feature being a gfx perk rather than a native os feature.
What are you talking about? Why do I care about running it in classic view? One of the reasons why I like vista is that I like the GUI. Hell I haven't ran a PC in classic view since the days of 98 and even then I reskinned it as I just hate the looks of it.

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they should fix it in rc2 or the final release but i dont think you can apply same sp over even if its final version
Yet again you make no since.

You can apply the same SP over older versions. I did that from Beta 1 to Beta 2 to RC1.

And why are you even talking about RC2 or RTM? It's a simple bug that happens if you do not activate Vista before you apply the patch.

Vista automatically has that eval water mark there and typically goes away once you activate the OS. Though for some reason once SP1 is installed it doesn't remove the water mark. Simple as that.

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Nothings illegal until you get caught =/ blow it out your ass. . . hypocrites.
You can all say "Omg" pay for this pay for that but truth is at the end of the day your all proly running Pirated software on your computers right now . . . this forum has entire sections devoted to pirated server software and illegal software emulation . .. as well as threads on reverse engineering and modifying illegally obtained commercial intellectual properties.

So Until I see all the Illegal software Sections Deleted on this forum I really think that the Admins are complete Hypocrites . . . .
One Evil can not be Undone by the "fake good Samaritan typings" you all seem to enjoy spewing ;)
I am a realist . . . I say what I see and not the altered observations and beliefs others seem to take part in.

When Microsoft Rules the Planet and rapes you in the ass with fee's every time you turn on your radio . . . you will all be sorry.

Pirates keep the World Free. . . if pirates didn't exist Microsoft and the like would have a bitch fest of a time ripping every 1 off rather than wasting time and effort fighting piracy. . .


PS: for the Annoying watermark there is a Patch (non- Official) to remove it. . . . ;) (but for fear of another 10 infractions . . . I will no post a link) ;P so i suppose removing the watermark is now illegal to you all now also?


Double PS: I await the infractions and inevitable Ban. . .

3rd PS: Sp1 Is fine and Vista is fine anyone who complains about it just doesn't know how to rip out all the garbage. . .(like DRM)
You really do not know how to stop a stupid argument. If you want to keep bitching about how you should be allowed to take part in illegal activities then by all means do so and by all means I'll infract/ban you.

And the truth of the matter is that you should buy things. Simple as that. If people did that prices would then go down. It's because of pricks like you, the people who do have moral ethics have to suffer.

I do admit that I do have pirated software on my computer. And simply the reason for that is for trial purposes. If I like something and wish to make full use out of it then I buy it. If I don't then I don't see the point of waiting the money on it.

Once you get into the "real world" you'll soon learn that you can't get away pirating anything.

And your statement of pirates keeps the world free is just stupid. It's the total opposite. They are the reason why things cost more money then what they should because people need to make money in order to make the things you use.

Pirate cuts down sales which causes companies to raise prices to still meet their needs. If they can't meet their needs then what happens? They go out of business and you loose what ever it is you are stealing.

That is why music costs so much. That is why software costs so much. That is why games costs so much. It's all because of pirates screwing over the makers and they need to raise prices in order to recover their losses.

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Well at least windows XP sp 3 was a success :) XP is still my best OS
ONE PROBLEM how do you download DX 10 for it??
You can't. DX10 is intertwined with the updated Kernal in Vista so unless MS upgrades the XP kernal to the Vista one it wont happen. And what would then be the difference between the two?

If you got DX10 hardware that can run DX10 games then you should be using Vista. Simple as that.

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Oh well there isn't much different between the two indeed. Bioshock i cant notice the different and lost planet has very little change. Also I've stopped playing games until i finished my GCSE's and A levels
 
 
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Windows Xp will go the way of windows 98 and 95 . . . its just a matter of time . . .
Same even goes for vista. . . . all these operating systems have planned obsolescence built into them . . . how else would Microsoft keep selling you garbage . . . .

The fact is that if you want to run games in Dx10 you WILL NEED vista . . . .
All the new Hardware is built around vista computability. . . so soon using anything but Vista may actually LOWER your performance on non-windows or non - vista os . . . simply because of the fact that all the new hardware is designed to run on vista . . .

And in 2010 When Windows 7 "BlackComb" comes out you will again be obsolete and have to change your hardware, upgrade software / hand over a little bit more of you privacy to M$ along with your Wallet.

