Is my time up? The thoughts of NoPeace.

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    /\/\@573|2 NoPeace is offline
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    Is my time up? The thoughts of NoPeace.

    Knowing my luck this thread will be over looked just like all of my other threads.

    There comes a time in Ragezoner's life where he/she ponders this question. Regular users without a doubt do it but even mods like evilkitten, supermods like Beckeh and iod, even the head super mod Sipher has done it. I am sure many of you who are reading this has done it to. Have wondered if your time here at RaGEZONE is up.

    Before I go any futher I must appologies for my behavior recently. I have been a dick, bitch, asshole, and what ever else you may call me. I admit it and I am sorry for it. My recent actions have been uncalled for and I do not wish to give an excuse for them.

    Now back to the topic. I have been a member of RaGEZONE for a year and a half. An active member of the General section for just over a year. Became a mod of "The Others" and "Server Development" sections on the 23rd of September and then promoted to super mod in the beginning of February.

    Over this time I have been a big part of the RaGEZONE staff. I would have to say that I was one of the best mods that has came to RaGEZONE along with iod and Beckeh. There was a point in the beginning of this year when we was the three that did over 95% of the modding work done on this forum (bassed off of the mod management hack that displayed all of the work done at the time).

    For most of the time I was a mod here. I was enthusiastic and happy with it until serveral months ago. This was the same for my counterparts Bekceh and iod. Serveral months ago we started thinking what's the real point of being a mod? No one actually gave thanks for all of our hard work. That is when Beckeh first asked to be demoded and iod just stoped modding. I somewhat carried on. Doing what I saw needed to be done. Not taking that extra mile like we used to. Beckeh soon came back hopping there would be change but there wasn't.

    Out of us three I lasted the longest. iod just gave up long ago and Beckeh finnaly threw in the towel. As soon as Beckeh left for the final time I totally gave up trying. Doing as how MentaL put it "fake modding."

    To this date I am still annoyed at the fact that us three have yet to recive a proper thanks for the hard work and effort we put into the up keep of this forum. We would spend over 12 hours a day dedicated to the up keep of the forum. There was one moment in time when Beckeh actually recived a thank you from Sipher after she quite being a mod the frist time around. Tho that was only do to the fact that I basically told him to give her thanks. Not a real thanks in my honest opion. Hell I am not even asking for thanks on myself, but I am so annoyed for the fact that Beckeh never got a proper one. She was the life force of the staff and the true community of RaGEZONE and deserves a proper thanks.

    Saddly to say I have never actually felt like a member of the RaGEZONE community. Most of my experince here has been a mod. I may be one of the biggest spammers in RaGEZONE history but I was never a true member of the community. All but three of my threads that I have created have been all but totally ignored. Probally most if not all of my posts have been hated by the people here.

    There has been only three members that wasn't on the staff when I began talking to them. They was evilkitten, rsx, and darkrayne (whom I brought to RaGEZONE). Which is by far not a big feat when the rest of the people that I've talked to was on the staff and in total I have more hatters on here then supporters.

    Just thinking of this makes it seem like there is absolutly no point of me ever being here. I am well aware that I am not welcomed here and what little use that I had to offer is no longer needed. So there is no real point for being here.

    Tho RaGEZONE has givin me things that I am indebted to. It has givin me two pretty good friends, Beckeh and Sipher, and the love of my life, evilkitten (whom will probally kill me for letting that out in the open).

    So is this the end for me? Am I to suffer a fate like my two fellow conter parts Beckeh and iod. A fate that leave me to slowy but surely leave RaGEZONE. I really don't know. What I do know is that I could never give it up. Just like all members of the past, my presence will linger here. I will be lurking in the shadows and reading what is happening. But will I remain active? I do not know. I will just let the replies of this thread, if any, decide my actions to come.

    One last thing I must do is a few shot outs...

