Originally Posted by wounded
Rumors of tension. Waggoner and Dingmann both noted that there was talk that they may have been an end to a cease fire in Nigeria, and said those rumors could have pushed up prices as well.
Same page you took it ;)
Rumors of tension. Waggoner and Dingmann both noted that there was talk that they may have been an end to a cease fire in Nigeria, and said those rumors could have pushed up prices as well.
Same page you took it ;)
Fine point. Though I'm not against leaders who like to flex a bit of military muscle every now and then, I'm against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad due to all the anti-Israel, Holocaust denying, militia-arms-supplying bullshit. He needs to die, should someone sensible replace him then that's fine.
Also, I've not got any problems with Arabs in the UK, bar the idiots who think they can adopt Sharia law over here.
Main problem is that he doesnt do SHIT there , he's just a face , he doesnt order shit , but the Religious guys behind him ( Thats the real rulers )
Main problem is that sometimes what he says its for Internal consume , but unfortunately the Media dont have nothing else to do and pass those words as a Major thingie
If he actually was killed it would be worse , from all those guys he's actually the stable one Believe me
p.s.: Well Holocaust or not , i can tell you the amount of people that died in Palestina for me its the same shit ( It seems that Israel wants to cleanse them because "Its Written" that its their promised land ( Funny was that somehow that land grow up with a few wars and it was an agreement with the UK )
Honestly the problems we do have now on those regions its mostly blaming the UK/USA , because like it or not , in the past their action made this hate
Iran - well the USA actually supported Iraq on the Iraq-Iran war , the CIA gaved Stingers to Afeghany freedom fighters to kick Soviets
The Israel we see now its due to agreements on WWI-WWII and also the Arab-Israel War(1945) and the 6 day war (1967) ( Palestina was under the UK Rule / The USA was the first country to recognize the State of Israel )
And well the Israel / Arab problem goes for like almost 1500 years , jesus , The Christians Crusade was just a small thing ( Well we just wanted "our" share :P ) , but its Funny to see the root of all problems being also the Root of the major Religions )
Edit: Not even gonna mention the Yom Kippur War and the UN Partition plan for Palestine in 1947
War in inevitable unless Iran stops enriching uranium. They are a threat as long as they continue to do so.
Iran is instigating the U.S and Israel to make the first move. Iran is willing to retaliate against any military attack by hitting Tel Aviv.
First off I want to say to those that are calling Americans idiots: get your facts straight.
Someone posted that someone in Europe may know where the US and two other countries are(European countries I assume) while someone in the US might point out Brazil as an Arab country.
What are you retarded? The US is in the middle of North America so it's hard not to know where it is. And someone living in Europe that hears news about European affairs all day long will probably get to learn where other countries are too.
In the US the average Joe will usually hear news about affairs in the United States. Primarily the news will be in their state and it would only be secondarily that you would hear news about other states(usually crimes, court dealings, etc).
The "average Joe" would not listen to news about happenings in Europe unless it deals with the US being in Europe. Or maybe something about a musician doing a concert or a Queen breaking her right-pinky(just being sarcastic).
Most shows that you may watch that make fun of American ignorance are very biased. They don't show the people that get it right(why would they?). They only show the people that get it wrong and a variety of things can affect that such as their level of education or their level of interest.
Guess what? I regret that I am interested in the world's political affairs because it is a disgusting and terrible muck to drag my feet through.
And I want to be straightforward about this....
We probably wouldn't be in Iraq if people would stop whining about global warming and the polar bears. Why?
Well it isn't JUST global warming and polar bears but also people's need to want to protect the nature in Alaska.
We aren't getting at much oil from Alaska as it has to offer and we also aren't getting much oil from the Gulf. Why? Because Congress tells the drilling companies whether they can drill or not and currently Congress is bound to say "No" because of trees and...the polar bear.
That may seem naive or it may seem silly. But think about it...
If we're worried about oil why the hell would we even care about the Middle East if we had a supply greater than the Middle East's(which many speculate the supply in Alaska may well be greater than the Middle East's)?
Bleh.....
They "test fired" to show off their cahones.
I'd do that same thing...test fire missiles just to show people I can...
K say we're running out of water.
There are two last reserves of water, both in large quantities.
1 Quantity is supporting a habitat of fish, plants, etc..
2nd Quantity is kept protected by people.
You can't find a good reason (that the rest of the world would believe) to kill off the fish and take their water, they have nothing against you...you can't have anything against them, but you can find a reason to kill the people and take theirs.
But I don't really support that the main reason that US invaded Iraq was oil...but it is a perk they got from invading it nonetheless.
