hmmm :eh: lol okOriginally Posted by Akaruz
hmmm :eh: lol ok
without hope what do we have?
i see everything in life the same way as i see my job, if i can teach 1000 kids and out of that 1000 i only make a difference to 1 kid then it was worth it
if he can write these books and reach even a few people then think of the knock on effects of that
i know the dicussion is about Williams but when people talk about the gang he created being a problem, the gang isnt a problem if nobody joins it
people have to have a reason to join and that has to be looked at
people need to be educated that the reasons for joining the gang are outweighed by the reasons for not joining
akaruz excellent points about saying if he killed my family how would i see it, well if i knew 100% it was him then id probably have killed him myself asap, however if it had got to the point where the law is dealing with it then that is too late.
he had already been sentanced to life inprisonment, so there it was too late for him to be killed, leave him to rot in jail. if he didnt "see the error of his ways" as people seem to put it (im sure he knew the error before he killed anyone) then just that, leave him to rot.
however he did, and he was able to start preaching and teaching, so be it, let him do that from his cell. which is exactly what he was doing
it may not bring my family back but fuck me it could save someone elses.
Erm.. did it not say that Arnold tried to help him beat the death sentence? I thought the article exclaimed that Arnold professed of his 'change' in the "system"; writing "childrens books" and how gang life is not worth it.
you kno what this is the law this is the punishment for what he did no matter what he realized or no matter what he couldve done it should in no way change the punishment he has to face for these crimes god damnit lol
LMAO.. Hello, he's getting PUNISHED, and the whole point of him getting PUNISHED, is that they want people to not forget the PUNISHMENT so that they don't do the same crime. Fuckin ignorance of people still amaze me.."If they think they succeeded by killing him in getting people to forget about him, they have done just the opposite," said Barbara Becnel, his collaborator and most vocal supporter.
People in Europe need to grow some fuckin ballz. It's like we kicked em a bit back in the 1700s, then the Germans chopped them off all together.The execution also drew fierce criticism in Europe, where politicians in Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.
"Schwarzenegger has a lot of muscles, but apparently not much heart," said Julien Dray, spokesman for the Socialist Party in France, where the death penalty was abolished in 1981.
You're all forgetting one major key point here. This guy, whether or not he killed 4 people, is (partially) responsible for one of the biggest gangs around, the Crips. Do I even need to say how much better cities like LA alone would be off if the Crips were never around, or any other gang like (as big as) them? How many people would still be alive if it wasn't for him founding a gang like that? This guy knows what he did, which is why he didn't fight his punishment when it came. Yea, it might be sad that he realized he could've lived a better life, but he knows his wrongs, and he'll get judged if there is a heaven/hell thing.
omg yay another logical person
wow it seems you didnt read my response at all
next time i will remember to use shorter words and include pictures drawn with a jumbo crayon, people like you have no place in this discusion
Good, because maybe then I'll have an epiphany of some sorts, and suddenly start thinking like you.
Yes, I realize your side of the discussion, now you 'realize' this side. I've seen LA, walked down some of it's streets, and it'd take one hell of an epiphany before enough of those kids/"men" start reading books and learn that gang life ain't 'all that'. I don't even think the thought of being executed would scare them, much less life in prison.
Yes, it'd be nice if more and more kids in LA and other cities started reading books like the ones Williams put out, discouraging them from turning to gang life. But he did his job, he had over 20 years to put out those books, and he did. What else was he going to do? Hell, I no doubt think he wanted his own execution, just so the family members could feel that much better.
As for your comment on whether or not I belong in this 'discussion', that's just your opinion. Sure, you could ban me from this thread, delete my posts in here, etc... But whatever. I could care less, nothing but opinions in this thread anyways.