    MentaL: Dan, thank you for this site. There has been so much I have learned from here and so much that I have gained from here. Thank you loads my friend. Also if you ever need help with the forum again I'll gladly leand a helping hand again.

    Sipher: Danny, you are my bitch. My amigo. My compadre. My friend. Thanks for being a person that I can rely on talking to.

    Exclamatio: Lee, you can be such a rude bastard at times. Then at times you are the nicest guy. You are one person that is hard to decide upon. But heck, you are still a great guy in my books.

    Beckeh: I'm your other half as you always says. Nice and kind girl you are. You are the most careing person that I have ever met. Can be to careing for your own good at times but that isn't a bad thing. Only makes you that much better as a person.

    GohanSSJ: You are a total asshole. More then me. Never done anything to you but you have had this grudge against me since the beginning. Well I got you good in the end and you know what I am talking about.

    DonTonberry: Joe my man, you are one of a kind. A real riot. I still owe you and ass kicking and you better be looking forward to it when I go to the UK this winter. Other then that you are a great guy.

    Ionic & Schizo: You are just plain weird. Funny but weird.

    evilkitten: Cutie all I have to say to you is that I love you.

    Kaoii: Kaoii my man. You get angry to easily and do jump the gun at things, but at least you do rethink you decissions. You can come up with some of the must weirdest theroies but they are just great to listen to. I hope you do know that you are cool in my books.

    zorobz: Really have nothing to say to you other then stop kissing peoples asses and get what you can get on your own.

    darkrayne: I was the one who brought you here. Actually forced you to come here. Sorry for saying some nasty shit about you months ago, tho all of it was true. Shouldn't have told that stuff here and sorry for that.

    Nik-C: Another person who had it in for me in the beginning. Don't really know what the fuck is your problem man. But I would like you to know I DO HAVE A LIFE. I DO HAVE A GIRL. I AM NOT A FAT BASTARD ANY MORE. If anyone needs to change is your attitude towards others. You should be nicer to people and maybe one day you will realise it wasn't that bad.

    -=MR=-: You are a true spammer indeed.

    Hulkster: Really don't see why everyone hates you. I for one think you are a nice guy.

    Hybr!d: I really hate you man. You tried to rip off RaGEZONE before and then try to kiss our asses after she spammed the fuck out of your board. Hope you do know that even tho you constantly tried to kiss mine and iod's asses, we was looking for every which way to ban your sorry ass.

    Akaruz: You are a wierd one indeed. Nice guy but for the longest time I feared you. Don't really know why.

    sutsurikeru: Go to hell please. Mmmm'kay.

    RsX: You really need to stop trying so hard to get attention. You are a nice kid and all but that attention seeking part is your down fall. But still, you aren't bad.

    [lexx]: You are a big stiff. Lighten up and joke around alittle.

    b1zn4tch: You are just plain out annoying.

    NeoSparky: Feared you also. You are one strange woman but fun to chat and play games with.

    porn man: You are an immature annoying kid spammer.

    Negata aka Minas: You are a cool guy. Fun to joke around with. Long live the RZ Gay Crew

    Hydra: You're a nice guy. Not much else to say about you.

    Zeus: You are an annoying kid. Like with Hybr!d, me and iod was out to get you. Banned you serveral times and you just wouldn't stop being an ass kisser. That is what really annoyed me about you.

    Darkbahumut: Girl, I haven't ever did anything wrong to you. But like Nik-C and GohanSSJ, you have had it for me from the beginning. One thing you so need to do is learn that the world does not revolve around you. Once you learn that your life will be oh so much better.

    Devin: You are a fucking bard at the very least. You do nothing but spam and think you run the place. Just like Darkbahumut you think you are the center of the fucking world and you aren't. Most of all you are lower then dirt. How dare you pretend to be something that you are not. How dare you fucking insult your damn country like you did. If you was anywhere around where I lived. I would go up to you and beat the living hell out of you. Thoes men and women in Iraq are risking their lives for you. This isn't something for you to joke around like that. So grow the fuck up.

