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File is back up Junkers please do not deal with me any more if you must get another mod to do so your too baised towards me
GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE THAT'S THE FACT SAY ANYTHING ELSE YOUR RETARDED
Robert please make a video showing me that a gun kills someone cause i bet you cannot show me any video or proof a gungrew arms and legs went out and shot everyone dead i think you find its the person behind it retard. A gun is a object it can not do things on its own saying it can is basicly saying knives kill people , if i was to punch in your face can i then say hey it was the hands not me i did not want them to they just did wake up and start smelling the roses
Re: Deathcad.org shutdown your thoughts on the liberator 3d gun
And I'll just keep removing your link and if need be, close your thread. If you have any complaints, feel free to contact a super moderator. Be sure to link this thread and make it clear what your complaint is.
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GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE
You can always rely on people defending guns to say this. It's like a motto or something.
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check my pms mental msg me back saying its there.i told him if its not ok to delete thread so kindly get out off your high horse peace dont like it take it up with mental as he seems to have no issue with file being there dont you think after msg him he would of removed or close or told me so in msg GOOD DAY
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advocaite
File is back up Junkers please do not deal with me any more if you must get another mod to do so your too baised towards me
GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE THAT'S THE FACT SAY ANYTHING ELSE YOUR RETARDED
Robert please make a video showing me that a gun kills someone cause i bet you cannot show me any video or proof a gungrew arms and legs went out and shot everyone dead i think you find its the person behind it retard. A gun is a object it can not do things on its own saying it can is basicly saying knives kill people , if i was to punch in your face can i then say hey it was the hands not me i did not want them to they just did wake up and start smelling the roses
Guns kill people, that's what they are designed to do. It's the primary function, a knife is designed to cut things, a car is designed to go from a to b, a hand evolved to pick things up and manipulate objects. Think about it, what other purpose does a gun play except to kill or seriously injury another animal? This is what I mean about being critical thinking, you have simply not thought about gun advocates arguments. Yes the object might need a user behind it, but that is like saying a car isn't a car without a person to drive it, it's a flawed argument.
Put it this way, if humans had evolved to have a poison sac and a stinger, which only purpose is to kill animals, I would be protesting to have it be removed from birth. That would be comparable to a gun, a fist is used for other things. Also if you killed someone with your fist, frankly you'd be arrested and punished all the same.
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I'm going to chime in here before the thread is locked down. I see where Robert is coming from and he has some very valid points. I but I disagree with him whole heartily.
First off, you're making it seems as if every tom dick and harry will be buying a 3D Printer simply to make these guns. You'd save a hell of a lot more buying one from a store. Also, this is a FAD, it's in the news for what ever reason. Like everything else. It'll die away and people won't give two shits about 3d guns, because simply put. In the long run it'll cost you a hell of a lot more to keep making them then it would to simply buy a real gun.
Also 3d guns are NOT illegal at least not in the US. That was the main topic round these parts.
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Regarding the actual gun, am I the only one that think the whole "it has metal parts" logic is pretty flawed?
I mean, if it's a plastic gun, it's reasonable to think that it can be disassembled and put together fairly easily, so in that case you would be able to hide some plastic parts on different people, you could even put parts in your ass if you wanted to, not like they're going to find it.
And the metal parts can really be consealed within other things, such as a mp3 player or w/e. So really what this does is making it easier to bring a gun to an aircraft.
Really, I don't see the need people have to create plastic guns, there's no real application other than "it's cool" and the fact that you want to have it. The self-defence thing doesn't really go for this because a traditional gun is most likely more reliable and actually a better tool for this, and I don't think this is a gun for hunting either.
This also has implications outside of the US. In countries where we don't hand out guns like candy, this makes me slightly nervous to make it available and possible to make guns easier.
I agree that it's a cool thing, and for gun-nuts in the US it has to be a very fun thing. Being able to build your own gun and all, but is it really worth compromising the safety of others? What IF someone manages to use this on an aircraft? Would it have been worth it?
PS. I really don't care about people having them, all I'm worried about is the fact that you can smuggle it onto planes and other applications. It's not like it was hard for people to get guns in the US anyway. All this does is make the guns harder to detect....
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Apparently it has already been successfully smuggled aboard a train by reporters who wanted to see if they'd get caught. They didn't bring a firing pin or any ammo for obvious legal reasons.
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We did not attempt to smuggle the firing pin or bullet for safety and legal reasons, but small metal items could be easily concealed.
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I'm going to chime in here before the thread is locked down. I see where Robert is coming from and he has some very valid points. I but I disagree with him whole heartily.