Last edited by Garvonis; 14-12-05 at 11:00 PM.
you dont need an epiphany u need manners
as for the threat of jail/execution not scaring ppl ur right, and there lies another problem, the justice system doesnt work, like i keep saying people need to be educated, every1 assums the kids joining these gangs need to be educated on why gangs are bad, thats wrong, its too late for that already
its the people in power who need educating, if the ghettos and slums wernt as they are then it wouldnt be half as bad as it is
the problem goes much further than a guy starting a gang, or a kid joining it
I dont care what a Frenchie say , they already have enough problems , that comments we all know its a political thingie
Just to remind you before the US , etc etc all the ones that went to the New world were Thiefs murders etc etc
but returning to the true discussion its a discussion in the US , specially in California , SO its their problem , any discussion outside those borders are stupid
Its like what Exclamatio says , he was already with the sentence done , being killed or not its not the point , but i wouldnt release someone just because he made some nice books etc etc ( they even thought about giving the nobel prize to him :P
and he was already Punished if i'm not mistaken he already got killed :)
so it seems you didnt bothered reading the rest
err so many words to say "Next time I will make you a squetch" :P but still i think i'm gonna quote you lol
ok i live in Canada here and im gald someone like that got the death penaltys frik we let out dammed murders and rapeists out of god dam day passes to place, even the high risk ones... i wish we had the death penalty some of those bastards deserve more than death. he founded a gang notorios for killing and rapeing, just because he said he saw the light doesnt mean that those familys forgive him for thier loss, a loss that must be numbing to them. the worst thing is the protestors, why are you protesting this death when you all calling out for bin ladens head on a pike, its hipocritical to do that. yes he was bad and yes he may have seen the "light" but that does not erase his actions or his past, i bleave you take away someones rights a humanbeing you do not deserve any yourself for that act. here in canada its like the fraking mass murderer has more dammed rights than the slain our whole justice system is screwed to hell, its nice to see one actully working for a change.
Hey, how'd you know my last name was French? Lmao, I'm no "Frenchie," but I disagree with what you said, about all the people coming to the 'New World' were all thiefs and murderers. But I guess that's just what they're teaching outside the US. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your education's wrong, I'm just saying it's interesting the difference in different country's history books.
You're right, this is a Cali problem, so why would anyone outside California give a damn about this? Unlike 99% of you guys, I actually have to live in this god forsaken state.but returning to the true discussion its a discussion in the US , specially in California , SO its their problem , any discussion outside those borders are stupid
I don't need either, though I already have manners for the most part. If by a lack of you mean the whole Europe needing to grow some ballz, then whatever. I already retracted that statement (of officially right now).you dont need an epiphany u need manners
Amen to that. I for one would love to see a few people I know get elected into some seat of power where they could really make a difference. All these old people, for all we know are all senile, are running our country. And most of them don't even have real diplomas in the required fields! (Something I read a few times from various news resources.)its the people in power who need educating, if the ghettos and slums wernt as they are then it wouldnt be half as bad as it is
the problem goes much further than a guy starting a gang, or a kid joining it
arnold did the right thing, he killed off the leader of the crips, and because of them my brothers football league is now completely gone...
i hate those stupid blood/crip wars (live in L.A county)
i also think that arnold was jealous that tookie had bigger arms.
New Orleans is not like the average American city. Out west and in the north the projects (as we call slum/ghetto) is not full of blacks. Latinos also make up a large portion of it and so do the whites. Yes you heard right. Whites are there also.
I really hope you don't belive that crap about only two choices of getting a job or joining a gang. That is utterly rediculous. Every African American has a choice. Either becomming a black man/woman or becomming a "nigger." The black man is just like you and me. A normal person. What the "nigger" is are the people that forms gangs.
The "nigger" is a person who thinks that the world owes him everything. They belive that since their ancestors was slaves / people with limited freedom they are entitled to retribution for the mistreatment of their ancestors. They go off and expect everyone to kiss their ass for it.
