You know what gets me?
Why other countries get involved with Wars & Shit, when they've got bad enough problems of their own.
Especially economic problems.
Its nice that they're willing to help, but surely every country is capable of sorting this themselves.
There are no intentional war crimes, there is no new hitler and this certainly is not the holocaust all over again, remember, what you see in the news is the view of your government, not what is happening.
how can there be a war crime? war itself is a massive crime, to assume there will be rules followed during a war is silly
I agree with vannaroth on this bit, that it isn't "The" Holocaust all over again. There have been a great deal of acts of genocide throughout human history. This is just another one, caused by people in power refusing to settle things peacefully.Originally Posted by availer
To anybody who thinks it can't be done - vannaroth, in another thread, discussed the IRA ordeal in the UK. That was resolved peacefully, as he pointed out.
To those who think this will always be happening, and that it happens everywhere, etc, hence we can't do anything about it... well, I live in Michigan - and it isn't happening here. So, obviously, it can be resolved, and made to go away, because it doesn't happen everywhere, or all the time.
War crimes are considered as such because they are intentionally carried out. Maybe not so much so these days, as people don't register the fact that they are considered war crimes (people in power, such as presidents, kings, etc).
And some of us opt to watch raw footage, so we do see what is happening (+ some of us opt to sign up as volunteer aid-workers to distribute food, clothing, medical supplies, and are set to go there as soon as our schooling is done, and summer hits, hence, some of us, will be able to speak a little bit more honestly in the future about this, although not quite yet (assuming we don't die)).
@ Others
I would like to know how it is that Israel shelled the UN HQ in Gaza, despite there being no terrorists, militants, or otherwise someone who could possibly deviate from a civilian status, within the compound?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055761.html
And please, don't try to spout out something about the Haaretz being biased against Israel? It is their national media, and the most pro-Israel media outlet of them all. Even Israeli soldiers and civilians, by and large, know that it was a deliberate, illegal assault on human-aid workers and civilians.
@ Overall outlook of this
Yes, I think warcrimes are being committed. On both sides, obviously. Hamas purposefully targets civilians, but so does Israel; in retribution or as a sort of provoking things for themselves (potential excuses to perform another land grab, or even to install a permanent "peace force" of their own?), that is up for debate.
@ Side-topic
I noticed that Prime Minister Olmert had stated that the only solution is for the Hamas faction to never have weapons again, etc. Considering Hamas was democratically elected... that infers that he wants the Palestinians, in general, to be disarmed, for good. That seems to be a bit of a problem, as it infers he does not want them to be capable of self defense. To be fair... should the Palestinians be permanently disarmed, so should the Israelis be disarmed.
*awaits racist remarks as to how Palestine has more bad people than Israel, hence Israel keeps their nukes and guns and Palestine doesn't*
Interesting facts:
1) You have no control over rockets and missiles when they're fired. The school thing was an unfortunate event of the missile.
2) Believe it or not. Men in Gaza hide underground in basements and stuff while they put women and children above ground because they knew missiles will fire at them and they want to make their enemies look like they're the evil one by killing innocent children and women when the men are cowards and hiding underground.
That's the perfect answer right there, my friend.
BUT!
We're not dealing with a nation with organized government here (even though Gaza is independent of Israel) , it's Israel vs. the Hamas. the Hamas is a terrorist organization, just like the Taliban, for example, is.They have seized control over what we know as 'Palestine' a few years back. They are pretty much malevolent dictators like Saddam was, only that they seem to make Palestine into an actual nation and country.
Therefore, (well, at least I believe so), you never negotiate with a terrorist. NEVER EVER negotiate with a terrorist. It only encourages more acts of terror.
This is why I believe it is pointless to 'agree' on a cease-fire with them - they'll break it anyway, as soon as they are fully equipped again and all that, and will only be encouraged to launch more rockets, more frequently, and to even further cities.
I don't understand neither, man.
The dog's ain't chained at all actually, as it roams free and terrorizes me, and when I tried to give it some meat as a gesture of kindness and peace, it tried to tear my whole arm off and just kept attacking me more aggressively. It went on and on for many days, so I couldn't take it anymore, and decided it is best to anesthetize the dog and put an end to this madness.