Just like Microsoft Planned, all along. :juggle:

I really wish that the majority of the content was coded for alternate operating systems . . . but that is not the case . . . so we are all stuck...
As for Service Pack 1 Im waiting for it to become more convenient to Slip Stream onto an ISO image. . . . or for a reliable torrent on a previously slip streamed Sp1 Vista ISO.
 
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by NoPeace View Post
Of course if you circumvent DRM you will be breaking the law. DRM is there to show proper owner ship of the media hence the name Digital Rights Management.

If you circumvent it then it means you are participating in media piracy which is against the law.
Incorrect.

Vista treats ALL HD content as 'protected', whether you created and own it or not, since it has no facility to validate such ownership. Microsoft has built in the assumption that all its users are criminals, and any attempt to freely manipulate/copy HD content (even user-created content) requires bypassing/disabling DRM, and this is breaking the law.

It's worse than you think. Read the article. :wink_2:

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Yey, Vista SP1 released finally. I'll be using this, thanks!
 
 
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SP1 takes up 7GB lol
XP wiv sp3 takes up 2GB
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Oh well there isn't much different between the two indeed. Bioshock i cant notice the different and lost planet has very little change. Also I've stopped playing games until i finished my GCSE's and A levels
That's because all the eye candy things in DX10 can also be done in DX9c. Only difference is that texture have more head room and you can apply more eye candy features without much of a performance hit under DX10.

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Windows Xp will go the way of windows 98 and 95 . . . its just a matter of time . . .
Same even goes for vista. . . . all these operating systems have planned obsolescence built into them . . . how else would Microsoft keep selling you garbage . . . .

The fact is that if you want to run games in Dx10 you WILL NEED vista . . . .
All the new Hardware is built around vista computability. . . so soon using anything but Vista may actually LOWER your performance on non-windows or non - vista os . . . simply because of the fact that all the new hardware is designed to run on vista . . .

And in 2010 When Windows 7 "BlackComb" comes out you will again be obsolete and have to change your hardware, upgrade software / hand over a little bit more of you privacy to M$ along with your Wallet.

Just like Microsoft Planned, all along. :juggle:

I really wish that the majority of the content was coded for alternate operating systems . . . but that is not the case . . . so we are all stuck...
As for Service Pack 1 Im waiting for it to become more convenient to Slip Stream onto an ISO image. . . . or for a reliable torrent on a previously slip streamed Sp1 Vista ISO.
You do realize that MS used to release a new OS every 3 years? Just with Vista they messed up and had to rewrite most of it's code and that's why it took so long to come out.

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Incorrect.

Vista treats ALL HD content as 'protected', whether you created and own it or not, since it has no facility to validate such ownership. Microsoft has built in the assumption that all its users are criminals, and any attempt to freely manipulate/copy HD content (even user-created content) requires bypassing/disabling DRM, and this is breaking the law.

It's worse than you think. Read the article. :wink_2:

Xenosaga, agreed 100%. :sad:
How is what I said incorrect? Especially when you reply with something completely different.

And Vista does not treat all HD content as protected. I have 30 HD videos on my computer that are not protected.

DRM is stored in the meta data of the file when it's created. There is where you specify what ownerships are allowed.

You do know this is also in XP? Just XP doesn't enforce it.

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SP1 takes up 7GB lol
XP wiv sp3 takes up 2GB
EDIT: VITSA WIV sp1 i mean
Run the 64-bit version of the OS and you'll loose 15 gb on the drive. But really that isn't an issue at all especially with drives now days.

And you also have to factor in that there is vastly more stuff included in vista that isn't in XP.

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Anyways is there some kinda patch notes / update that shows exaclty what this service pack updates? or is it just rather another collection of previous updates/fixes in one pack?
Is there anything radically new and exciting to merit the wasted time ? 0o I remember Sp2 On xp . . . sucked the first day I think Ima wait a little until the "fixed version" pops-up ;) . . .
 
 
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Hey, Im new here, firstly.

I got SP1, but I didnt really see much difference. Slightly less lag than before but thats it :(
Was hoping for some new programs or w/e at least.
 
 
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on my laptop it uses 6%-10% less ram with SP1
 
 
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