As for Alaska, unless the oil can be harvested without hurting the habitat...it should be left restricted.
And for the map example...it just goes to show that Americans are a bit ignorant about the rest of the world, and that they don't take much initiative to step out and learn about the world. Open an Atlas and study it for a bit, just so you know what's where.
On a show I saw a TV host ask a person what country America should attack next, the person replied North Korea, and pointed at Australia...
And as for the 'cahones'... I think that the Iranians test fired their missiles, to show that they're 100% serious and mean business if they are attacked...that they might very well cause some serious damage to US' point of interest in the Middle East.
hey interesting theories
look here is the bomb
i am egyptian,arabic ,muslim guy :P
i play kalonline and sin on players yeah cuz i a terrorist :P
i listen to 50 cent and britney and Tiesto and german ,french pop
i am in the faculty of medicine to learn how to kill ppl by drugs cuz iam a terrorist :P
the greeting of muslims=peace be upon u pr peace of god be upon u
so yeah this greeting is why we are terrorists :P
enough joking
i read qur'an cut it purfies my soul and gives me peace,islam dun force any one to join it ,cuz it is forbidden and against human rights provided by god not by humans
btw ISLAM=being peacful as SLAM=peace
the greeting of muslims=peace be upon u pr peace of god be upon u
so yeah this greeting is why we are terrorists :P
enough joking
look there is 2 points of view as i am arbaic about why usa is in middle east
1-cuz yeah they want to have the oil
2- to protect israel
media managed by cia and mosad promotes that arabs and muslims are terrorists as palestinians try to defend their occupied land
usa wants oil so it said iraq has nuke and when they attacked iraq there were no nuke :D
and killed saddahm hussein who was motivated by usa before to attack kuwait and iran and at the same time usa had hidden plans they supplied kuwait and iran with weapons to beat iraq's army
hollywood is so gr8 man and with the media the image of muslims and arabs became so bad
hey in every country u will find arabs and muslims if u met them can u tell me what is ur impression
so if u call me terrorist i will smile cuz i know i am not :D
Ps You forgot to point where were the 2 countries , Still if you read the entire thread we're talking about majoritys and minorities and the Majority of the Americans is actually "idiot"
The Average John in Europe actually does get 50% of the USA news on their News time on tv ( If not well there is always sat Tv - Honestly i can tell you that i do keep one of my TV's On CNN when i'm not watching any series )In the US the average Joe will usually hear news about affairs in the United States. Primarily the news will be in their state and it would only be secondarily that you would hear news about other states(usually crimes, court dealings, etc).
The "average Joe" would not listen to news about happenings in Europe unless it deals with the US being in Europe. Or maybe something about a musician doing a concert or a Queen breaking her right-pinky(just being sarcastic).
Most shows that you may watch that make fun of American ignorance are very biased. They don't show the people that get it right(why would they?). They only show the people that get it wrong and a variety of things can affect that such as their level of education or their level of interest.
Honestly if Dick Cheney had shot someone we in europe would know ( opss we did ) , if a Governor was blind but had smoked Cocaine , Cheated his wife and went to the hookers - we would have it as we were in the USA actually
Thats the main problem , the US ( specially the President ) forgets that any move its watched outside his country and not all like it
Just let me ask WTF you guys do in History ? that you kicked the British , French and the American Indians or it starts in the Independency day only
Like it or not , some Americans are ignorants , IF they actually wanna do EXTERNAL Politics they should learn Everything from the past till the present not just some 30 years bullshit
There arent other solutions for OIL ? Wind energy ? Solar ?Guess what? I regret that I am interested in the world's political affairs because it is a disgusting and terrible muck to drag my feet through.
And I want to be straightforward about this....
We probably wouldn't be in Iraq if people would stop whining about global warming and the polar bears. Why?
Well it isn't JUST global warming and polar bears but also people's need to want to protect the nature in Alaska.
We aren't getting at much oil from Alaska as it has to offer and we also aren't getting much oil from the Gulf. Why? Because Congress tells the drilling companies whether they can drill or not and currently Congress is bound to say "No" because of trees and...the polar bear.
In the INDUSTRIALIZATION PERIOD ( typo maybe ) They all used COAL , they evolved , why dont we take another step
Ps The problem isnt just global warming and the polar bear , its for instance CHINA actually starting to have capitalist moves and needing OIL ( and since they have money they get it ) , Its having INDIA also getting better and need more resources , ( Jesus if in India/China they all get cars as the same % as the USA/Europe , we actually will be fucked up )
Look to certain Arab countries , they are actually investing in Turism since they actually DO KNOW oil doesnt last forever
hehe I wonder how long will take to attack Canada just to make it easier to get the oil ;)That may seem naive or it may seem silly. But think about it...
