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    <3 :] Exodias is offline
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    Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?
    Is it for profit? Is it to be "special" and have one of the "only" latest version server around?
    Back when this community was way alive, people shared and contribute and help one another.

    Now, it's all close-doors and meme comments, offering little to no help.

    Take a look at the very few latest version servers out there, what's so special about them other than being the latest version?
    When there are many servers, all with the same source code, people try to stand out, so they add in their own touch. When there is only 1-3 latest version servers, they are too lazy to add custom content, instead they just offer "donation points" as rewards.

    I thought competition brings innovation? What ever happened to that?

    EDIT:
    I can't speak for myself since I'm a fking noob ass copy+paste skid, just putting that out there



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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Good question.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Honestly, in my personal opinion, it is probably due to hard work and not getting compensation for putting out your work out there. I tried to run a server myself and holy sh*t. There are tons of scripts, tons of bugs and tons of random issues that actually need to be fix. I think what is special about the latest servers is that, when you get your hands on the latest files of Maplestory (let's say), there are lots of stuffs to do and when you actually finish the fixes, why would you want to "share"? It would be, i guess guided by ego and opportunity to stand out, wiser to run the server uniquely by yourself. This is why i think contribution is slowly diminishing. There are some exceptions such as the creator of Swordie who shared a latest version of maplestory, but even then, the server still has bugs. And by all mean, if he fixes all by himself, there is no incentive to "share". I recently thought of: "why not people ALL work together for the latest server?". But that is a selfish and delusional thought because in my heart, i want to leech from the people who made the server. They literally poor the shit out of their soul and then people will just snatch the sources. It's just not possible anymore. I wish it was possible... I truly wish i can still snatch the latest server and just run it with friends...It's selfish as fuck...but whatever man. In the end, it is fucking harsh, but we have only ourselves to rely on.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevinzhu12344 View Post
    Honestly, in my personal opinion, it is probably due to hard work and not getting compensation for putting out your work out there. I tried to run a server myself and holy sh*t. There are tons of scripts, tons of bugs and tons of random issues that actually need to be fix. I think what is special about the latest servers is that, when you get your hands on the latest files of Maplestory (let's say), there are lots of stuffs to do and when you actually finish the fixes, why would you want to "share"? It would be, i guess guided by ego and opportunity to stand out, wiser to run the server uniquely by yourself. This is why i think contribution is slowly diminishing. There are some exceptions such as the creator of Swordie who shared a latest version of maplestory, but even then, the server still has bugs. And by all mean, if he fixes all by himself, there is no incentive to "share". I recently thought of: "why not people ALL work together for the latest server?". But that is a selfish and delusional thought because in my heart, i want to leech from the people who made the server. They literally poor the shit out of their soul and then people will just snatch the sources. It's just not possible anymore. I wish it was possible... I truly wish i can still snatch the latest server and just run it with friends...It's selfish as fuck...but whatever man. In the end, it is fucking harsh, but we have only ourselves to rely on.
    What's weird is, there are so many open-source projects out there (not related to MapleStory) that are HUGE and those people probably put in YEARS of work.

    I guess it makes sense when you think about the mentality of the people that plays MapleStory. Usually they greet you with "cc pls", you will RARELY see anyone willing to share a map with you or be friendly unless it benefits them.


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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    I'm also a little salty about a lot of people actively ignoring the AGPL license of OdinMS :(

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    I think a minor reason, that has to do with the overall sluggishness of the private server community, is that private servers have grown to be much less competitive as the official server expands its content rapidly and actually took a few steps to address its outstanding issues. If you have played the official servers in recent years, most private servers out there just feel bland and uninteresting.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgd View Post
    I think a minor reason, that has to do with the overall sluggishness of the private server community, is that private servers have grown to be much less competitive as the official server expands its content rapidly and actually took a few steps to address its outstanding issues. If you have played the official servers in recent years, most private servers out there just feel bland and uninteresting.
    Yeah, most up-to-date servers, even older version servers do not offer much custom content. The only thing you'll find are free NX, higher rates, and more convenient NPCS. It's still pay-to-win even in a private server with a lot of servers offering donation point shop to get items


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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    I think the community got real slow when localhost.exe was no longer a thing and people had to turn to redirectors. Suddenly the knowledge to create one was just not very common for most average users and people didn't really release things consistently. Obviously if you browse the history there were a lot of contributors over a longer period of time but it seemed like a lot of methods to redirect got patched by nexon and suddenly people didn't want to release their methods. So now without redirectors and such the versioning gap got really big so we saw like v83 -> v92~v95 -> v117 -> 148~v155? -> v176 -> v203?

