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very nicely put dontonberry in both of your posts. Also, earlier i wasnt just talking about clinton , i was talking about all media in general.
Anyways as don stated, it is good to take a look at this topic from both sides and then come to your own conclusions, and no, watching millions of anti bush/anti us/conspiracy/ anti whatever movies will help you come to a knowledgable conclusion......beh oh well, ony like 2-3 people will actually take this into account.
You guys need to calm down about this. Yelling at each other doesnt fix or do anything. i dont know what to believe or anything. They could of done it to put fear in our eyes so we would be blind of something they are about to do. Or it could of been the other people because their stupid. Idk but I do know that they are going to war now just fo oil because I believe the war is over.
Well you need to care about the world just not to much or you will break your head ><
I just live my life nothign gets affected for me so yeah ...
I have been reading these posts and am disguisted. First off, going against the conspiracy theory idea by saying its a conspiracy to cover a conspiracy is a dying cliche.
Second off, why would the US government want to destroy the World Trade Centers, if it was for money, than they could have found a better way. If it was to spark a Middle Eastern war for oil, there was a better way(we could have just run in). Justifying your actions is no better than acting on them. I understand that some people say thats just wrong, and that you shouldnt just run in and invade the privacy of terrorists when it doesnt affect us. Its sad that people think that way, and somewhat annoying.
Third, the government LOST money with this entire ordeal. Victim's families were paid, we have to rebuild the towers with better material, and more expensive materials. We have to fight a very expensive war.
Fourth, the video is stupid. The first quote is a genuine skull splitter. I am not going to take the word of anyone from the press that says the plane didnt look like a plane. I am wondering what the records were doing of people boarding the planes in computers. I am wondering why some people saw windows on the planes, and some didnt. I am also wondering how someone concocted a story about their husband calling them while on a plane, and it just so turns out that their husband is dead. If 9/11 was setup, why would people sacrifice there lives for a corrupted government? With all the hate towards the government right now, I just dont see it.
I find it pathetic that the video was even made. And I feel sorrow for the people that wasted an hour of their time.
Also, if people havent noticed, deceit for the better of the people, by the government is not a big thing. Its usually the government being corrupt to gain money rather than LOSE billions. You cant bring up governments like Rome, France, or even a time in Great Britains history because they didnt, and some still dont have all of the ideals that we have in our government. Even though Rome was a very corrupt government(evident by the many civil wars), it wasnt setup to help the poor more than the rich.
If some people would actually LOOK at the pattern of history and actually READ those wierd pieces of paper with informative writing on it(books), you might figure that out.
One more thing. "I hate Bush" is turning into a horrible cliche. Most people that say it have nothing to back it up with. If you have something to back it up with, make sure its factual and you can prove it. Otherwise you need to just sit down and find a hobby. People like Michael Moore have a nack for getting people onto his side with an eloquent use of words. Think twice about what you say, and then smack your head when you notice how dumb it is. You could also get a tape recorder, say it, play it over and over again, and feel stupid :O
The rantings of me are now over....
You can flame this all you want, I could really care less. I am not calling anyone stupid(telling you to figure that out on your own), I am calling you ignorant. I am going to start a poll to see what happens, hehe.. should be fun. You might see how ignorant people can be.
wow...I'm speechless. The video just seems...so authentic it hurts to think about. I believe the fact that it's scientifically impossible for the WTC to just...collapse like that from jet fuel that, for the most part, burned from the outside of the buildings. You can clearly tell from the video that there were bombs planted in them.
This is certainly something I'm not telling my kids I went though. This is just fucking embarrassing
I'm with Don and saden99.
It makes no sense for the US Government to do something like that. I accept that people have their own opinions, but so much information (especially on the Internet) is skewed and filled with some sort of bias. As I said before; people love a conspiracy, and when something big like this happens, it's only human nature for these type of theories to arise.
I'm not saying the US government was involed (or did I? :p) I like facts every now and then, but I still believe the middle east did this. I also think Usama Bin Laden was and is a fugitive in the middle east, his reason for wearing things he should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydra
Well now days we dont know what to belive its liek the rumours of alaieda sneaking a lot of nukes into the usa which has never been proven we will never know unless it happens.
As for the twin towers they are gona and thats it now nobody cares enymore the only sad thing is the poor ppl in it if it was just building exploding nobody would care but I still dont belive the pentagon was hit by a plane and never will I had a doubt when I seen the news about the pentagon being hit that was a wingless plane that hit the empty office part of the pentagon.
The government would practically do anything to gain as much oil as possible, especially the start of defeating terroism//evil countries the start of controlling oil in the future of its nation....Quote:
Originally Posted by RsX
You know Bush is just a damn puppet, and the goverment gave like 700 million+ dollars to Saddam or the other guys and shit like once in 1990 somewhere and again in 1996 or so I heard, I wanna hear what you heard tell me!
hey if was me I would demand the goverment to put more info out for the public... There is a lot of mystery in the whole things and this source aint tampered with as most videos here I checked them my self such as cnn and if you look close there right you can see odd things like that.
