Mhh.. your party is led by Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il, some of the most evil men to ever walk the Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
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Mhh.. your party is led by Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Kim Jong Il, some of the most evil men to ever walk the Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
Say ull pay an extra 900$ a month.
The communism i refer to and wish to implement is the communism that has never been on this earth. Countries like russia have altered it from what Karl Marx had originally had intended. Like i said to you before. Originally communism was sought to eliminate all social classes. No one has accomplished this because of pure incompetence. =/Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
Well im GI Joe then ;)
Communism is good on paper, terrible when implemented. No social class in today's community is impossible...people are 2 greedy.
Materialism is strong indeed, yes. But it doesn't mean it's impossible to eliminate all social classes. May not happen in our life time, but eventually it might.Quote:
Originally Posted by wounded
I challenge you to seperate practice from theory or find a means to do so. If you cannot do this, then your entire "Look at me, I stand out because I'm a communist!" ordeal falls through the floor.
edit: And please don't try to dance around that request with propoganda and words you believe that no one will try to bother to understand, which would be a typical communist response.
I'm still trying to figure out a way to seperate practice from theory, but don't make me sound like some type of attention whore just because i say i'm a communist. "Look at me, i stand out because I'm a communist!" <-- Bullshit. That's not exactly my goal in life. All i want is to make it so people aren't dying on the streets from day to day simply because they don't get the oppertunities they deserve in life. Perhaps you should research this a little more extensively. The flaw problem in this is that you need to work around human behavior, hard to do. But there is a way i'm sure of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
I'm sorry that my cat has caused a political/socialist storm! :roflmao: :bye2:
This is the only relevant thing you said in your reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
People have been trying to find a way to seperate practice from theory for hundreds of years now - it always fails.
Because its impossible to perfectly model everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
Also your comment about evil men is flawed, its all down to prespective. In their eyes they only wish to better themselves and the people in their imediate surroundings. Do you think Hitler would have done what he did it he believed it was evil and wrong? No, he did it because he believed it was the right thing to do in his warped mind.
Also materialism wont really be gone until everyone has everything they could possibly want, most likely by some sort of startrek style replicator/hologram technology imo. Which most likely wont happen in any of our lifetimes.
Back on topic, the best thing you can do is ask, if she says no give to your perants. Yourll still see it etc, just dont kill it. :( Also dont give it to PETA, its as good as dead >_ > Better off on the street 0o
That's irrelevant. You basically asked me to find a way to make communism a good possibility(And it already is), i gave my answer and moved onto other things i thought were important to mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
Communism may have 1 major flaw but let's take a good look at capitalism. Hundreds of significant flaws.
1) When people are starving to death on the streets. There's something wrong with your current system.
2) When people care more about money than other people. There's something wrong with your current system.
3)When altruism is slowly fading away from existance. There's definately something wrong with your system. This may be because, well. No one wants to help others because they're too damn greedy/worried about themselves. Yet another cause of this capitalist bullshit.
I don't understand how the hell you people evidently disagree with the general concept of communism(If you actually know what real communism is) Do i have to feed the conclusion to you people?
1) Death is nature, we all die. The faster you come to terms with this the better really, we are not immortal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
2) Self preservation.
3) Thats why there are charitys helping communist countrys? Really people should be able to work for themselves and we wouldnt need people to be altruists. If someone uses there time to make money they deserve the right to choose what to with it. If they choose to give the money to people who dont work, fair enough. If they choose to use it to better themselves, good for them. You do not have the right to tell them otherwise.
*back on topic, yes so did you uh keep the cat?*
A typical communist response when your party is being threatened by opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
My prediction came true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
One major flaw? What's that - it never works and always leads to evil dictators wanting to take over the world?
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Originally Posted by Robert
1) So you're saying we should allow people to needlessly die on the streets? You sound like a social darwinist. Which is purely wrong.
2) Greed/Obsession = "Self Preservation" which is why the world is the way it is. People think they need more and more for themselves so they take it. Causes violence, exploitation of drugs, wars, and much more.
3) No. There should be LAWS created to tax people to help other people out or perhaps we could redirect some of the existing taxes taking your money and give it to someone less fortunate than yourself and give them the oppertunity to have a decent life. You shouldn't have that right to have 100% freedom with your money as other people sure as fuck do not and are suffering because they have none. As for the charities for communist countries comment, i don't know where you got that from. Prove that if you will :).
I just can't understand it. How can you and many more people go through life and just disregard everyone else who happens to be dying for stupid and preventable reasons? You people must learn to care.
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Yes, Kaoii. That's a typical communist response. Ok buddy. I'm done arguging with you until you evidently become LESS ignorant on the concept of communism. If you want to continue, please. Feel free to PM me your skewed bullshit capitalist perspective. Thanks =).
Edit #2:I thought i should comment on this to. Like i said before(But you don't like reading what i say:frown:) The real communist style of government has NEVER been implemented... "EVER". So i don't see how it could "always" lead to evil dictators wanting to take over the world. People who are not true communists come into power and twist communism into more of a dictatorship. Jim Cong in korea is a perfect example of this. But still, like i said. The communism karl marx invented, has not actually been put to the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
*Goes back on topic*
I love kittens. :P
The least you could do is at least change the name of your party to something less threatening. I agree with many of the real "communist" views, however the notion of the communist party completely off-sets everything. A name change would open my mind to your political views a bit more.
However, as far as it presently goes - your party's record is humiliating and disgraceful, which only reaffirms nearly all of my points.
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Originally Posted by Kaoii
I edited my post..
Great idea! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pieman
Update on the cat situation (as interesting as the rest of the thread is!):
I've told me landlady and her response was 'I'll think about it' but she wanted to know how long I was intending on renting the property for. I told her for as long as I am happy with the property and she is happy with me.
So, it's looking promising so fingers crossed I won't have to abandon my cat (or drown him!).
1) I dont think about which party im in, i dont really have a choice. Personaly the death of others ive never even heard of doesnt effect me, and i think that is a purely human response. Again using wrong, that is pure prespective. To you it might be the worse thing in the world, to another it might be the answer to all our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
2) How did you work that out then? Self presevation means to me trying to keep yourself alive. This extends to my general family and close friends, i could easily sell out someone i dont know to keep my family and friends alive. Yes this could extend to money aswell, having money helps keep people alive. Now im not talking about the rich and famous people here, i disagree with them all tbfh (scientists should be the famous people not someone whos been on big brother for a few months ffs) there i can see your point. But that would be hypocritical of me to expect other people to look after others when i myself do not. If they wish to do so then its there choice.
3) There are laws for such things, NHS for one, most more wealthy people go for private care but they still pay taxs. Taxs are on basicly everything you buy or everyday you work. There are always going to be diffrent classes, ones who work and ones who dont. Then there are the diffrent jobs, surely a doctor and scientist whos spent years learning how to do what they do deserves more respect than one who cleans sewers. One of these people are easily replaces, the other is not and as such will always get more respect.
Good news :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mumbles