    Now to update to later versions of the game you could imagine the amount of content has increased so almost everything needs to be restructured to make it work and its just simply a lot of work. The people who have the latest version prob don't sniffi everything from main server but instead find the AoBs in a unpacked/dumped/devirtualized clients but again to obtain the LATEST version only a very few know. And even if those people released it nexon would prob just patch it and the whole cycle starts over again. It's just a lot of work really... You could try updating from v83 ->v95 for science and then you'll truly understand how much work it is to do... Also encryption changed in like v196(?) and blah blah blah again not everyone understands this.

    In the future I would def love to do open development again. Good examples would be like MoopleDEV and Swordie but I lack a lot of knowledge to make a redirector or get a dumped client.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Short answer: Most (not everyone..) of the "devs" are selfish and want money, if they fix something or create something new, they will likely keep that for themselves and monetize the project in their own servers, other kind of "devs" will sell their source for money, which is okay if the code is entirely theirs ( in some cases, some projects originally made for the open source scene *cough*). But yeah, is MapleStory right? thus no one really owns a single piece of the code being used here since the game you are trying to emulate is under the intelectual property of Nexon, legally speaking lol.

    Long Answer: There's a lot of open source projects out there, with a lot of people contributing, (and honestly, this forum might not be ALWAYS the right place to look for them). Usually, when you are a developer, discussing these topics and teaching others who are willing to learn and collaborate on projects is great! but then you have the leechers, and others who have an ego through the roof and tend to discourage you a lot, i mean damn it, there's even a lot of "hackers" in the MapleStory Pservers scene and i haven't seen a single individual sharing an efficent piece of code to fight against them in old versions of the game! (just take a look over the top MS Pservers, with awesome server-side protections, which are probably using a source that was previously open for free to everyone to use and collaborate...), so then you stop sharing your efforts with others and you close yourself to the rest since you don't see any other interest from the community than to obtain the final result easily, quickly, without effort and without learning or sharing anything in return from the process itself. I used to have fun and contribute with issues reports to HeavenMS development some months ago, working with @Ronan was awesome and the process helped me to learn a lot about Java and other languages. Having a server up for testing propouses, weekly reports on issues, trial an error, is a really fun thing to do as it makes you feel part of a great team working towards the same goal. If you are looking for something like that, i suggest you to search open source projects (GitHub for example), where the ultimate purpose is not to beat other server owners, get fame or easy money, but simply to learn and have fun with the process of creating something great!
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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Most of the devs now contribute their work with each other and help each other out if the server needs help with one thing or another. People still contribute fine, just not in public. With constant v83 servers popping up lasting for 1 month with the full purpose of cash-grabbing donations and overall downgrading the quality of the servers available I can see why some devs just got tired of contributing in public when they gain nothing much out of it

    The magic of sharing is in my opinion not gone. it's just no longer public, but with each other.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Pretty simple, people take stuff released publicly, develop on it but then refuse to contribute any of it back. Even worse, they take stuff and then remove the credits to pretend that it's their original work. Why contribute publicly if the community just degrades and profits off of your work?
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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Snakeday View Post
    I'm also a little salty about a lot of people actively ignoring the AGPL license of OdinMS :(
    To be fair, no one bothers reading what it's about / etc and to begin with all of this isn't exactly legal so there's no way to even enforce the licensing.

    As for an open source development project, when you're still young and don't have bills to pay / etc, it's easy and fun to contribute things because you like doing it. But as most people get older, money plays a role because when you start working, time = money, and most people won't want to share what they created / made for free, especially when they spent a lot of time on it.
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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerixe View Post
    To be fair, no one bothers reading what it's about / etc and to begin with all of this isn't exactly legal so there's no way to even enforce the licensing.
    You should at least try what permissions are granted to you under what conditions when you acquire something. There are also super easy to understand summaries available (like this one https://tldrlegal.com/license/gnu-af...-v3-(agpl-3.0) )

    OdinMS is a fully legal clean room implementation, the license is very much enforceable. There is no reason to believe otherwise.
    Of course international license enforcement is pretty difficult.

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    @Snakeday
    It might also be that most people think the odinms people are no longer here (this isn't even true though!). Because they are gone, they no longer care to follow the license.
    Co-owner of MoongraMS v88 (April 2010 - Jan 2012)

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    Re: Why do you guys think people stopped contributing here?

    Newer versions are too much of a pain in the ass, and older versions are bland and won't have users.

    Strong catch22 for the Moople community.

    Also many of us have moved on with our lives and applied our skills in other fields. Mushroom game money is cute, but no one has time to be butt-fucked with DMCA laws (yes, they still issue those) for $3,000/mo side hustle.



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