    There is no order to this list. Mostly just went down the top posters on the member list. Added a few that were banned an all.

    To all the mods. Leave this thread unaltered. Do not lock it. Most of all do not edit this post. I have never edited another mod's post or deleted it. I respected what you all had to say and what you all did. So you should at least show me the same respect as I did for you. If you delete this I'll make another post. If you edit this I'll reedit it.

    That is all.

    NoPeace - out
    Last edited by NoPeace; 28-08-05 at 08:45 AM.


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    Grand Master Obbob is offline
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    what can i say?
    Atleast this: Thanks for being a Mod, you did great and you all deserve a big Thanks for what you Mod's are doing.

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    Grand Master john_d is offline
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    well atleast i wasnt meantioned.. :) ( dunno if that is good or bad )

    good luck NoPeace,. with everything man.

    as u can see joined just about the same time. but modding was never my thing... and i actually think im bad at it. :)
    Last edited by john_d; 28-08-05 at 09:25 AM.

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    Sorcerer Supreme Lord_Inuyasha is offline
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    :(( Sadly but in hes whay he has spoke the true !i hope you enjoy your life from now on !

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    Sorcerer Supreme Zegro is offline
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    Yes, some things might be treu, well as NoPeace said "modding is hard, and we dont even get a thank you". well i hope its not to late for me ;). Becky, NoPeace, IOD, and offcourse the rest of the RZ staff, thank you for being here, and making this all possible

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    Grand Master Nik-C is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace

    Nik-C: I would like you to know I DO HAVE A LIFE. I DO HAVE A GIRL. I AM NOT A FAT BASTARD ANY MORE.
    Pure... Bullshit

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    Grand Master Hydra is offline
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    I can't say that I took much notice of the unfriendly exchanges between you and other members, so I'm not sure exactly what's caused this, however, I wish you good luck in all you do if you decide to leave RZ.

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    Grand Master Silveron is offline
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    you're a nice man nopeace, we were good pals back at the MU days.
    Im a section mod at a big community forum some other place, and i too have to deal with shitheads and assholes and i dont get a thanks in return.After half a year i gave up too, i dont wanna mod no more since all the work i do is unapreciated.
    Maybe you dont wanna mod any more, but at least hang around, talk with the rest of us

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    The Unbeatable GohanSSJ is offline
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    Well I got you good in the end and you know what I am talking about.
    I do?
    Pure... Bullshit
    He failed to mention though that this girl is on the net. ;)

    And damn that it took you this long to figure out moderating is a shitty job, why'd you think i didn't take shit from anyone, that i just did my own thing, that's the only way you can relax while being a mod.

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    Grand Master SkylineMaster is offline
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    nopeace i didnt get to know u really good, but i could c that u did a great work here, nothing more to say, Good Luck m8.

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    F**KIN LEGEND! exclamatio is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Before I go any futher I must appologies for my behavior recently. I have been a dick, bitch, asshole, and what ever else you may call me. I admit it and I am sorry for it. My recent actions have been uncalled for and I do not wish to give an excuse for them.
    in my books some1 who apologises is worth a lot and deserve respect

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Exclamatio: Lee, you can be such a rude bastard at times. Then at times you are the nicest guy. You are one person that is hard to decide upon. But heck, you are still a great guy in my books.
    haha im just like u m8, i say what im thinking and try to be as honest as i can

    like i said 2 u i still consider u a friend thats why it was hard when u said stuff i didnt like, being a friend it meant more to me than if some1 i didnt like at all would have said it

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    Elite Member FallenOne is offline
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    Nopeace Becky and iod , I didnt know u well..but still u deserve respect...thank u for what u did on ragezone

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    Sorcerer Supreme DeathXDealer is offline
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    Yeah hehe, hwww, i was lucky, wasn't mentioned in da list :p

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    Grand Master Morphix is offline
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    MODing is a terrible job unless ur given free reign to banhammer any fucker that causes aggro.