First off, you're making it seems as if every tom dick and harry will be buying a 3D Printer simply to make these guns. You'd save a hell of a lot more buying one from a store. Also, this is a FAD, it's in the news for what ever reason. Like everything else. It'll die away and people won't give two shits about 3d guns, because simply put. In the long run it'll cost you a hell of a lot more to keep making them then it would to simply buy a real gun.
Also 3d guns are NOT illegal at least not in the US. That was the main topic round these parts.
I guess I see a future where everyone will have a 3D printer, even more commonly than having a normal printer. The price will (and is) dropping as development is made on them, and they are becoming more advanced. I don't think it will be too long before everyone has one purely to replace broken things. Broken door handle? Print off a new one! I think it would be pretty cool is gadget makers let you buy just the inner components, then let you print your own case. How awesome would a bespoke mouse printed to your hand side be? Which is another thing, what if they miniaturised electronics production too? How cool would it be to print your new phone?
As for cost, ABS is pretty cheap, which is why mass production works. The initial startup costs are high, for the injection moulding machine and the tool (or mould), but you are paying pennies for the parts once it's in production, so reclaim the costs over a long run. Once you have the printer bought, you are paying probably less for the gun than the bullets. Plus if it's anything like normal injection moulding, you can regrind the plastic and use it again for the most part.
They should be illegal everywhere, because if they aren't how exactly do you plan on tracking them? How would you go about stopping someone who shouldn't have a gun for psychological reasons, when all they have to do is buy/borrow a 3D printer. Plus I frankly care less about what America thinks, and more about what is legal in other countries. Essentially if the US gov lets these be put on the internet, it's basically saying it doesn't give a fuck about it's allies. If we are honest here, do you think if Iraq or North Korea had put these online, do you think America would have stood by and allowed it to happen? What about things that are legal in other countries, but not in America, do you think the reaction would be the same? I seriously don't think one country has the right to choose what is allowed on the internet any more, it is a global platform and needs to be policed as such.
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Robert your too paranoid man lighten up no need to ban printers also you can print metal now as well just machine is bigger and more expencive.
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They should be illegal everywhere, because if they aren't how exactly do you plan on tracking them? How would you go about stopping someone who shouldn't have a gun for psychological reasons, when all they have to do is buy/borrow a 3D printer.
Your the type of person who would ban anything that has negative applications to it. Your also a sheep mayaswell make you a robot too.I bet your all for TSA fondling your kids felling them up at airports and soon it will be your papers please... remind you of anything
just stop being such a fear mongering sheep please and just deal with fact shit happens and if your afraid of bad things build a bunker and live in it.
fact is out there nothing will stop it being out there if some dick is gonna print it to do hard they would of done harm regardless of weather it there or not stop supporting the police state and police world state. some of us actually like to have some liberty left in the world
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advocaite
Robert your too paranoid man lighten up no need to ban printers also you can print metal now as well just machine is bigger and more expencive.
Your the type of person who would ban anything that has negative applications to it. Your also a sheep mayaswell make you a robot too.I bet your all for TSA fondling your kids felling them up at airports and soon it will be your papers please... remind you of anything
just stop being such a fear mongering sheep please and just deal with fact shit happens and if your afraid of bad things build a bunker and live in it.
fact is out there nothing will stop it being out there if some dick is gonna print it to do hard they would of done harm regardless of weather it there or not stop supporting the police state and police world state. some of us actually like to have some liberty left in the world
I'm not paranoid, I just see the logical continuance of things like this leading to a bad future.
Actually I don't want to ban very many things. Drugs for instance, I think people have the right to choose what state of mind they want to be in, as long as it does not affect other people. Proper regulation and knowledge dissemination about te positive and negative attributes would go a lot way imo. The difference is guns are made to seriously injure animals/people at long range, there is no positive side to guns. Frankly I'm not sure how that makes me a sheep, I've probably thought far longer on my personal code of ethics than most people, granted in England no one really likes guns so my opinion does go with the status quo, but correlation does not mean causation.
No idea who the TSA are, I presume some sort of squad of people checking for guns in public areas? Frankly you wouldn't need them if you banned guns, in a generation or two they would be gone. Just look at the UK, I've only once been searched, and that was for drugs not guns. You are the one causing mass gun searches by making it harder and harder for other technology to detect them.
Shit with guns does not need to happen, it happens because people like you support gun ownership. Every mass killing that happens, you warrant some of the blame.