But lets just ask for one thing from USA goverment to release full tape at the gas station and that fact was true why did they only release 5 frames?? and not even one frame of the plane its self...
It's odd and I feel even though I don't think usa is that nutz they should be held responisble for not providing enough evedence on things like that.
Maybe I'm nut but I think the whole http://www.letsroll911.org/ getting very big I have a feeling may hit news and maybe get around world quite fast...
yeah the gulf war :pQuote:
Originally Posted by genryu
snow from yesterday dudes , it was all USAs machinations from start
Wow.. very enlightening.
There is a 2nd edition of this movie, explains things more clear :)
I just seen a documentary where bush is assisting to a satanist organization Oo
Duno if its faked but it looks so real.
lol..wow this is so dumb its funny
is it funny? i dont really find it funny...explain yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by bfpri
its funny because of common sense .. the united states would not take the time to kill hundreds of people and damage our economy..thats just extremely stupid. and besides bin laden hasn't exactly denied his responsibility...this is just one of the stupid theories going around..
Utter stupidity fills within this thread. Many people would just jump on any conspiracy theory 'cause they don't like the Bush administration. Which is quite ignorant people--
What would be the point in doing this? What's the point in completely destroying two buildings and injure your own people, spend millions in re-building and all of that sweet goodness when 9/11 wasn't even tied in with Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Al-qaeda did. Hasn't Osama and Al-Qaeda claimed they were the ones responsible for the assault anyways?
The war in Iraq was to get Saddam out of power and free his power, and mebbe finish the job his father had failed. This ongoing assault on each other has lasted over 15 years. It's basically guerrilla warfare, they attack, we attack, they attack we discuss what's necessary for disabling them and then try. Bush just wanted to finish it all so there's no more of this killing going on.
Saddam killed over 300,000 southern Iraqi's, why would we let such a cruel dictator remain in power for so long if he's killed so many of his own people? Saddam owned all the oil in Iraq and could take it away from us in a heartbeat. That was dangerous to the Europe as well as the U.S. So many countries agreed that Saddam was a huge threat to them and decided military action was the last resort.
When our inspectors were inspecting in Iraq for nuclear activity, Saddam gave 'em the boot. And told them they couldn't search. Now isn't that awefully suspicious? If he knows he's got nothing to hide why did he kick our inspectors out? It's not hard to transport things people. The W.M.D.'s might be in Iran somewhere, yes; Iran is the one threatening almost EVERYONE with nuclear missile strikes. Bush went to Congress and asked if he had a legitimate reason for invading and they agreed that he had a legitimate reason for a war.
The war is over; we're securing Iraq--not fighting people off. In the beginning there were massive terror strikes and the terrorist were killing U.S. soldiers as well as their own people. Now there's very few strikes, but because the golden masque attack there have been many more--Bush is letting them chose the path they want, they can leap into a huge civil war killing thousands--or they can chose a safe, working democracy. And evidently they're undecided lol.
It's disgusting what these terrorists will do to end freedom, it really is. The U.S. is the Christian Capitol of the world and Muslims absolutely hate Christians, the 9/11 terrorist attack was an all-out attack on freedom and Christianity. After all the people Al-qaeda has killed you actually think it wise to not invade Aphganistan after so many families had been essentially ruined by their loss? You guys have no feelings. Bush wants to stop these bitter acts of selfishness and prevent another terrorist attack on the U.S. We can't really afford another terrorist attack, not after Katrina.
There is no logical reason why the U.S. would harm themselves and their economy. There is no reason for it.
Oh and, need I remind you of Pearl Harbor? FDR used that to shoot into WW11--and I don't hear people screaming "Conspiracy!" Do you?
Part of it was a government operation.
We all know damn well Bush read the report, so obviously he took the chance, let them do it, proclaimed "The "War" on Terror", and started bombing the middle-east.
*Edit*
And HaPPy ZomBie, incase you didn't know, every one of the hijackers of 9/11 were islamic, and we all know islam detests america, americans, christians & jews.
It was never about hating freedom, the middle-eastern wars & terrorism attacks have always been about religion.
Even the attacks in Europe.
And what's your point? Did I not say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuckstick
Well one thing that is suprising is that they knew that the attack was gona happen and they ignored it thinking its rumours :/
And I dont know if bin laden realye xists has enybody realy seen him? Only on tape we dont even know if he realy existes he could just be a creation. But the Bin Laden family is the Bush family freind just osama was excomunicated but the familly is actualy still suporting him. The bin ladin familly is one of teh richest famillies in soudy arabia.
Some m8 of mine send me the link a couple of weeks ago.
There is some truth in there lol.
How the towers went down wasnt natural :P so you think what you think but I'm sure theres more behind it
there is NO way that the tremendous expertise with which the attacks on 9/11 were carried out by some stupid overenthousiastic Arabs. Cause those true AL Qaeda people are plain stupid.
They would NEVER have the means to put bombs throughout the entire WTC unnoticed, and launching a cruise missile to hit the pentagon.
And for you people who think the government would have no reason, watch the movie, or better, watch the newer edition, which Lightwarrior was talking about. This version is a bit more thorough.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
If you haven't watched it all way through u shouldn't even be posting here.