Ew messy :burn:, and bitblaster one thing LOL!!! I don't mind gays and I dunno about if their born gay or somthing go ask one! and I don't have anything (well much) against them as long as they don't cross my paths there ok.Originally Posted by Exclamatio
-Mattio
PS: One of the best quotes from a gay has too be "Im notgay but my boyfreind is!"
Oooh, Didn't know it could do that to someone, Well, Poor guy, Poor Ex for being hit on by a guy :(!
Men are more likely to grow up to become gay if there was a higher than average level of the female sex hormone estrogen when they were growing in thier mothers womb.
Women are more likely to grow up to become lesbians if there was a higher than average level of the male sex hormone testosterone when they were growing in their mothers womb.
There are factors which affect someone's sexuality when a person is born (genes), the enviornment they're brought up in and experiences they have. Any of these or some sort of a combination will determine their sexuality.
I accept that there are gay people in our society and don't have too much of a problem with them or their behaviour; I'll just never condone it.
I actually believe that it's a bit of both. Different people react differently to experiences they may have. This could be due to past experiences that have changed them in small ways, differences in the brain or chemicals in the brain, or a mixture of the two. It's most likely a mixture, imo.do u believe ppl r born gay, or become gay throughout their lives?
If a guy has either a very bad experience with a girl and/or a very good experience with a guy, some of them will start to prefer males to females, others will still prefer females, others will prefer no one, and so on. (If this happens at a young age then it gives the appearance that the child was born gay, although this may or may not be completely true.)
The same thing can happen to females.
It is a possibility... but there will be various psychological boundaries to overcome which is EXTREMELY difficult to do. Especially if someone has a bad experience early in their life. They may not even remember this bad experience consciously because they were so young, but it's still their sub-conscious mind. This makes it all the more difficult.and do u believe that once u r gay that u can become "straight" again?
Besides, they also have to be willing to change, and not all of them are.
Edit: To answer your first question... I don't have any more problems with gays then I do with any other human.
They just have a few differences that are frowned upon in most societies. This doesn't make them bad people or anything, anymore then being straight does.
Last edited by darkrayne; 16-08-05 at 10:08 PM.
it was far from where i live was away on business :tp:
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Sounds good... but what about bi-sexuals? Were there higher then average levels of both estrogen and testosterone? And those that prefer neither gender? Below average of both?
Makes the most sence out of all the posts really, I also have no problem at all with gay/lesbian/bi-sexuals.
lesbians rule
gays suck
it has come to this, these days
IMO if people are born homosexual, should there not be programs to help them convert to a heterosexual? Just like if a person is born with an addiction to crack or alcohol, there are programs to help them.
if i was you, i'd choose my words more carefully =P
im sure they do
i really hate gay ppl, cnat stand them.
It is something genetic. Just like what you are attracted to. It's in your genes. Sometimes people need something to simulate what they really feel.
Then leave RZ, because we are all gay here. :tp:
NoPeace - out
Last edited by NoPeace; 16-08-05 at 11:56 PM.
I believe it has to do with both genes and the environment you are raised in. Everyone is born with the "gay" gene, but it doesn't always "activate" you could say.
Scientists say everyone is "gay" for at least one second in their life, they could continue to be like that, or they might not.
I -am- gay and the area I live in is one of the most anti-gay areas. So in my opinion, it has more to do with genes, but you need that 'spark' to make it work.
Anyways, you know what they say. Those who hate gay people are normally the ones who are the most insecure of their own self.
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LOLZ i didnt know it IM LEAVING :icon6: :icon6:
gays are fuckin wierd, how a man can get off puttin his dick inside a mans hairy shitty ass I will never fucking understand that shit, its jus fucking minging. Wierd fucking freaky bastards, need to be shot
Speak for yer fucking self chief, just because you cant get a woman
It was a joke and I have a woman, thank you very much ^.^
NoPeace - out
That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard in my life. If gays need to be shot for having a differential sexuality then you need to be shot for having a differential opinion.
First of all people are born straight, gay or bisexual, unlike popular believe the way a child is raised, gay parents or a strong father/mother figure has nothing to do with it, although it is true that in average there are more people openly gay that grew up between people that are gay, because they learned it's ok and all.
Anyway they have done so much research in how a child is raised and the enviroment, but they could never find any connection, what they did found a connection in is that 1 of a twin is gay that there is a much bigger chance that the other 1 is gay aswell then with a "normal" sibling.
Ofcourse there are people who say they became gay, but those people often were bisexual or in rare case they were straight but never cared about psychical appearence, but a normal straight person couldn't become gay, you can't control attraction, and afterall that's what sexuality is mostly about really, attraction, because in the end a guy can have the personality and all of a woman where as woman can have it from a man, which is also why there are people who change sex because they feel they are in the wrong body, and that's also very much different, i mean some men are born feeling like a women, where as 1 is attracted to women whereas the other is attracted to men.
