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Oh I know it was thought up to save me but we both know I'm a prick who'd close a door on you while in a burning building just to see you break it down at ramming speed XD, it would be pretty epic to watch and you're spear manouver would not be in waste because you'd build up enough momentum trying to break my ribs in the crash that no door would stand a chance. Get it, stand. ^_^
OT: do you drink coffee/tea/redbull and/or take medicines of any kind?
Don't drink coffee or tea, tea very rarely. Redbull I used to drink all the time when I was a postman but I probably haven't had a can in like 2 years. I take medicines, I'm asthmatic so I'm on inhalers, I'll also take paracetamol and antibiotics as and when needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameingskull
My point is proven, you take drugs and in some cases you need them. That doesn't make them bad, hell even heroin isn't bad simply because you can't give a substance a moral alignment so to speak. The ones who are bad are the people who perpetuate the negativity of drugs and by that I also mean the actual negativity i.e. my previouse example of heroin which is lethal and messed up but in reality blameless as it is the manufacturers and suppliers who are perpetuating it's negativity within the world aswell as the smackheads who self perpetuate it by taking it.
Drugs aren't bad or good, people are.
Also, I have a shitty job now which means I wont miss the next rageparty ^_^
Drugs are bad, m'kay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameingskull
If you had to go on a date with one of these ragezone gay bois, who would it be and what would you do with them??? O.O
Ermmm non of them are up to my required standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilkitten
Everyone knows you have a mad crush on Gohan!Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Any compound that can kill you is a murderer, and therefore morally bad. Just like junk food can kill you if you eat too much, it's known as bad for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameingskull
Been a while...Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Wow, I'm seriously laughing my ass off. I mean holy shit, this is awesome stuff.
I know the organization in question all too well, I know both people who have worked there and people who received helped there (both successfully and unsuccessfully). In my area we got 2 organizations, De Hoop (The Hope), a Christian extremist organization and Bouman GGZ, one that has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Both deal with addicts. I worked at the latter for obvious reasons. ;)
De Hoop is a messed up organization, they are completely build around God, God will help you get clean, everyone that goes there is forced to go to church, be part of prayers 3 times a day etc.
Criticism from that government had not much to do with facts, it had to do with the fact that 2 of the 3 parties from that coalition were Christian parties.
Christian organizations and parties are the last that you want to believe when it's about drugs, their views are limited and only based on the believe that drugs are bad.
But yeah, De Hoop are religious nuts, I know lots of christians, real ones, that simply refuse to work their because of their views.
At the end of the day there has been so much research about how we should deal with drugs, and there is a reason we've stuck with it. Our last government wanted to limit the availability of weed to people with a weed pass (basically cutting out tourists etc), this of course under the pressure of 2 christian political parties, studies were done about this and showed that it would increase criminal activity while not reducing the usage. Now that we have a new government sitting, all of that has been canceled again.
In the end there are always negative effects, I've never disputed that, but like I said, our weed problem is much smaller then in the UK, which is backed up by numbers Annual cannabis use by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is our system perfect? Nope, but like I said, it works better then your system.
Whatever, that's your opinion. I like the way our system works, and I don't believe that legalization will be good for the UK. I've already said, just because it works in The Netherlands does not mean it will work in the UK. I have more experience and insight into the UK drug culture, which is what I'm basing my opinion off.
And like I've said, you've got nothing to compare those experiences to.
Like you, my work is drug related, we've both got first hand experience with people who use it, my experience is that the weed problem is not a real problem at all, obviously it could be better, but there is not much that can be done since there will always be problems. I know also about the problems in the UK, mainly in Scotland (which sees the highest usage in the UK and possible Europe as well), it's a problem that won't get solved with your current system.
In the end you say your system is better without having experience with a different system, while my experience might be lacking compared to yours in the UK, the simple fact is that pretty much the whole world (read: their governments) thinks the same way as you do, this has given me more information about their thinking, then you have about our thinking.
In the end the numbers don't lie, the fact that weed is a much bigger problem in countries such as the UK and US, should give you an idea about how well you're doing.
And as for liking your system. How can you like it? You've got so much dealing going on with no chance to even remotely slow it down, you are completely powerless, I don't see what's to like about it. If you made it legal your government would get more money that could be used to track down real criminals, instead of all this wasting time to catch weed suppliers.
You have no experience of ours. Just because you think you do and you have read stuff online doesn't make it true. I'm the one going in through peoples doors at 6am in the morning, I'm the one preparing case files against dealers and I'm the only one here who understands the problem as it is in my country. I've never professed to knowing how it is in The Netherlands, as I have no experience of it. I'm saying what I believe works for my country, whereas you're going on about how you think you way is better for your country, with no data or experience to back it up. I've never said our way is better, you're just making that up. I said what works in another country wouldn't necessarily work in ours.
I've already said, if the UK made it legal they would still be illicit drug dealers due to our culture. You keep skipping over that part time and time again.
I like it because if you break the law, you get busted. I believe cannabis causes a lot of problems down the road, with it being linked to mental health issues and how it's prevalent use is in the unemployed. It makes you lazy. Before you bring up alcohol etc, I agree with you. If alcohol was discovered today, I'd be all up for having it classified as an illegal drug. I don't really like any substance which impairs a persons reasoning and behaviour.
Here's my question
Not sure if this has been asked or not but what made you join RaGEZONE? Also, games do you play in your free time?
Ah but here is the difference, I have worked in your country. I have worked with both people who have used drugs and with those who are helping them, I've talked with them and I've learned from them. This doesn't make me an expert, but it sure as hell gave me a good insight in how things work in the UK. I know that if you would work 2,5 months with our police force that you would learn a lot about how things work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Sad part is, you know this of me, hell I've even already said this in this topic, but you either don't pay attention at all or you do not find this relevant at all. The simple fact remains is that I know a lot more about the UK then you do about the Netherlands.
So here I am, I have experience in my own country, I have experience with laws that most of the governments in the world frowns upon*, I have experience with addicts and I have experience with your country.
You have experience with your country and with addicts.
*This creates a lively debate in my country and we are constantly show through TV, internet etc how governments such as yours act on these problems.
While this does not proof I'm right, this does throw your argument out of the window that I have just as little experience as you do.
And again, the only mental health issue is schizophrenia, it doesn't cause it but it can trigger phase 2 (which will be awakened no matter what anyway)
Gohan you fail to miss the point. I am not saying your system does not work, I'm saying it would not work in this country. Two and a half months does not give you a detailed insight not only into our drug culture but our unemployment culture, our free health service which deals with these issues etc etc
There is more mental health issues than that, our mutual friend Luke will testify to that. He came off it after he became so paranoid and having panic attacks for no reason at all.
We're talking about the system in my country, not yours. I appreciate it works in The Netherlands, I don't believe it will work here. So in that respect I have 24x more experience than you if you consider I've been an officer dealing with these issues for over 4 years.
I joined for Mir2, a man named DeadlyEagle introduced me to it. We were friends of the Phoenix server of official Euro Mir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takeoverkyle
Games? Starcraft II, Planetside 2, Magic the Gathering.