Why not? In a word. Mercury.
A short 4 part docu hosted on youtube by Dr. Rashid Buttar, DO, FAAPM, FACAM, FAAIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJrkPJXAh0&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZI5nUKGWc0&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkChs4xHvy0&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBFTPDP6-90&
The planet or the element 0o
Really don't think we should be giving this type of advice online mate, when it comes to health everyone should make up their own mind and generally you don't want people to get diseases. If a vaccination is going to stop you from dying, but MIGHT have side effects, can you really tell people not to take it? Granted the chance of getting the disease might be low, but so are the side effects.
Unless I missed it in the first part, would that mean that the MMR - or all vaccines for that matter - contain mercury?
Do you really not see anything wrong in jumping on every controversial/alternative/fringe theory that comes your way, and then telling a forum of impressionable teenagers that they're totally confirmed to be true, when in reality they're unconfirmed at best, and more commonly totally discredited? I mean usually it's not that bad but when it comes to things like telling people to not get vaccinated against deadly diseases, it's pretty fucked up to be honest.
Oh and just for fun, here's a list of studies that have been done on the link between the MMR vaccine and autism:
BUT GUYS, NEVER MIND THAT. THIS GUY ON YOUTUBE SAYS OTHERWISE!* A 1998 population study of Swedish children found no difference in the prevalence of autistic children born before and after the 1982 introduction of the MMR vaccine in Sweden.[36]
* A 2002 retrospective cohort study of all 537,303 children born in Denmark from January 1991 through December 1998 found no statistically significant difference in risk of autism among the 440,655 who were vaccinated with MMR. This study provided strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.[37]
* In February 2004, a population-based case-controlled study of 624 cases and 1,824 matched controls, conducted by the Centers for Disease Control, found no evidence to support an association between MMR and autism.[38]
* In September 2004, a case–controlled study of 1,294 cases of pervasive developmental disorder and 4,469 controls from the UK General Practice Research Database found a relative risk of 0.86 for MMR vaccine, which suggests that MMR is not associated with an increased risk of pervasive developmental disorders such as autism, and, if anything, is protective.[39]
* In October 2004, a meta review, financed by the European Union, was published in the October 2004 edition of Vaccine[40] that assessed the evidence given in 120 other studies and considered unintended effects of the MMR vaccine. The authors concluded that
o the vaccine is associated with some positive and negative side effects,
o it was "unlikely" that there was a connection between MMR and autism, and
o "The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies ... are largely inadequate".
* In January 2005, a study of all younger residents of Olmsted County, Minnesota reported an eightfold increase in the age-adjusted incidence of research-identified autism over a period beginning in the early eighties and ending in the late nineties, but found no evidence of a link with MMR. The study's authors said that the timing of the increase suggested that it may have been due to improved awareness of the disorder, a growth in services, and changing definitions.[41]
* From January 2005 through July 2007, Dan Olmsted, a senior editor for UPI, conducted a journalistic investigation reported in his "Age of Autism" column[42] and found no unvaccinated children with autism. Olmsted looked for autistic children among unvaccinated Amish; in a subset of homeschooled children who are not vaccinated for religious reasons; and in a pediatric practice in Chicago with several thousand never-vaccinated children. However, in a critical 2005 assessment Olmsted's reporting was characterized as "misguided" by two anonymous reporters. Both sources "believed that Olmsted has made up his mind on the question and is reporting the facts that support his conclusions".[43] A 2006 study contradicted Olmsted by demonstrating a genetically determined syndrome of autism and mental retardation prevalent in the Old Order Amish population.[44]
* Japan provided a natural experiment on the subject: combined MMR vaccine was introduced in 1989, but the programme was terminated in 1993 and only single vaccines used thereafter. In March 2005 a study of over 30,000 children (278 cases) born in one district of Yokohama concluded "The incidence of all autistic spectrum disorders (ASD), and of autism, continued to rise after MMR vaccine was discontinued. The incidence of autism was higher in children born after 1992 who were not vaccinated with MMR than in children born before 1992 who were vaccinated. The incidence of autism associated with regression was the same during the use of MMR and after it was discontinued." The authors concluded: "The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD."[45]