If we're worried about oil why the hell would we even care about the Middle East if we had a supply greater than the Middle East's(which many speculate the supply in Alaska may well be greater than the Middle East's)?
Bleh.....
Well if you actually were smart you would be kissing Chavez ass and get the oil from them , but opss they're Commies , They're bad
Ps did you knew that it seems that they actually didnt fired a full round of missles and the pictures were doctored ? Funny to see that manipulationThey "test fired" to show off their cahones.
I'd do that same thing...test fire missiles just to show people I can...
But well its not the 1st time the Media doctors pictures just to increase the impact of the news
شهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
Perhaps you should go to the nearest dictionary and look up the word "ignorant" and the word 'idiot'?Ps You forgot to point where were the 2 countries , Still if you read the entire thread we're talking about majoritys and minorities and the Majority of the Americans is actually "idiot"
Do you honestly think you know how to handle politics better than people that have been doing it for quite some time? We can learn from the past but at the same time we cannot. Why? Because this isn't the past. This is the 21rst Century. We have new enemies with new capabilities.The Average John in Europe actually does get 50% of the USA news on their News time on tv ( If not well there is always sat Tv - Honestly i can tell you that i do keep one of my TV's On CNN when i'm not watching any series )
Honestly if Dick Cheney had shot someone we in europe would know ( opss we did ) , if a Governor was blind but had smoked Cocaine , Cheated his wife and went to the hookers - we would have it as we were in the USA actually
Thats the main problem , the US ( specially the President ) forgets that any move its watched outside his country and not all like it
Just let me ask WTF you guys do in History ? that you kicked the British , French and the American Indians or it starts in the Independency day only
Like it or not , some Americans are ignorants , IF they actually wanna do EXTERNAL Politics they should learn Everything from the past till the present not just some 30 years bullshit
And I also tend to read up on European news but it just so happens that it is usually something political. Go figure...you mentioned two political affairs that EVERYONE would know about but you didn't mention the double homicide at Walmart that happened a year and a half ago in Georgia.
Did you know about the crazy-guy(forget his name if they had it) that killed several people in the Amish country of Pennsylvania? Perhaps the shooting at Virginia Tech?
We don't hear about EVERYTHING that happens just like people in Europe don't hear about EVERYTHING that happens here unless you actually dig or unless you actually care.
Omg...another alternative power person? How about this....There arent other solutions for OIL ? Wind energy ? Solar ?
In the INDUSTRIALIZATION PERIOD ( typo maybe ) They all used COAL , they evolved , why dont we take another step
Ps The problem isnt just global warming and the polar bear , its for instance CHINA actually starting to have capitalist moves and needing OIL ( and since they have money they get it ) , Its having INDIA also getting better and need more resources , ( Jesus if in India/China they all get cars as the same % as the USA/Europe , we actually will be fucked up )
Look to certain Arab countries , they are actually investing in Turism since they actually DO KNOW oil doesnt last forever
Someone figure it out and THEN we switch to its usage. In the mean time our only real source of energy for cars is oil. We need oil...we still use coal.
I would say Nuclear power but most people that live outside of the US mention Chernobyl. Because you know that WASN'T in the US and it was at a time where it wasn't fully understood.
And then people cry about nuclear waste. Fine...then we use solar power! Oh wait...you can drive about 30 minutes maybe.
Wind? Yah you need a lot of land and a lot of consistently sustained wind to power your toaster for 10 seconds.
Why would we attack Canada? We bought Alaska a while back and we didn't know why. Now we know and people are using environmental laws to restrict drilling there.hehe I wonder how long will take to attack Canada just to make it easier to get the oil ;)
Well if you actually were smart you would be kissing Chavez ass and get the oil from them , but opss they're Commies , They're bad
And we could kiss Chavez's ass so much that we catch his herpes...he wouldn't like it. We do not support Communism...that is that. You do? It doesn't make sense...it just...doesn't. And NO that is not coming from someone that has lived in a Capitalist economy his whole life. That's coming from someone that has studied Capitalism, Communism and Socialism. That's coming from someone that has studied archaic forms of economy like traditional and agricultural.
It doesn't make sense for the people.
Edit: O' and if you disagree then please tell me why...
Last edited by Akaruz; 11-07-08 at 09:16 PM. Reason: Added something/reverted to normal
stupid forum , wrote it on your post bah
*sigh* You don't seem to understand what I was saying....
