dont get vaccinations

[Gladstone]

Flameingskull you must have missed the part where pretty much every study ever made pertaining to this topic has shown that Exclamatio is wrong, but hey never mind we can all go on pretending like there's nothing wrong with presenting medically rejected claims as indisputable facts and that it's perfectly acceptable for someone who isn't a doctor to tell people not to get life saving injections because of a theory which is pretty much dead now anyway.

Again because you must have missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomer...on_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vac...Recent_studies

[bitblaster]

My mother told me about this a long time ago, saying that mercury in vaccinations could partially be at fault for autism and other PDD's.

[Flameingskull]

Flameingskull you must have missed the part where pretty much every study ever made pertaining to this topic has shown that Exclamatio is wrong, but hey never mind we can all go on pretending like there's nothing wrong with presenting medically rejected claims as indisputable facts and that it's perfectly acceptable for someone who isn't a doctor to tell people not to get life saving injections because of a theory which is pretty much dead now anyway.

Again because you must have missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomer...on_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vac...Recent_studies

actually I didn't post anything about my opinion of the negativity or need of vaccinations, what I posted was merely about your lack of faith towards teenagers and the way you used them as an excuse not to post an adequate response to anything and suggested that a proper response would be to post the research you've made, the sources and what not.

[MasterBubba]

Flameingskull you must have missed the part where pretty much every study ever made pertaining to this topic has shown that Exclamatio is wrong, but hey never mind we can all go on pretending like there's nothing wrong with presenting medically rejected claims as indisputable facts and that it's perfectly acceptable for someone who isn't a doctor to tell people not to get life saving injections because of a theory which is pretty much dead now anyway.

Again because you must have missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomer...on_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vac...Recent_studies

Thats the problem with some people.
They wind up getting so think headed that they don't think that there is a problem with their beliefs.

Flameingskull:
You tend to be a thorn in everyones sides. Just because I didnt contribute AS MUCH as Gladstone, I still helped him out. I never knew their was a Contribute-O-Meter moderator on this site.
By the way, isnt there such thing as: it does not matter the quantity of what you post, it is the quality. Which none of your posts on this topic have.

[KyleEnos]

Thats the problem with some people.
They wind up getting so think headed that they don't think that there is a problem with their beliefs.

Flameingskull:
You tend to be a thorn in everyones sides. Just because I didnt contribute AS MUCH as Gladstone, I still helped him out. I never knew their was a Contribute-O-Meter moderator on this site.
By the way, isnt there such thing as: it does not matter the quantity of what you post, it is the quality. Which none of your posts on this topic have.

Your acquired source list was a pile of shit tbqh. Instead of googling shit, why didn't you at least put in the effort to re-organize that list so it was actually readable? Because as for me what you posted was just sloppy, unorganized and lazy.

[MasterBubba]

Lmao.
I copied and pasted from the wiki article.
Maybe you should actully read some posts, not make assumptions on them.

[KyleEnos]

Lmao.
I copied and pasted from the wiki article.
Maybe you should actully read some posts, not make assumptions on them.

You were jumping on the bandwaggon, simple enough. As you said, you simply C+Pd, any idiot can do that. As FS said why don't people stop giving un-supported 'facts' about this matter and start doing their own research. All you did was make an effortless, lazy, sloppy attempt to include yourself in this discussion.

Like I said, any idiot can C+P.

[Flameingskull]

Thats the problem with some people.
They wind up getting so think headed that they don't think that there is a problem with their beliefs.

Flameingskull:
You tend to be a thorn in everyones sides. Just because I didnt contribute AS MUCH as Gladstone, I still helped him out. I never knew their was a Contribute-O-Meter moderator on this site.
By the way, isnt there such thing as: it does not matter the quantity of what you post, it is the quality. Which none of your posts on this topic have.

and there we have it ladies and gentlemen he helped gladstone out rather than actually posting something useful.

agreeing with him is no problem but as I said before at least show your reasons for your agreement that way you enlighten the rest of us without sounding like a brown nose.

and once again, my opinion concerning vaccinations was never posted.

[MasterBubba]

And niether does watching fake videos that point out past problems.
I would love to see an INDEPENDENT study done on the variations between MMR and childhood autisim.
By the way, don't say back before the vaccine people didnt experience childhood autisim.
Because: people werent reporting any kind of autisim, because they didnt know, or they didnt have access to adiquate medical care.