* In October 2005, the Cochrane Library published a review of 31 scientific studies, which found no credible evidence of an involvement of MMR with either autism or Crohn's disease. The review also stated "Measles, mumps and rubella are three very dangerous infectious diseases which cause a heavy disease, disability and death burden in the developing world.… [T]he impact of mass immunisation on the elimination of the diseases has been demonstrated worldwide." However the authors of the report also stated that "the design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate."[5]
* In July 2006, a study of 27,749 Canadian children ruled out an association between pervasive developmental disorder and MMR vaccinations.[46]
* A review published in September 2006 found no scientific evidence that the MMR vaccine plays any part in the causes or triggering of autism, even in a subgroup of children with the condition.[47]
* A 2006 study found no evidence of measles virus genome sequences persisting in the blood of autistic children vaccinated with MMR.[48]
* A 2006 multi-site study of 351 children with ASD found no evidence that onset of autistic symptoms or of regression was related to MMR vaccination.[49]
* A 2007 study found that there was no change in the rates of regressive autism after MMR was withdrawn from Japan.[50]
* A 2007 case study used the figure in Wakefield's 1999 letter to The Lancet alleging a temporal association between MMR vaccination and autism[51] to illustrate how a graph can misrepresent its data, and gave advice to authors and publishers to avoid similar misrepresentations in the future.[52]
* A 2007 review of independent studies performed after the publication of Wakefield et al.'s original report found that these studies provide compelling evidence against the hypothesis that MMR is associated with autism.[53]
* A review of the work conducted in 2004 for UK court proceedings but not revealed until 2007 found that the polymerase chain reaction analysis essential to the Wakefield et al. results was fatally flawed due to contamination, and that it could not have possibly detected the measles that it was supposed to have detected.[54]
* A 2008 study examined the blood of children aged about 10 years that had been given the MMR vaccine, and found no difference in levels of measles virus or antibodies between children diagnosed with autism and those who had not.[55]
* A 2008 study found that children with autism had no more peptides in their urine than typical children, casting doubt on the proposed mechanism for the hypothesized diagnosis of autistic enterocolitis.[56]
* A 2008 preliminary case-control study based on a parent survey presented evidence that the common pain/fever reliever paracetamol (acetaminophen) following MMR vaccination is apparently associated with development of autism in children aged 1–5 years. The effect seemed to appear only in children who show some post-vaccination regression together with other post-vaccination sequelae such as fever, and it was not seen with other painkillers such as ibuprofen. The effect has not been independently confirmed.[57]
oh and also:
Even the guy's team who started this whole thing have retracted their statements and now deny any link.In 2004, the interpretation of a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism was formally retracted by ten of Wakefield's twelve co-authors.[64] The retraction followed an investigation by The Sunday Times.[65] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,[66] the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences,[67] and the U.K. National Health Service[68] have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
did you even watch the videos or have even a pinch of knowledge on the subject?Originally Posted by Gladstone
clearly you do not so stop wasting my time with your childish remarks
I put aside several hours a day to educate myself on matters such as this and only post so openly about things i am absolutely certain of after having weighed up both sides. I provide material, links and sources to back up my "claims" which is a damn sight more than you do, so once again I request that you leave the schoolboy attitude.
If you hadn't already so happily formed an opinion based on what you have had proven to you then I would ask you to at least point me in the direction of information that would proove these claims to be wrong
however, seeing as you are so happy believing something is incorrect, before you have even so much glanced as glanced at the evidence supporting it, I shant bother
any else who is interested in the truth would do well to start here;
http://www.autismmedia.org/
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
http://www.drbuttar.com/
also in response to the MMR vaccine apparently not causing autism it is not 1 vaccine that is the killer, it is repeat exposure to the chemical, it doesnt take a degree to work that out. Vaccines will certainley come and go and I am certain individual vaccines will be shown to have little to no effect. For me however the striking evidence is how well the body recovers after mercury has been removed.
edit: you clearly did not even read through the list of studies you happily posted
Lmao.
This sounds like a scientology post. Dont take the meds! They can kill you.
Yes, some vaccinations back in the 1960's contained murcury. But, you could die without some crucial vaccinations. Such as Tetnus, or Polio.
Who would trust some guy on youtube that "says" hes a doctor. I would love to see his licence on the same page.
Hell, I could put on a lab coat and make up a fake name.
Look up.
googling does not count as educating yourself fully on the matter
And niether does watching fake videos that point out past problems.
