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Private server GMs do not get paid. If they are, they are greedy as duck.
 
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I don't think anyone involved in pservers get paid directly by any income/funds like donations (unless the person who handles that is pocketing some of it after expenses), other than selling their work/server name or make some money from ads. So yeah GM'ing is basically unpaid volunteer work :p though most of the GM's I've seen act more entitled than Mayor Bloomberg, frightening!
 
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The only people I pay are Coders and my WZ Editor
 
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The only people I pay are Coders and my WZ Editor

WZ Editing shouldn't be paid, but coder could be paid, under the condition that they are actually good, and are updating or something.
 
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I did for a short period of time when there were very few GM's. It gives them incentive to work harder.

To give it some context, around 80-100 online (November 2010), 4 or 5 GMs.

Would that open you up to legal action? I dunno, Nexon would probably find some obscure text in their TOS and nail you with it.

OT: Don't really see why you would pay a GM. You can barely break even these days.
 
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This question has probably already been answered, but let me put it all into one comment.

No GM's do not get paid unless they're greedy. The person that usually gets paid is the Coder of the server, if he does a good job he usually gets a cut of the donations. The GM should only be there to help out with the server, and have fun doing it, not being a greedy idiot asking for money.
 
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Why would you pay someone to code YOUR server.. LOL It's your server you should be able to code and know what you are doing by now. Unless you run into a situation where you are stuck and the only way to get it fix is if you know someone that knows more than you and you really cant get it fix by any other means.
 
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Even though most servers don't pay their GMs, it can't hurt if you want a more professional atmosphere. Some companies pay forum moderators (although most don't) so I think of this as a similar position.

I'd pay if I ran one. xD

xArmani: I think Nexon would most likely get mad at people paying coders for a site then GMs :p Coders make the servers better than GMS and offers more features.
 
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After reading this last night, we had a bit of a discussion in IRC about it. Paying your staff can vary as can how you pay them. It shouldn't ever be expected that you're paid, however.

Things to consider:

- Workload
- Time spent working
- Contributions to the server

When I worked for a retail MMO as a GM, none of the player staff were contracted by the company in terms of an actual legally binding contract (Chinese company). They did employ a couple of GMs who were paid RL salaries, the player staff were paid in in game currency. The flaw to this was people became aware that player staff had certain perks and advantages, therefore people would try to apply simply because they wanted to get something for nothing. Thing was, as player staff we were responsible for a lot of the events (as well as hiring other player staff). We would brainstorm in staff Skype, plan the whole thing out, then we would submit the finished concept to the admins who 9/10 times would implement exactly what we proposed. I don't know if that was laziness on their part or not; the MMO I GMed on wasn't the only title that the staff oversaw and often some player staff would also moderate on multiple games, although this was discouraged as much as possible. While the MMO I GMed on was relatively hassle free, there was a large number of conflicts between player staff on the other games; when you factored in that a lot of these people were adults, it was pretty depressing. Being a GM is a paid job for the majority of online games; people in this thread seem to forget that. Even if you're running the server as a hobby, there is still the fact that if you're going to pay peanuts, you often get monkeys. If someone's GMing is 2-3 hours a day, then no I don't think that's worthy of payment. If they're putting in 8+ hours, then yes I think it is. If you think they're worth being on your staff, then surely their work is worthy of being paid in some way?

On a more MS related note, I recall on dMS, the staff were paid in NX. Every month we would receive an NX allowance. It actually worked out pretty well as the "pay" was weighted according to position. Back then we had Admins, Devs, Head GM, GMs, Interns, Head Mod, Moderators, IRC Mods and DJs. As obtaining NX was via voting, there was never really much that we were losing out on. The amounts we got weren't super amazing so we had an insane advantage (I still used to donate regularly to the server every month, even as staff), but it was just enough to show appreciation.

As long as the server comes first out of donations, I couldn't care less where the rest of the money goes. There is nothing wrong with rewarding those who positively contribute though and I have more respect for an admin who rewards his staff as well as himself than one who spends it on Doritos and porn for himself only, particularly if the staff are doing most of his work for him.

Let's not forget guys, time is money.
 
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