Either way it's something we are born with, all research points to that, and all logical thinking points to that aswell, because think about it, when did we decide what sexuality we had? And can you truely say that you control it? Because i can tell you that alot of gay people are married and all and will never share they are gay, and they wished they were straight.
It's a weird thing, anyway same can be said about women, why the hell would they let a hairy man touch them etc, can you imagine being a woman and have sex with a man? I sure can't.
Last edited by GohanSSJ; 17-08-05 at 01:41 AM.
I saw an article in a newspaper around last week, talking bout some research into bisexuality. The findings of the study was read by the paper as bisexual men don't exist. This is the best Google could come up with. It does go a bit into "What do define a bisexual as?":Sounds good... but what about bi-sexuals? Were there higher then average levels of both estrogen and testosterone? And those that prefer neither gender? Below average of both?
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssen...ptyReference!)
Research on bisexuality is sparse, but a few intrepid scientists have tried to get data by wiring up a group of gay, bisexual and straight men to a machine that monitored their arousal when exposed to erotic images of men and women. The researchers found that, while some of their subjects called themselves bisexual, their male anatomy showed a notable preference for one sex or the other. That led to headlines proclaiming that bisexual men don't exist.
But such a proclamation would seem to depend on how you define bisexual. Does a person have to be absolutely equally attracted to both sexes? If you like both but prefer one, do you qualify? Scientists don't know. What they do know from tracking the spread of HIV is that a number of men who have sex with men also have sex with women. A report from the Centers for Disease Control notes that 13 percent of white men who reported sex with other men also had sex with women. Among black men it was 34 percent, and among Hispanic men, 26 percent. Men can and do go both ways.
"This is something we don't quite understand," says Gerulf Rieger, a psychology graduate student at Northwestern University and lead author of the study. Rieger, who told me he's gay, said he, too, is a bit baffled by the way other gay men manage to marry women.
In his study, he didn't see evidence for "bisexual arousal" among the 101 paid volunteers, recruited using alternative weeklies and gay publications. Of those, 38 identified themselves as gay, 33 as bisexual and 30 as straight. The researchers showed the men short films: one with two women having sex, one with two men having sex. They used lesbian sex because previous research showed it is more exciting to heterosexual men than male-female pornography.& anyway. Whichever sex hormone you're more exsposed to in the womb just alters the chances that you'll be straight or gay/lesbian. What you experience as you grow up is what finally puts a person imo to be one or the other (or both).the overwhelming response was always to one sex or the other, even for the bisexuals. And yet, the penis meter did register a small amount of expansion when the straight men watched the other men, and when gays watch the women.
But what really surprised Rieger was that some of those who identified as bisexual liked the women much more than the men. In that sense they reacted like the straight men. Why would a heterosexual man pose as bisexual?
"Maybe they're very open," Rieger says. "I'm not a straight guy, so I don't know."
An article on the subject in the New York Times appeared under the headline "Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited." Rieger said the headline came from an expression often used in the gay community and was not meant to imply that bisexuals are liars, though that is what it implied. "Some might be truly confused - that's far from being a liar," he says.
But it may be the scientists who are confused. Lisa Diamond, a professor of psychology and gender identity at the University of Utah, said there's no agreed-upon definition of bisexual either in science or in society. Some people define their orientation by whom they're attracted to, others say it's whom you fall in love with that matters. "We have this delusion that we're all talking about the same thing when we talk about arousal and desire and orientation," she said.
Last edited by Ionic & Schizo; 17-08-05 at 01:49 AM.
Nah, like i said there has been no connection between how childeren grew up, they were all completely different, divorced parents, dominating father or mother, gay parents, gay family, playing with barbies at young age, it all doesnt matter, there has been no connection at all, they just were raised like any other child, nothing there that would raise the chances of someone being gay.
Like i also said there is a big chance that 1 of the twins is gay that the other is aswell, i believe the chance of both twins being gay when 1 is is like 30%
EDIT: Little research said 55%, this also includes twins who were seperated at birth.
Last edited by GohanSSJ; 17-08-05 at 02:06 AM.
If we go by your theory then maybe the way they were raised didn't make them into one or the other, but instead allowed them to better realize which gender they preferred. Or it just brain-washed them into believing that they were straight when they weren't, or possibly that they were homosexual when they were actually straight. Maybe.
Besides, you can raise a child the same exact way, but they're still going to have different experiences. Some of the children will be popular at school and others won't. They won't all like the same foods, games, hobbies, ect... so they're going to be doing different things and having different experiences. (You can only control so many varibles, after all.)
But I do think that it's most likely mostly do to with brain chemicals, which one is born with. They just kind of go hand in hand at least a bit, don't they?
You are either born straight, gay, or bisexual.
You can not change what you are attracted to, no matter what. ("no matter what" does not include doing things that are not natural, like implanting something into their brain)
Last edited by JcxZero; 17-08-05 at 04:52 AM.
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