The only news people in Europe here about the US is news that is actually big. The salmonella tomatoes were big news because several people were infected and yes the produce is checked but guess what? It is unfortunate that sometimes bad produce slips out and people eat it. Good thing salmonella isn't quite as deadly as it may sound(even to the elderly or children).
I'll explain.
It's deadly to the elderly that are usually more than 70 years old that shouldn't be eating tomatoes anyways. And it's deadly to very young children that aren't supposed to be eating tomatoes at that age.
The tomatoes that are used to make sauce, etc are either not grown here(meaning the sauce is imported) or they grow their own(meaning they check them so they don't get the boot) since it would be quite easy to find out where the contamination was.
And most people don't know what Socialism really is. Socialism is in between the extremes: Communism------Socialism------Capitalism
All three systems have their own flaws but it's whether or not the people are educated as to what these flaws are that makes a country truly understand what economy would be best for them.
I don't see either Communism OR Socialism are the "buggyman"(or w/e you said) simply because I've been to countries with both.
You want something to worry about? Worry about totalitarianism not Communism.
**Sorry I'm jumping around your post here and not quoting but people can read**
Recent cases of river pollution from Nuclear power? Cite your sources and I'll read up. Unfortunately building a nuclear power plant next to a river is....stupid. Either that or someone wasn't paying attention when they signed off on it.
And as for the Alaska comment...I never said we bought it for the Oil.
And do not try to call China socialist. China is a strange country who likes to call themselves whatever they want with their free economy but they bend the rules for themselves and it doesn't quite make sense.
Yes, they are doing very well but so was the United States.
Do you know what a roller coaster is? Every economy is much like a roller coaster. You have your peaks and you have your troughs. You have your recessions and you have your inflation. You have your ups and downs and flip all arounds.
The mortgage issues in the US are quite pathetic and I don't understand why people did it but hopefully it will eventually be worked out because despite what people think if the US doesn't have an economy to trade to then the moneygrubbers in other countries are going to get antsy.
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Our friend Saden spouts too much bullshit to bother responding to, but I'll pick out a small bit just as an example.
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Nuclear power plants are very frequently built on shorelines or near rivers, so they can freely use the water for cooling, which such power plants need a very large amount of.
Nothing stupid about that.
Thanks i knew it was in France but wasnt able to find a stupid link for it
I didn't mean it was stupid to use the water for cooling but it is stupid to potentially contaminate a source of water.
Generally a river always leads to a larger body of water so contamination of any river can contaminate that larger source which can only cause even more issues.
There are ways to transport water.
Hell...according to Akaruz we can work with alternative energy sources so why don't we know how to safely transport water to a nuclear power plant without building the plant next to a river?
Hrmm...
And what do you mean I spout too much BS to bother responding to? It's easy to respond and I haven't spouted any BS.
Lately...
:o
Do take it easy, and try to stay on topic, this thread has gone way off course.
Three days in a row now that Iran has tested missiles...
There is nothing wrong with testing missiles, other countries all around the world test missiles. However, Iran is not a country that should not be trusted with ICBMs. Simply because the leader of Iran said he wants to "wipe Israel off the map" and he want to destroy Israel.
Now, the military advisers/generals are going to try to prolong their any Isreali offensive against Iran because they will ideally want the go ahead from the UK and US. This will not be a public incident. Don't expect to see the headlines reading "US gives goahead for Airstrike against Iran", but Isreal will most likely not launch an offensive unless its closest allies are fine with it, thats how international politics work.
However, if it comes down to the line where the Head Generals in Israel conclude that in the imminent future either Israeli citizens are going to die from Iranian missiles or Iranian citizens will die from an Israeli Air strike. What do you think Israel will do? Their citizens or ours? Israel will have no choice but to engage Iran in warfare.
All the pressure is really coming from Iran at this point. Because they are not willing to stop their uranium enrichment. It really appears that they are being given time to reach the potential of gaining nuclear weapons. Diplomatic means have failed thus far...and all the pressure is on Israel and the United States atm. It's a chess game with terrible consequences.
If they pressure Iran with sanctions too far, that might trigger a war...because it doesn't appear that they are willing to go about it through talks at this point.
If the United States and Israel don't attack Iran, Iran has the means of creating nuclear weapons...and a good way of delivering them as well.
If they do attack, Iran sends missiles flying everywhere: u.s points of interest, and Israel...and you get another war going.
North Korea went through a similar phase, but North Korea has a shitty economy, and it really didn't have a choice...but the countries are totally different, so who knows what's going to happen.