Wow! I never knew that wasnt usefull information.

Well, it was the main thing in the large quote, so I decided to talk about that.
Who cares about blogs? Blogs can be full of bias, and or false stories.
Basically, unless you have a trusted source don't use it.
I just wish people wouldent get carried away in topics before they actully look really deep into it.
By the way, thats how people get fooled into believing things that arent true.
Logos (Logic) is really the only way to analyze any hot-topic. Emotions should not be the main thing that persuades you in a topic that could be life threatning.

Wow! More information, should I go on? I guess I should.

Anyway, Exclamatio you really need to either get the past out of your mind. Or stop listening to internet contraversy.
People though telephone lines caused cancer, yet that was disproven. But yet, this topic had been dismissed by the FDA and your still supporting people who just want to make themselves popular on youtube.

Wait! Thats everything I have.

and once again, my opinion concerning vaccinations was never posted.

If you didnt post your opinion, why post here?

[Pfa]

Reminds me of that time when people linked penicillin to their children's allergy. Seriously though, it may not be vaccination but SOMETHING that WE are doing is causing newborns to have such medical conditional.

[MasterBubba]

Reminds me of that time when people linked penicillin to their children's allergy. Seriously though, it may not be vaccination but SOMETHING that WE are doing is causing newborns to have such medical conditional.

Are you using a translator?

By-the-way, there has been no study that has proved that there was, and still is murcury in vaccines.

[Flameingskull]

Wow! I never knew that wasnt usefull information.

Wow! More information, should I go on? I guess I should.

Wait! Thats everything I have.

If you didnt post your opinion, why post here?

sources, references, actual studies, where are those?

the reason for me posting was to get you to past something adequate and bring actual information into the thread and not just something that you say is true, without the sources and references the what you say is just opinion, I've been posting as a mod who wants to serious discussion with appropriate reference materials and not just an argument.

and for your idiocy and constant bitching you get this a shiny infraction for all your troubles..

I was being nice when I said I would like to see certain things in this thread but now since the advice is being ignored I'm telling you and whoever else is reading that if you're going to post in this thread with any sort of argument I want to see sources and references.

opinions can and will be heard and are more than welcome.

[exclamatio]

lol

anyway..

ive had many vaccinations and im fine..
me thinks....

i havent died from the vaccination itself, or from the disease its protecting me from.

and plus, medical science has progressed in the 17 years i have been alive, so if there are 'traces' of mercury, then surly wouldn't it be a very slim chance that there is a trace in your vaccination?

aye it depends on your bodies natural ability to deal with levels of toxicity, some ar eunlucky and not able to deal with the large amounts of mercury (even trace amounts are bad for you) and unfortunately develop autism etc

i too have had my share of vaccinations

Flameingskull you must have missed the part where pretty much every study ever made pertaining to this topic has shown that Exclamatio is wrong, but hey never mind we can all go on pretending like there's nothing wrong with presenting medically rejected claims as indisputable facts and that it's perfectly acceptable for someone who isn't a doctor to tell people not to get life saving injections because of a theory which is pretty much dead now anyway.

Again because you must have missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomer...on_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vac...Recent_studies

ive read through a number of the links you have posted and you clearly have not read them yourself, infact the same way they use statistics and bad science is the same way they try to refute any claims that vaccinations are not safe

a life saving injection and a vaccination are 2 different things

if someone is in a life death situation or even at a high risk of developing a condition or contracting a disease then vaccinations are an option

vaccinating constantly against anything and everything is what is wrong

You were jumping on the bandwaggon, simple enough. As you said, you simply C+Pd, any idiot can do that. As FS said why don't people stop giving un-supported 'facts' about this matter and start doing their own research. All you did was make an effortless, lazy, sloppy attempt to include yourself in this discussion.

Like I said, any idiot can C+P.

aye, i dont really try to debate with the robots who clearly dont read their own backup material

i will however keep trying to get this information out so it is more accesible as a start point for as many people as possible

it is a shame such shabby science is used to validate the use of things like vaccinations :(

i laugh when people say i have no right to tell people not to get vaccinations when i was simply forwarding links to an already well established and very well respected doctor who gets absolutely fantastic results through very simple means. People if you doubt this claim then go check out his research, it is ready and available for all to see aswell as the great results he is getting and the lives he is improving.

