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    It's not Fiesta anymore


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    This is something that I have been seeing for a decent amount of time, and its hugely spreading among all new servers. I just don't understand what people are doing, it has become that people who launch servers seriously don't have any idea on how to make a game, the whole purpose became instead of a making a challenging game, became just about making money, making things retarded and just type "No p2w", when its actually p2w. Its like saying All rights reserved and actually have no rights at all.



    I legitimately don't know whats the purpose of servers like this, everything in the game is being given at level 1, what am i supposed to do in the server? just walk around? okay maybe MMORPG chatting scene is big, but ofc only if it actually had a big community and when you somehow got bored of farming or leveling or whatsoever, but there is nothing to do nowadays, You don't spend shit, everything is given. For all these years, its common and well-known that servers have been copying other servers but with logic, maybe a little tweaks from here and there, but they can take the main idea. But nowadays, its just like copy-paste, and just dont give a fuck, as long as i have a store in my game and have "No p2w", im all good. This seriously needs to end.


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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    Krum I totally agree, 99% of servers that are online right now are total trash. Not even worth my time to go look at the list on ToG, to even get some examples. If I want to play a shit server, I will just stick to Gamigo. All these kids think they can just read the development forums, and have an idea of what it takes to make a good server. At the same time, it is also the player, as they cry, and bitch, and moan about not having glitches like weapon stacking, or HP/SP stones. The demand for shit servers is there. However, you have people like me, who play on the original CN files on basically extreme mode, and I would rather play on my lil test server alone, than play on a shit server with other people. The whining needs to end, or devs need to start ignoring the players more. Yes bug reports are to be read, taken into consideration, tested, and so on. As a person who works on the files myself, I get really annoyed when I see private servers giving into every beckoning whim of a player. It is pointless because players will always bitch. The server team needs to remember if the player really doesn't like it, they will go find a new server. All this horse shit needs to end. The creativity of Fiesta is literally dead. This game has reached its max on what we can do with it. Mainly because people would rather use the busted ass 2011 files, than learn how to work on the CN files. It is called being lazy. Which most server teams are exactly that. They would rather copy from other servers than create new content. It is sad really. Until people realize that things like laziness, incompetence, half ass work, using busted content, and the sheer lack of any thought is killing this game, nothing will change. This game has a end date. It is coming faster than most of us can see. People claim retail is alive, but truth is, it is dying as well. NA has 2 dead servers, 1 mostly dead server, and 1 active server that is loosing people by the minute. So Yes it is all coming to an end. Then we have greedy fuckwads like Stu, who instead of wanting to see the community progress with newer files, they use the newer files to cheat,lie, and scam people. So I say this, "Let it fucking die, This game is worthless, with worthless people, making worthless servers. Even retail is worthless trash."

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    Odin files are just pure shit, CN is better, but people like you said are just too lazy to fix the stones. And in my perspective, if Stu kept the files to himself, it doesn't even make a difference now, because him keeping them private, it might and im saying it might have a little chance of making people make something creative for their servers. But as we know it, these developers are just too lazy to even change the order of the Store NPC items, so you can't really expect anything from them but mostly anyways who ever create something, he just cares about credits way more than caring about actually using the feature. So let me take credit for something we did, me and Dec actually got the stones working in the CN files, but we dont have the full time or resources to invest them in a server. And to people who played Outspark back in the day when you actually had to do work hard to actually achieve something, it was fucking awesome. Now they give you money to go afk in their games to just count players online, and they give you money that you don't even spend, you cant buy stones, skills, and all items are practically 1 copper. So gg.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    I actually think it's quite the contrary, at least for private servers. I haven't been around in the Fiesta scene for some time but I'm surprised at how little has changed. Even though back then all we had was 2008 files, I remember Dusk was the only server with 100 skills and refused to share. I'm not particularly talented (I know basic java at most) and seven years ago I was 16 so I couldn't figure out how they had gotten it to work. Just recently I got a server to work publicly for the first time (which will probably never be connected to anyways). Right now I'm working on trying to remove all premium content from the game and trying to move it to ways of being obtained in game that make sense. Going to try moving extenders into potion crafting and charms to scroll crafting, stuff like that.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    I'll let one dev (once I'm bored of playing with Pancho, my monkey) make a sever with my files. Who should it be? Vote.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Gruntilda View Post
    once I'm bored of playing with Pancho, my monkey.
    I hope that monkey bites you, and rips your face off, then skull fucks you in your eye socket.

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    ExtrinsicStudio™ Myth is offline
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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    Better to ask the community why they're still willing to donate to these servers, they're the real reason that the pattern/mentality sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    Better to ask the community why they're still willing to donate to these servers, they're the real reason that the pattern/mentality sticks.
    I wonder this exact thing all the time. I think they are just settling tbh. You can only pick from the choices, if 99% of the servers are shit, than your choices are pretty limited.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    And the community is now so used to the whole no-challenge type servers that there is literally no point in creating a server that requires players to actually put in time to be good, cause people apparently don't want that anymore. At least many servers are moving away from the whole pay to win thing, but unfortunately now it's just login-to-win, which is depressing to see.

    Also, though it would be fun to have the latest files, it wouldn't change shit. This pattern is obviously working and I don't think the top servers will change it anytime soon.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    Yeah, I would agree with everyone in this thread. This game / "scene" is getting old and I honestly don't see it progressing.