Since the normal everyday person is agaist this idea they form gangs. Within thoes gangs they commit chrimes because they belive they are above everyone else. That since we don't give them what they want then they are entitled to it for them selves.
They have this attitude that everyone should wash their feet and if they don't then fuck them. Where as the black man / woman is completely different. They are the ones that sees no point in it. They are the ones that gets out and does something for themselves. Gets them selves out of the shithole they are from. Trust me on this I have heard this first had from many black men / woman who come from the projects.
A second thing is every ethnic group forms gangs. The latino's form their own. THe asians from their own. And if you can't belive it the whites do it also. The only difference between them and the "nigger" gangs are the fact that they are in opposition of the "nigger" gangs.
That's an important factor. If you know how it is over here in the states. People enter gangs at young ages. It is not common to see 7 and 8 year olds in gangs. You may think I am lying but that is the damn truth. They may not be "full" gang members but they are already in the process of becomming one. Which happens around the age of 12 or 13. So his message doesn't really do anything since they wont be able to read it before it is to late.
I agree fully on that. If you take lives then you should have your life taken. If you are raped then you should also have your life take and being raped. Which the raped part is for sure since in prison rapists are people's bitches.
Quoted for the truth. He knew what he did and accepted what had to be done. He could have fought to the very end but he didn't. What would better get his point across of not to join a gang then to show them what will happen when you do.
Not everyone will think as you do. Now it is time for yourself to open up to the other sides of things.
The thing is not the government's fault as your are blameing it on. The youth who joins gangs refuese to be educated against it. The problem lies with the people in the suroundings. Their families and neighbors. They feed the youth with the negativity agaist other people and like anywone would. They grow up beleive it to be the truth.
The majority of people that came to the New World was people who was escapeing religious persuction.
He was trailed and convicted. He got his sentence and that is how it is to be done. Sure you can change your ways and become a saint. It doesn't change the fact of what you did to get there in the first place. Which the punishment that you are given should be carried out.
NoPeace - out
oh im more open then most m8, those comments were becasuse he came in here being an ass, so i treated him like one
oh i agree there with saying it is the individuals choice, but when you have so many people all around you doing this shit and you live in those conditions like u say they get fed with negativity and that is what shouldnt be allowed to breed, if it wasnt for the bad conditions then it wouldnt be so bad
my town is mixed with whites blacks asians etc and the only gangs as such are chavs, white kidsbrought up wrong where the problem lies with parenting.
we dont have any gangs because there isnt any percieved need for them
he was sentanced to life inprisonment, shoulda been left at that really
people cannot look at the gangs as they are now and expect to stop them because you will only be fighting them, you have to go right to the beginning
you cant take a cancer out little by little it keeps re-growing
if you are taking weeds out of a garden you cant just cut them down and expect them to be gone, the roots are still there
you cant just arrest gang members and expect the gangs to stop
the problem isnt one man and he should not be persecuted for that, the problem is the conditions allowing for these gangs to start
ultimately an individual has the choice whther to join or not, but when all the signals are pointing towards joining the gang for the easy way out, joining the gang to get what u want, joining the gang for protection then there is little to no chance of it ever stopping
Williams was just 1 man but if his books and teachings could have reached even one person in power then fuck maybe they could have changed something, sure his books are still there but now there is no chacne of him pushing the message, his other books will never come to light.
most gang members cannot read or write like people keep saying, here was 1 who not only could read and write but had a chance to educate, that obviously was never even taken into consideration
Do some more research. He was sentanced to death in 1981 for the murders he commited in 1979. One thing about the United States. Once you are convicted and givin a punishment. You cannot be reconvicted for the same same crime nor recieve a harsher punishment. The only thing that can happen is a parden which depends on each state. Wether it be via jury or via governor.
So the fact stands. He was convicted and sentenced to death in 1981. Then 24 years latter it was finally carried out. It was determined fit at the time he should die. Then 24 years latter the governor determined he has no reason to escape that fate so he died.
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