[Robert]

From what I understood of the video (I only watched the first part so w/e) he wasn't saying don't get vaccinations he was saying if you develop autism there is still hope.

Frankly not getting vaccinations is a bad idea. One or two people not getting them I guess would be ok, but if everyone started rejecting them diseases would spread like wild fire! Granted the chances atm is low that your going to catch anything, because most people already are immune to them. But the chance would increase massively to the point that autism is a small price to pay to stop the diseases in the first place.

Call me crazy, but if its the toxins that cause it maybe spreading out the vaccinations over a long period of time would be better than just stopping it completely? The guy said they could see the mercury in the hair follicles so checking the hair after an injection seems like a good idea, then the person would know how risky it would be to get the shot.

[Gladstone]

ive read through a number of the links you have posted and you clearly have not read them yourself, infact the same way they use statistics and bad science is the same way they try to refute any claims that vaccinations are not safe

I love how I give you massive lists of studies directly refuting your claims and you automatically assert that they are 'bad science', (as if you would have the first clue what that means anyway), when in fact doctor Wakefield, the guy who started this whole thing, is the one facing charges of professional misconduct relating to his work on vaccination-autism links.

By the way, "a number of the links I've posted"? I've given two. Can't be paying much attention yourself.

i laugh when people say i have no right to tell people not to get vaccinations when i was simply forwarding links to an already well established and very well respected doctor who gets absolutely fantastic results through very simple means. People if you doubt this claim then go check out his research, it is ready and available for all to see aswell as the great results he is getting and the lives he is improving.

Every doctor is well respected. The question is, why are you placing such high stock in this one individual physician when almost every other doctor in the world disagrees?

Oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[Robert]

Every doctor is well respected. The question is, why are you placing such high stock in this one individual physician when almost every other doctor in the world disagrees?

Oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

To be fair it does give some hope to those with autism, which is better than having no hope at all.

[exclamatio]

I love how I give you massive lists of studies directly refuting your claims and you automatically assert that they are 'bad science', (as if you would have the first clue what that means anyway), when in fact doctor Wakefield, the guy who started this whole thing, is the one facing charges of professional misconduct relating to his work on vaccination-autism links.

By the way, "a number of the links I've posted"? I've given two. Can't be paying much attention yourself.

Every doctor is well respected. The question is, why are you placing such high stock in this one individual physician when almost every other doctor in the world disagrees?

Oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

confirmation bias will always exist, thats why u need to be scientific in your approach

start with the idea that vaccinations really are more dangerous than safe
find all the evidence you can, anecdotal, studies, case studies

then start with the idea that vaccinations are compeltely safe and offer no risk
again find the evidence supporting this conclusion

you will find a great deal more and a lot more convincing material showing that vaccinations are more dangerous than they are supposed to be, thats what ive done on and off over the past 6 or 7 years now

For me, the proof is in the pudding. Look what happens to children with these conditions when you stop vaccinating and remove the mecury. You can have thousands of people peer reviewing on the behalf of others and for their buddies till the sun rises in the west but nothing shows the truth more than real life observations.

What about the fact that most of the deadly diseases that vaccinations were supposed to have irradicated were on the downfall years before vaccinations were introduced. Due to better awareness, better sanitation etcetc We all know that statistics, dates and figures will always be bent and misused in order to proove a point and that is why we must look at what is really happening and not just at numbers on paper.

btw that "long list" you posted, you should read through it too when you get a chance

[Gladstone]

Anecdotal evidence and sob stories about how poor little Timmy was never the same again, are not sufficient.

btw that "long list" you posted, you should read through it too when you get a chance

You keep saying this but you've never actually explained what it is you are getting at. Maybe you should stop being so cryptic and start getting to the point

[Flameingskull]

You keep saying this but you've never actually explained what it is you are getting at. Maybe you should stop being so cryptic and start getting to the point

or you should stop posting as if he's arguing with you and not debating with you. Stop making jabs and make a solid case, if you think he's being cryptic and the answers are there then show the answers, quote the stats you've found.

I'm not warning people again about this kind of post, this is a discussion not an argument, once again.