The fact remains, they can do significantly more harm with access to long range weapons. As for liberty, lets be honest Americans have been loosing more important rights for a long time. The right to bare arms is a fucked up right to begin with, designed to make the government scared of the people, but really how scared is a government going to be when it has the worlds largest military? The US government could easily call martial law, and there's fuck all your population could do about it even with guns.
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I seriously hope everyone who downloads this gets arrested. The world does not need any more guns in it, especially such dangerous ones. I seriously don't give a shit what America thinks, this is a danger to the rest of the planet. No one has the right to release shit like this to the entire planet. Frankly the US government should have jailed the creators as soon as they suggested doing this.
Not when its not illegal. You would need the USA to be dictatorship for them to do that and not get fucked by the World Community. Any way the 2nd amendment allows every US Citizen to be armed, it's up to countries that do not allow every citizen to be armed to prevent access to these files.
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now answer this
pervet climbs into your house tries to rape your daughter you have no guns what you do?
pervet climbs into your house tries to rape your daughter you have a gun what you do?
Grab something long and hard (no I'm not talking about my penis or his) and knock him out in both situations.
But this is exactly what's wrong with so many guns, people will shoot, not just with rapist, but with just about anything.
If anything guns promote violence and crime. Crime rates in the US are much and much higher then in the Netherlands, yet pretty much no one owns a gun here, including the criminals. This is also why criminals don't break in when you're home, because they are scared of getting knocked out. However if a criminal has a gun, he feels safe.
Simply do not argue that guns are good or whatever, they're not.
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Not when its not illegal. You would need the USA to be dictatorship for them to do that and not get fucked by the World Community. Any way the 2nd amendment allows every US Citizen to be armed, it's up to countries that do not allow every citizen to be armed to prevent access to these files.
He's voicing his opinion, not whether US law allows it or not.
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Robert
I seriously hope everyone who downloads this gets arrested. The world does not need any more guns in it, especially such dangerous ones. I seriously don't give a shit what America thinks, this is a danger to the rest of the planet. No one has the right to release shit like this to the entire planet. Frankly the US government should have jailed the creators as soon as they suggested doing this.
Why should they have been jailed if they weren't breaking any laws? By the way, it's only down while it's legality is under review. That being said, it will most likely return due to the 2nd amendment.
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If anything guns promote violence and crime. Crime rates in the US are much and much higher then in the Netherlands, yet pretty much no one owns a gun here, including the criminals. This is also why criminals don't break in when you're home, because they are scared of getting knocked out. However if a criminal has a gun, he feels safe.
Simply do not argue that guns are good or whatever, they're not.
He's voicing his opinion, not whether US law allows it or not.
I agree, guns are not good. But they're necessary. Even if guns were banned criminals would continue to obtain guns through black markets and other illegal means. We've all seen how prohibition of drugs have worked; they're more easily obtainable than ever. What makes the prohibition of guns any different?
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Grab something long and hard (no I'm not talking about my penis or his) and knock him out in both situations.
Unless that criminal is armed with a gun of course, then what would you do? A pipe wouldn't hold up too well against a .45.
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Why should they have been jailed if they weren't breaking any laws? By the way, it's only down while it's legality is under review. That being said, it will most likely return due to the 2nd amendment.
I agree, guns are not good. But they're necessary. Even if guns were banned criminals would continue to obtain guns through black markets and other illegal means. We've all seen how prohibition of drugs have worked; they're more easily obtainable than ever. What makes the prohibition of guns any different?
Unless that criminal is armed with a gun of course, then what would you do? A pipe wouldn't hold up too well against a .45.
There is a difference between having a gun, and having a completely unlicenced untraceable gun. Tbh, if guns are to be made, I'd rather they only be made by well regulated companies.
They aren't necessary. In the majority of the civilised world, they are seriously hard to obtain. The "but criminals will still have them" argument is complete and utter BS. If it was true, gun crime would be far more prevalent in countries with tight weapon control. Don't make the mistake of comparing drugs to weapons, they couldn't be more different. Drugs are used to heal, or simply alter ones perception, and do more good that bad when used correctly (pretty much every drug invented has/had a medical/psychotherapy prescription). Guns kill people, that's all they do. America is a backwards country they have their laws simply wrong. Alas it's very difficult to change laws a country was founded upon, which is probably why monarchy still exists...
The point Gohan was trying to make is he wouldn't use a gun, even if he had one. I tend to agree with him, I think killing someone is murder no matter the situation, and no civilian should have easy access to being able to do that. And anyway it's been proven, if the criminal has a gun you are far more likely to be killed if you try and pull on them.