If that was to me sorry but where do i say that ? and if i do wasnt intended , i'm actually likeing hte conversation
According to experts only in 2010 Iran will get ICBM , 2,000 km missle isnt a ICBM ( I Think )
Iran will not do any thing untill USA or Israel make their move and i think that Iran will not be easily defeated and i saw a water missle which is under remote control and this will be a strong weapon against the marines also Iran has strong ally now Russia who is so pissed of now from USA missle shield in Europe
I am afraid of if Israel lost she would use the Nuke and kill every one in the zone including Egypt my home :S
so I dun war in this area
so i dun want a war bet Iran and Israel and
I'm liking it too but I find myself to be glass half-full and am just so annoyed about peoples opinions(I am closed minded when it comes to people that haven't quite proven intelligence to me and unfortunately that can't happen on the internet).
I know Americans are generally ignorant or plain stupid and it makes me sad that I really cannot do anything about it. I know where plenty of countries are in whatever continent you want to point out(not EVERY country...hell how many are there? :O) and it's sad that some Americans don't know how many Continents or Oceans there are.
Sigh...
I would much rather we pull out of Iraq and let them deal with their issues while we drill in Alaska. We don't have an alternative source of energy that could truly power everyone in the US and until we get one we have to use steam(coal...I'm sure we still use that), Nuclear power and Oil...
I'm all for solar power...I often find myself reading up on it and even trying to elementarily find out a way that it could be more efficient(I'm no scientist but hell...they can't even figure it out).
I would much rather everyone live in Peace because the Middle East is not the only issue in the world. Civil Rights, Humans Rights, US Economy, Education, Health...etc etc.
I also understand that peace can never really be reached even if the US wipes everyone out and everyone is fine with it...we would still be at war. Even the last two people standing would find some reason to kill each other. And sadly that last person would just kill themselves after maybe a few days of....indulgence.
And now getting back on topic.
I really don't think Iran is fit for any type of missile. I am not being ignorant nor am I being naive. Iran has voiced their distrust and hatred for several countries(mainly Israel) and even if(EVEN IF) the US were protecting Israel to protect an asset(of money) it would still be wrong to nuke Israel.
People say that it makes no sense that the US has nuclear capability along with several other countries and that we would rather not Iran have it.
Hell people...at least at SOME POINT in the last 60 years the US has stood for something somewhat good.
Can you say the same for Iran?
Looks like I'm double posting but just read this post after I made mine...
I am sorry you live there and I can realize your fear. I took a trip to Turkey three years ago that took a turn for the worse as someone in my tourism group had been shot.
Turned out it was by mistake...it was in A newspaper for a day and then I never found anything on it again. They didn't include a name and I didn't know her name so I can't find it online if it were even reported then.
At first we thought someone was killing tourists...then Americans...then our guide assured us that we weren't in danger because the woman who was shot was actually killed accidentally.
God knows that isn't any better news but I was frightened even though I was fairly sure that I was safe.
I can't compare it to your situation since that's basically a bomb that you're talking about....
I'm wondering the explosion radius of a single ICBM though. It can't be big enough to hit several countries at once...we don't have those weapons like the movies show simply because...well we don't. And even if WE did it would take a bit of research...something Iran wouldn't be able to do with its first ICBM.
From what I understand the US and Russia have been working to make ICBM's accurate but not highly explosive(not much of an explosion radius). Of course the explosion would destroy a lot but the only real thing that has changed is the size, speed and accuracy.
Aye, I can relate. I know what it's like. Not necessarily a nuke, but war in Kosovo.
Nobody wants war...but like Saden said, even if there is only 2 people left, there will be disagreements/war.
My biggest fear at the moment isn't that Isreal and US or Iran will attack or retaliate...it's that other countries of power might get involved - mainly China and Russia. Especially if US continues to pursuit areas in Europe for Radar and Missile Defense Sites.
Largest radius of an explosion ever recorded *note that's half of its potential:
thanks saden and wounded
u know that palestine(Israel ) is next to sinai(part of Egypt)
so when Israel decides to use Nuke it will be her last hope and will decide to kill every one in the area even she is included
and Egypt and other arab countries live in peace now and have their own problems
yeah China and Russia are so pissed off cuz they were against war in afganistan and Iraq and now Iran in addition to USA missle shield project in Europe which directly threatens Russia and China and the Middle East
I believe the Russians are angry because they are saying the radar to be deployed for the Missile Defense System in Poland(I think Czech refused) will compromise their national security.
Which doesn't make sense because they should have expected that Poland would want some sort of defense system since they are basically right next to a very unstable country....
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