616 (yes 616) the number of the beast?

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    Sorcerer Supreme darko6 is offline
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    616 (yes 616) the number of the beast?

    anyways i was on another forum reading someones crazy apocolyptic crap because the date is almost 6/06/06 (some said (6/6/6) but anyways and then some people said "didnt they recently discover it to be 616?''

    anyways, read for yourselves

    taken from http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134

    Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

    A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

    Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.
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    "This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

    The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.

    Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616.
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    "This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Dr. Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

    The fragment was part of a hoard of previously illegible manuscripts discovered in an ancient garbage dump outside the Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Although the papyrus was first excavated in 1895, it was badly discoloured and damaged. Classics scholars at Oxford University were only recently able to read it using new advanced imaging techniques.

    Elijah Dann, a professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, said the new number is unlikely to make a dent in the popularity of 666.

    "Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it.
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    "It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."

    The book is thought to have been written by the disciple John and according to the King James Bible, the traditional translation of the passage reads: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

    But Dr. Aitken said that translation was drawn from much later versions of the New Testament than the fragment found in Oxyrhynchus. "When we're talking about the early biblical texts, we're always talking about copies and they are copies made, at best, 150 to 200 years after [the original] was written," she said.

    "They can have mistakes in the copying, changes for political or theological reasons ... it's like a detective story piecing it all together."
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    Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name, she said.

    "It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."

    Revelation was actually a thinly disguised political tract, with the names of those being criticized changed to numbers to protect the authors and early Christians from reprisals. "It's a very political document," Dr. Aitken said. "It's a critique of the politics and society of the Roman empire, but it's written in coded language and riddles."


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    Newbie ShadowsRage is offline
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    Actually ya my friend told me about this, except he said 661

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    Captain of the Universe Rishwin is offline
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    what happened to 666?

    /cbf'd actually reading all that.

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    /\/\@573|2 NoPeace is offline
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    And this means what? 666 sounds better so end of story. :tp:

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    Grand Master Smo is offline
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    Some people need to get a fucking clue. Seriously. It doesn't mean jack shit that the date is soon going to be 6/6/06, does it? Nothing miraculous or spectacular is going to happen, is it? Don't think so. Fuck me I hate religion so much.

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    30 Seconds. Genryu is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smo
    Some people need to get a fucking clue. Seriously. It doesn't mean jack shit that the date is soon going to be 6/6/06, does it? Nothing miraculous or spectacular is going to happen, is it? Don't think so. Fuck me I hate religion so much.
    Lol,go Smo go Smo go Smo :P

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    dAI for president. MentaL is offline
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    Its all numbers, numbers mean nothing.

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    Master Jedi Vendaku~Metal is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentaL
    Its all numbers, numbers mean nothing.
    Numbers mean nothing? :P. Religion means nothing. The bible is just a excellent peice of literature that's it. Besides i think this says it all. http://forum.ragezone.com/outerworld...er-109017.html <-- The thread i posted awhile back. Personally it makes abit of sense. =)

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    Captain of the Universe Rishwin is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
    http://forum.ragezone.com/outerworld...er-109017.html <-- The thread i posted awhile back. Personally it makes abit of sense. =)
    lies, its all trash lol :P

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    Master Jedi Vendaku~Metal is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by rishwin
    lies, its all trash lol :P
    Lies...? Trash...? I OWN JOO NUB! lol <3. Jokes. Anyways like i said when i posted that thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
    Weather it's true or not is irrelevant. It's the point it's trying to get across

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    Grand Master Smo is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
    Numbers mean nothing? :P. Religion means nothing. The bible is just a excellent peice of literature that's it. Besides i think this says it all. http://forum.ragezone.com/outerworld...er-109017.html <-- The thread i posted awhile back. Personally it makes abit of sense. =)
    The problem is that religion means too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smo
    Some people need to get a fucking clue. Seriously. It doesn't mean jack shit that the date is soon going to be 6/6/06, does it? Nothing miraculous or spectacular is going to happen, is it? Don't think so. Fuck me I hate religion so much.
    perfectly said.

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    F**KIN LEGEND! exclamatio is offline
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    lol very interesting

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    Watching from above Negata is offline
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    I rejoice whenever I see funny stuff about the not-so-great bible. In your face wannabe badguys. :P Now you could tell any mouthing badass who has 666 tattooed on his arm "dude, wrong number".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smo
    Some people need to get a fucking clue. Seriously. It doesn't mean jack shit that the date is soon going to be 6/6/06, does it? Nothing miraculous or spectacular is going to happen, is it? Don't think so. Fuck me I hate religion so much.
    w0rd...

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    Watching from above Negata is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smo
    Fuck me I hate religion so much.
    Why hate it?

    I let it coexist, thinking the less fortunate need something to rely on (in lack of self-awareness) aswell.

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    Grand Master Smo is offline
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    I hate it because it has given people an excuse to fall back on when they can't justify their own actions. It's promoted weakness in people and given them romantic power which they've used to kill people and force others into submission. Religion is mass produced lies which have been imposed on billions of people in an effort to control them, why else would so called commandments (rules, in actual fact) be created?

    I hate the fact that religion is more of a cult than a commonly shared belief. I mean dude, look at the war with Iraq - all founded by differing cultural beliefs instigated by strong religious influences. How can you not hate something that leads to that?

    I don't expect others to see things the way I do, and I don't blame them for it but that's the way I see things and I think the world needs to grow some bit, fat dangly testicles instead of being pussy-whipped and hiding behind a 'god' to protect them from consequences.

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    Master Jedi Vendaku~Metal is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Negata
    Why hate it?

    I let it coexist, thinking the less fortunate need something to rely on (in lack of self-awareness) aswell.
    lol. So the less fortunate can't feel totally useless in their pathetic existance?

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    Sorcerer Supreme darko6 is offline
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    maybe in a perfect world..........there would be no need for religion...... Think about it. People usually pray or something when they're in trouble (im basing this statement on generalizations) so in a perfect world, there would be no need to confide in a god or something for false hope... bleh

    i dunno but anyways it was pretty well stated my Smo that some people need to get a clue.

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    A man of no consequence LordDemonMan is offline
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    bleh , again some religious freak storyes , i don't believe in such crap , all this 666 thing , and? dad's having a car with 666 in its number , nothing happens

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    Infraction Banned Josh is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smo
    Some people need to get a fucking clue. Seriously. It doesn't mean jack shit that the date is soon going to be 6/6/06, does it? Nothing miraculous or spectacular is going to happen, is it? Don't think so. Fuck me I hate religion so much.
    IF 616 was true, what about 6/1/06 :1:?

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    Grand Master Smo is offline
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    ...what?

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    Grand Master xeLJoYo is offline
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    *wonders why people even bother to spend time on this*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MentaL
    Its all numbers, numbers mean nothing.

    err wrong numbers mean something , words is that mean nothing .P beside its pure fantasy eheh its like believing in Dracula and Transilvania :P

    [quote]
    I left alone my mind was blank
    I needed time to think to get the memories from my mind

    What did I see can I believe that what I saw
    That night was real and not just fantasy

    Just what I saw in my old dreams were they
    Reflections of my warped mind staring back at me

    Cos in my dreams it

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    lol this is gonna really fuck up metal lyrics.



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