I will explain:
Gaza is not a part of the country Israel anymore, and neither are other Palestinian territories - we've withdrawn all our civilians from the Palestinian territories, gave them complete independence from Israel. We even gave them the whole region Gush Katif as a gesture of peace. Yet still, rockets and mortars launched by the Hamas keep falling in our cities, and now, they are utilizing rockets with longer range, and can attack further than they did before. Israel haven't responded to these attacks for 8 years or so by now. So basically, we just couldn't allow them to harm our civilians anymore, that's why the Israeli Defense Forces (AKA Israeli army) attacked Gaza - in order to stop the rocket fire, and rescue an Israeli soldier who was kidnapped a few years ago, not in pursuit of revenge or conquest. It is nothing more and nothing less.
You know...I've read this entire thread and it's so ironic how Hitlers name is part of the thread title. Since if it wasn't for Hitler then everything happening today and since this war first started wouldn't be taking place. I bet he's laughing in his grave.
Netrogor
In reply to '@Canon' I think what you have just done is blown in all out of proportion in order to glorify yourself, and trying to disguise it.
This whole war that's happening right now is NOTHING compare to other crimes that are going on in this world. War crime happens in every war there is, To say such thing never happen, Is pure Ignorance.
Of course war crimes happen, it's just in this case it just so happens to be the killing of civilians, if the Hamas hide behind civilians what do you expect? Let them hide and gather?
This whole thread is blown out of proportion, We can't have a decent discussion without somebody going Fox news on your ass.
The onu didnt make anything against this situation? i just came back from vacations and i dont know nothing about this .
israel targetet these UN skls on purpose,ana also the paramedic staff and hospitals with the latest,strongest,most accurate weapons and forbidden ones like white phosphorus ,israel is eradicating ppl in ghaza israel wants palestinians to leave ghaza ana go to sinai in egypt then they say that palestinians atk them 4rm there so they will fight bac and occupy the area 4rm nile to forat rivers aand fullfill the prophicy then their own christ appears after they killed the real christ and their christ rule the world 4rm this holy land bull shit that wont happen
No it doesnt, i'm sorry for being a little heavy handed here but take your silly views back to nursery.
thnx for the explanation , btw its true? i read in a arg forum that israel have quimical weapons O.o???
Are you being serious or are you just taking the piss now?
MAN, what are you smoking?
And where do I get some? :D
Before the attack should put these innocent people in a safe place.
jesus christ stop trying to make connections to the holocaust, this is nothing even approaching the same scale.
Yes, for you went into the past and got ground breaking evidence of everything that happened. OR, you're a genius Historical Scholar.
No, your Vannaroth, who went and googled or checked wikipedia for general facts on this matter.
"History is always written by the victor,"
1) Israel has some of the most advanced missiles in the world. They're extremly accurate.
2) The palestinian warriors are hiding underground, most likely to not die themselves.
well I dont know about 'genius' but the rest is technically correct I guess
what comparisons are there to be drawn between this and the holocaust, exactly?
There is no comparisons and I'm getting fed up with people mentioning the Holocaust. This is nothing like it what so ever. Back when Hitler was leading the 3rd Reich out of 12 Million Jews, roughly 10 Million were exterminated. And for the most ridiculous reasons I've ever heard of, so whats going off today is nothing like what happened in the Holocaust.
By saying I can't speak honestly about what is happening on the ground floor of this situation at this moment in time, but hope to in the future... I am glorifying myself?
You, sir, are a forums-troll.
@ "Scalinators"
I think it is disturbing that people feel this can't be compared to an atrocity, such as the Holocaust, based on the "scale" of the outcome, and not the actions that lead to it. -_-
huh? the whole reason we call it the Holocaust is because of its unprecedented scale. there have been holocausts before but nothing to that extent - so actually scale has everything to do with it. You think we'd put that 'the' in front of it if the death toll was around one thousand? there is no comparison to be made here and hopefully it'll stay that way.
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