    Recently I was planning out a server idea and while I was working on it in my spare time here and there I was thinking of a simple question; Will anyone actually even play and enjoy this? Not that what I was doing was the end-all-be-all or the greatest, by no means. Just honestly thinking would anyone even play this. Is it worth it?

    I feel like there are too many servers available and constantly coming up, and going down. I'm sure players aren't like "Fuck yeah. This is my 27th server I've played... let's do this!". So wouldn't blame them at all if they didn't feel like trying out a new server.

    The points everyone made about it being too easy are true as well. Sure it's a private server so I'm giving players some easy (sometimes free) obtainable premium items and increasing the rates. This isn't official / retail, let's have some fun. But that should be to an extent. Not everything handed out at level 1 and finishing all content provided in an hour(s).

    New(er) files would be awesome, sure. But I personally think It wouldn't make any difference at all. It will still be in the same situation as it has always been in. Just the same thing over, and over again. So the CN files are just fine in my opinion.
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    Idk why you stick around and whinge about the problem, it's been like this for many many years now - it's not new. No one has tried to fix it or do anything about it, they just come to good ol' ragezone and right up a meaningful post.

    While Stu is under gamigo's paycheck with direct access to any new updates files, etc there is not going to be any progression file wise, why should he? You all just talk shit about him because he doesn't do hand out's lmao. Don't think we have any hidden gems in the Fiesta community (unfortunately) capable of completely emulating the game with new files, etc. Many have tried and many have failed.

    So leave while you're ahead, lot's of awesome games out there that have everything there just begging to be used but no one with skills to use it. Go be the top dog of that area. :) Lot's of good times in this section and in game however all good things come to an end. Maybe the Pserver scene will get a surprise from someone who's just not showed himself yet, who knows.

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    I have the mind set that there hasn't been any real development in the Fiesta scene for 4-5 years. I've had this mind set since 2011/2012.

    Don't misinterpret that as me saying there is a lack of talent, because there really isn't (I can list a lot of people). At most I think we've all just gotten a little bored of the game and left it to whoever can edit an SHN file to dominate.

    People who beg Stu for hand outs are just lacking any sense of logic, like, really?
    Stu used to be my worst enemy, but now has by far the most respect from me out of anybody in this scene (ok, he's tied at #1 with a few others- but forget that).
    Why? Because he's actively progressed this scene by miles, whilst those begging have just degraded it.

    I'd like to see some weird new features added to Fiesta, I often dabble myself (still have a client hook that fixes stones coded on this computer). But it's not enough, we need an active community again- or else we all just get bored.

    Sorry, I'm typing this half asleep, shouts out to Yaz.

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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    What I've noticed about this scene is that back in the days (2008-2011) when we still had to work with Athens Files, the P-Server Scene was at his peak. Then Dusk came online with the first new files and everybody wanted those. Then after the Dusk/Odin Files were released, it only took like half a year and you could see that the servers got more and more similar to each other. Stu gave the community what they wanted and after that point some other devs released their stuff aswell and the people started to think that now they get spoon feeded all the time.

    Even the help section got loads of threads back then, because people were to lazy to think and fixing easy bugs themselves. I don't know why but the only good server with Odin files that i can think of was falou. It was something different a lot of bugs were fixed and it had its own content. People saw the success of Falou. After their files finally got released Falou Files were the new basic for every new server so they didn't had to put work in their files, since a lot of content is already in those.

    Then the HK/CN Files got released and that was the part were the scene died completely.

    My Point is that Athens Files were actual "P-Server Files" you could do a lot of fun stuff with them it wasn't to buggy when you were able to fix the ones who existed and they just felt different to the official server. People still had their own ideas back then especially Terra/Cry/Tramanto/Selesnia.

    ALSO a very important point why Fiesta isn't Fiesta anymore is because of the community. It gets worse every year which pasts. Everyone tries to find a gembug, staff members pushing players who are close to them & the community gets more and more unfriendly. If someone doesn't like another one they will binn them out so far if it's possible.

    This Scene is completely dead and it doesn't matter anymore on how hard every dev tries to make a new server, it may won't get the attention it deserves. It all began with the release of the odin files. Even the 2k16/2k17 server suck because the owners don't change anything compared to the official servers. Fiesta is dead and it won't recover in the future. Stu's decision to not release the services of newer files is the correct one for me.
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    Re: Its not Fiesta anymore

    The "Popular" servers all follow the same shit.
    Everyone started using shivtr forums, and now people just use discord.
    Anytime anyone does "make" a website, its that stupid landing page using responsive boot strap.

    Any server you cannot Cap on in less than an hour, doesnt hold peoples attention.
    Any server that a mage cannot tank on, is considered shit.
    Any server that doesnt put up a forum with a 4 month count down before "launch" has no player base.

    I have also noticed no new players are in the Fiesta PS community, its the same groups and guilds server hoping.
    Really getting sick of seeing "Custom Content" on everything.. wow you added a mob to a map its normally not on and re-colored it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeJigsaw View Post
    Really getting sick of seeing "Custom Content" on everything.. wow you added a mob to a map its normally not on and re-colored it.
    Atleast if it was a decent coloring, it would be atleast called a try, but someone made the Psyken Dog a fking Eggplant, wtf kind of coloring is this? its legitimately a fking eggplant.




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