I would love to see an INDEPENDENT study done on the variations between MMR and childhood autisim.
By the way, don't say back before the vaccine people didnt experience childhood autisim.
Because: people werent reporting any kind of autisim, because they didnt know, or they didnt have access to adiquate medical care.
And I assume you have undertaken a series of your own peer reviewed studies on the matter to come to your conclusion? No, you've just spent hours on the internet researching into anything that'll confirm your viewpoint while ignoring the vast number of studies that have been done to disprove it. And now you think you're fully qualified to tell people not to get life saving vaccinations.
Guess its too late for me I got all the vaccinations :(
i never said vaccines dont work. however the culmination of many vaccines and their high content of mercury is the problem.
here is a lovely post from a blog I have been reading recently;
hits the nail on the head here tooHere are the basics of my arguement.
In 1949 my dad, his little brother and their father all got polio. While my dad and uncle recovered, their father didn't. My dad was only 7 and his brother 6. They same ages my boys are now.
At the time the US polio rate was 1 in 3000. Polio vaccine was very important then. If my children were facing that same risk, I may vaccinate them with it now.
HOWEVER, the rate of polio is now zero. Yet my son was vaccinated as if he had the same risk of contracting polio that his grandfather did a half century ago. He was given 3 polio shots in his first 18 months of life (at the same time as 4 to 6 other vaccines), when the vaccine information sheet says that 90% of children will gain immunity from polio the first time they get a shot.
So my son was vaccinated three times as an infant, with a vaccine he probably only needed once, for a disease that was of zero threat to him.
Yet the autism rate in this country is 1 in 150 (remember the height of the polio epidemic was 1 in 3000) and as an American child he has a 1 in 6 chance of having a serious, chronic illness (autism, add, asthma, juvenile arthritis, type 1 diabetes, life threatening allergies, pediatric cancers, etc.)most of which are suspected of links to vaccination.
We are over vaccinating our children and we have traded treatable viral illnesses for incurable autoimmune and neurological disorders.
I was born in 1969. My birth cohort got about 10 vaccines during childhood. No disease epidemics, no autism/asthma epidemics.
Children today get around 66 vaccines in childhood, 36 in the first 18 months and our kids are some of the sickest in the world.
The vaccine program in this country has become absurd. We are vaccinating babies on the day they are born for a sexually transmitted disease.
The law of diminishing returns has kicked in, and we have crossed the line of good judgment. We are not just vaccinating against polio, we are vaccinating against chicken pox and diarrhea.
You also need to understand that many of these deadly epidemics were dying off on their own before the vaccine actually came along because of better sanitation and nutrition that was coming about in the mid 19th century. Even if we completely stopped vaccinating, it would not be as bad as it was 100 years ago because we live cleaner lives and have better health care. When people in "other countries" have outbreaks, it is often because they live in third world conditions with almost no infrastructure, clean water, sanitation, adequate nutrition and inadequate heath care providers. The live piled on top of one another.
We live in a different reality and we need to vaccinate our kids according to the risk to their individual health and the risks that are a reality in the region that they live in.
And when a child cannot be safely vaccinated, like my son, we should not vaccinate him.
This is a really complicated issue and I would encourage you to do a lot more homework before posting, especially with such a condescending tone. It is kind of rude and I really encourage respectful discourse here.
btw, master bubba and gladstone why are you being so specific with the MMR shot? Do people have only the 1 vaccination? I could have sworn we have more than that.
Well, it was the main thing in the large quote, so I decided to talk about that.
Who cares about blogs? Blogs can be full of bias, and or false stories.
Basically, unless you have a trusted source don't use it.
I just wish people wouldent get carried away in topics before they actully look really deep into it.
By the way, thats how people get fooled into believing things that arent true.
Logos (Logic) is really the only way to analyze any hot-topic. Emotions should not be the main thing that persuades you in a topic that could be life threatning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomer...on_controversy
It's a similar story for mercury in general. Yeah it's wikipedia but it's very well sourced so you can't complain. Especially since you're using some random blog to back up your argument.
i couldnt agree more mate, i have several books on the topic that i use for reference aswell as talking to many doctors and physicians that i work / train with. online research i take it all with a pinch of salt
Pretty long sauce list xD.References
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Anyway, Exclamatio you really need to either get the past out of your mind. Or stop listening to internet contraversy.
