Like I said I have had first hand experience with people contemplating Suicide, your naivety is astounding. Final Response to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaruna
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Like I said I have had first hand experience with people contemplating Suicide, your naivety is astounding. Final Response to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaruna
Nah, you falling for attention seekers is. Everyone knows a couple of people who say "My life sucks", "I feel like killing myself", shit like that. You think they'll do it? They're usually people who hate their parents because they're not getting what they want. Or feel the world is against them because they get picked last at gym. :/: If you experienced it first hand atleast tell me more about it to make your point. If not I assume it's a kid of your age who went emo and you think that it's something to worry about. Everyone has ran into those kind of people at age 13-18 or so. Less then 10 words will help with them for sure because that's enough attention you've feed to them, goodjob, you saved a life...
not really
I must say I respect Zaruna's opinion and do agree with the logic in some ways, now the delivery leaves a lot to be desired but some of the logic is palatable.
If someone is so convinced that life is so horrible, and will never change, to the point of suicide is the only option, there is nothing in 10 WORDS you can do to change that...it will take many YEARS of therapy and a DESIRE from the person to actually try and make it work.
MOST people that announce they are going to do it are truly crying out for help, because they do not really want to go through with it, or just want the attention. Most suicides that occur are completely random, friends and family are usually not even aware there is an issue.
As for the "strength of people", there is no template that states how emotionally strong people are, some are stronger than others....some break easier than others. I myself have been in the situation used as an example here....I was once homeless, thousands of miles away from any family, who couldn't afford to help even if they were 5 feet from me, with only the clothes on my back.
I stayed in a shelter for 3 weeks before landing a job at a car wash and getting my own place, 10 years later I now own 2 car washes.
Not once during my homeless bit did I even breathe a thought of ending it all...so generalizing people based on what their life like at that moment is not accurate. Being homeless is just YOUR worse case scenario.
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On a side note....does no one here believe that a person is in control of their own destiny? Only they can make their life either livable or not? I understand there are times where mental issues are beyond your control, even in those cases sometimes people use the diagnosis as a crutch....
Just curious.
We all want our friends to kill themselves and obviously don't want to help them...
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Originally Posted by Cyndaquil
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That's a horrible translation lol
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Originally Posted by Monolith
Only one that actually has a clue, thank you.
I also agree that the way I said things was, well. bad XD but it's just a really stupid thread. Less then 10 words just won't do, just talking about it won't do. People actually have to see another way out so that they won't go with the last option.
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Originally Posted by Cyndaquil
Pretty accurate actually, I was thinking almost 1:1 after reading these last few replies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monolith
With that being said. I'm a huge advocate of "if they want to die, let em". The way I see it. It's their life, regardless of what's wrong with them, it's how they were born. If they want to blow their brains out, then by all means. Don't let me stop you. Just make sure you don't make a mess. Someone has to clean up after you. I've thought about it, almost a daily routine at this point. No one knows though, because I'd likely be deem "crazy", so I keep it to myself. If I do happen to take my .40 and put one through my head. I'll do so in a manner that leaves less of a mess to clean up.
I.E people kill themselves for various reasons, one guy did it because he was bored of life. Another did it because he lost everything. It's not black and white, nor is there a blanket big enough to put over the wide range of cases there'd been up til now.
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If you're sure, go ahead. Don't leave a mess.
Well...there's variables...if children are involved..I mean it is your life, but if you have children they depend on you.
Everyone obviously has different approaches, But y'all already know we don't our friends to commit suicide.<br>Though most people here def. have a point- a soft approach is always good for someone in deep depression.
To be honest, I don't know why so many people dislike the comments made by @Zaruna. Someone who leaves a notice of killing him- or herself is someone who wishes to be stopped and does not want to die, but doesn't know any other way.
Other than the notices, you can't stop someone who's suicidal with 10 words, you might not be able to stop someone with a thousand. These organisations who try to stop suicides are merely stalling them and stuffing the people with medication that is supposed to help, but takes all their personality away, because it's 'kind'. Good job, an individual became a hard working plant. Instead of therapy or medication, a suicidal person has to be shown that there are people that care for the person and that he/she is needed and loved by others. A suicide is the ultimate decision and perhaps the easiest for the person in action to perform, but the weakest. A person is capable of enduring the hardships in this shit and biased world, but shouldn't be pushed to this extend. Why does someone arrive at the point of suicide? It is because in a long timespan, the person was shown that the world doesn't need him/her. Rejection, Underachieving, Loss of a friend or sibling, etc, are things that need time to heal and everyone has their own way of dealing with such events. If they follow up after eachother, it will result in depression and eventually, after a long time, death. Of course, not everyone has to experience such a result. Humans are identical. One might have a stronger will than another and will not be broken that easily, which is what I think @Supicioso means.
I currently am dealing with someone who is suicidal and has attempted to take his life two times now, of which I wasn't present at the first attempt. The second however made clear that he didn't want to die, but couldn't find any other way to get rid of the constant pain. I've talked with him for 3 hours straight to get him out of it and I would do it again any other day.
I am pretty dissapointed seeing this wishful thinking here and the ignorance that different people may have different perspectives. A suicide differs per person. You can't label people and you can't decide for anyone what they should think or do. This grew out into a discussion, not a one-sided bullying.
If there's a will there's a way. Just find one for that person. If the person is serious. Then they need serious help. They need to reach out and talk to people who care about them regardless of who they are: http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
You honestly gotta care at least somewhat. Or I lose all respect for you. Have some morality please. And don't judge people. It's just not worth it.
Your life is number 1 priority. Fight for your life, and people who are suicidal. Fight for theirs too. If you don't, that guilt will crawl into you once their dead. And you will always think of what could've been. And that's not an option.
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If you need friends. Or need care. Find some1 that is caring. And reach out to people. If you wanna talk to anyone on these forums, you could probably message 10 of them, and I'm sure one of them would let you talk to them. Me included.
Suicide is a serious thing. I wouldn't take it lightly. But anyway. that's my opinion.
Also. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It just happens. Just like how war is without rhyme or reason. And many other things.
Well, if someone has really given up on life and really wants to die.. i would say.. "Go ahead, i'll take care of the funeral works.."
edit: well, its a CRIME to commit suicide in my country, there is next to zero chance of someone being able to say anything close to persuading someone from suicide.
the only time that i actually heard someone does that, its a reassuring gesture to someone else who has 4th stage lung cancer, standing on top of the hospital roof, with huge debts from bills and loans, and not wanting to burden his family, he jumped.
The person who reassure him paid for his funeral and works, and then was charged in court and jailed for assisting in suicide.
I had a few old people tell me that they wished to die, but the law and the country NOT only do not want to let them die, but keep letting them pile up bills and debts which non of them nor their family can pay. They often say that this type of living, is worse than death.
My mum got to a point where she was going to commit suicide. Me and dad were by her side the whole time reminding her reasons to live. We got a dog, and his companionship is what pulled her back. Billi is more than just a pet, Billi saved my mum.
So yeah, telling my mum to stop being a lil bitch didn't work.
Do not suicide, it's hard to get rid of dead bodies nowadays.
I love how some of you are disliking posts you simply don't like/hate, Obviously everyone had a different pace in life, Some have a tough way of showing that they care because that's what they also got- not everyone had that' loving and caring person to talk to/depend-on at their very emotional state.
But obviously we care because we've been there.
@Cyndaquil
Kind of Childish, You do know that this thread was made for opinions right?