People though telephone lines caused cancer, yet that was disproven. But yet, this topic had been dismissed by the FDA and your still supporting people who just want to make themselves popular on youtube.
Ex I have to say I'm not all that interested in the actual research you've done, it's more the fact that you are dispensing serious medical advice you are unqualified to give based on claims that are controversial at best, to a forum of impressionable teenagers, about not taking potentially life saving jabs. Surely you can see the issue here.
Agreed with Gladstone. People should not be giving out such information on a forum with a main demograpic of teenagers.
Ok guys but the info is probably still correct and its an opinion, so what would be better for this thread is maybe rename the title to something similar to an opinion statement.
You do relize you have to provide proof for this statement that you just posted. Right?
Opinions arent correct, reports from studies are.
Do you really not see anything wrong in jumping on every controversial/alternative/fringe theory that comes your way, and then telling a forum of impressionable teenagers that they're totally confirmed to be true, when in reality they're unconfirmed at best, and more commonly totally discredited?did you even watch the videos or have even a pinch of knowledge on the subject?
clearly you do not so stop wasting my time with your childish remarks
I put aside several hours a day to educate myself on matters such as this and only post so openly about things i am absolutely certain of after having weighed up both sides. I provide material, links and sources to back up my "claims" which is a damn sight more than you do, so once again I request that you leave the schoolboy attitude.
This bit of banter made me laugh. Gladstone your repetitive use of the term impressionable and your stereotype that all teenagers are impressionable and child like is really quite insulting to your usual standing towards fact and general truth on certain matters.
Teenagers are not that impressionable, they're just severely misinformed and happen to be the last foothold of open minds that we have. the reason why alot of teenagers today are very impressionable and stereotypical is because they are lead to be that way through a society that condemns they're natural open mindedness and will to learn new things.
it's instinctual for any teen person to learn things and try to gain further knowledge because it may aid them through adulthood, much in the way any young pre-adult animal refines and gains knowledge and skills through experience before it has fully matured.
You sir are early aiding the problem and not solving it.
the fact that personal study does not come into play when "impressionable" teenagers are around is an insult to everyone involved.
for one you have nothing to actually discredit exy completely and have then turned to the side of "defending the innocent". fact.
secondly you completely devalued what research he had done for no reason other than you supposed defending of the innocent. fact.
if you want to be productive about this then at very least do your own research into the matter and provide a suitable rebuttal with evidence and sources to support your theory/opinion/findings.
once again these "impressionable" teenagers rarely get all sides of the story and without the maturity of adulthood are unable to make refined distinctions, but give them all the information and you can see that they can form they're own opinions and do a bit of research all on their own, do not underestimate them.
oh and btw for the record, those facts I told you about were derived from your own posts, style and use of language and direction of subject, before you even try to discount them.
and if you read any of the other posts you would see that one youtube vid with a supposed doctor in it sn't the only research being done.
your problem is that you have selective hearing or reading I should say, anything posted that might give you or your argument a leg up in this little skirmish has been read and understood whereas all other posts have been ignored.
I once again direct you to doing some of your own research into the subject so you can post an appropriate rebuttle with sources, evidence and whatever other stuf you would like to include as long as it's truth.
And I assume you've undertaken several studies to prove him otherwise. This is a general warning to everyone, you're just the fall guy gladstone, anyone I see using accusations without evidence in threads like these will be punished. I'd much rather see people, exy included, proved wrong than to have a lack of complete research and simple accusations thrown around like insults.
tbh you have contribute less than gladstone in this discussion and are more like his hype man from what I've seen. do things on your own and don't bother quoting a post with a list of study names because that's not enough. read them first, bring them into the discussion as sources to your own research, a long list of names does nothing.
That's your opinion, I think reports are still opinions with differing amounts of evidence to back them up, which in themselves could be flawed.
But hey, that's just my opinion.
Rofl.
I thought you said Vacations (holidays) xD
Anyway, thanks exy xD
lol
anyway..
ive had many vaccinations and im fine..
me thinks....
i havent died from the vaccination itself, or from the disease its protecting me from.
and plus, medical science has progressed in the 17 years i have been alive, so if there are 'traces' of mercury, then surly wouldn't it be a very slim chance that there is a trace in your vaccination?
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