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    Grand Master Silveron is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphix
    MODing is a terrible job unless ur given free reign to banhammer any fucker that causes aggro.
    that probably the most entertaining and correct thing i've head about moding, ever!

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    The Unbeatable GohanSSJ is offline
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    Well that's pretty much what i used to do, tbh most of the people here (most of them only have like 100 posts or less) only whine about stuff and ask stupid questions, i think no one should have to put up with that stuff.

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    well i used to go do my own thing (i still do i guess), but i got in a lot of trouble with other mods like sipher etc because "ragezone is a corporation" or summat and we're supposed to be "professional".

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    Adventurer Becky is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Knowing my luck this thread will be over looked just like all of my other threads.
    People look at things, but sometimes they haven't anything to say. People are weird. I think you'll find, I haven't over looked it :)

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Over this time I have been a big part of the RaGEZONE staff. I would have to say that I was one of the best mods that has came to RaGEZONE along with iod and Beckeh. There was a point in the beginning of this year when we was the three that did over 95% of the modding work done on this forum (bassed off of the mod management hack that displayed all of the work done at the time).
    heh.. That was some good times :P Well, all depends on your definition of good. Was kind of funny to see those stats, but wasn't fun to see Neo and Solares leave after :( I love them both.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    For most of the time I was a mod here. I was enthusiastic and happy with it until serveral months ago. This was the same for my counterparts Bekceh and iod.
    Yeah, modding was the ownage, as some may say. I enjoyed it at first, got to know a lot of good people and had a good time. Plus, most members, general members of the community, have been great to me and are great people from what I can see.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Serveral months ago we started thinking what's the real point of being a mod? No one actually gave thanks for all of our hard work. That is when Beckeh first asked to be demoded and iod just stoped modding. I somewhat carried on. Doing what I saw needed to be done. Not taking that extra mile like we used to. Beckeh soon came back hopping there would be change but there wasn't.
    The biggest problem is that things aren't the way I want them to be. I have realized, that I am not the boss of RZ and have to either roll with the punches or duck out of the ring. I ducked out not once but twice because, I simply care too much. You are very right about that. I care more about this place than anyone really should for a forum. But thats the kind of person I am, I do something to the maximum, I don't back down and I don't give up on what I believe in. Sadly, if I feel I can't change things as I see they need to be, I eventually have to hit the road to not cause any problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Out of us three I lasted the longest. iod just gave up long ago and Beckeh finnaly threw in the towel. As soon as Beckeh left for the final time I totally gave up trying. Doing as how MentaL put it "fake modding."
    Fake modding? Sounds kinky. Anyway, way I see it, it all depends on how you look at ragezone and how you want it to be. Since things are more focused on things I DON'T care for like Lineage, WoW and *pukes* Mu, than say Mir2 which is and will forever be the soul of rz, I had trouble finding reasons to stay as a mod, and frankly, as a consistent poster.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    To this date I am still annoyed at the fact that us three have yet to recive a proper thanks for the hard work and effort we put into the up keep of this forum. We would spend over 12 hours a day dedicated to the up keep of the forum. There was one moment in time when Beckeh actually recived a thank you from Sipher after she quite being a mod the frist time around. Tho that was only do to the fact that I basically told him to give her thanks. Not a real thanks in my honest opion. Hell I am not even asking for thanks on myself, but I am so annoyed for the fact that Beckeh never got a proper one. She was the life force of the staff and the true community of RaGEZONE and deserves a proper thanks.
    A good quote I read recently:

    "You see how soon they forget... Everything you've done for them, and this is how they repay you."


    Thing is, that quote was in reference to something far greater than being a moderator of a forum on the internet :) Way I have figured it the last few weeks is that, well, things do change, and you will have those that don't agree with the changes and leave, some that stick by with the new outlook and change with it, and of course those that fall inbetween, that are there no matter what.

    Though I never received a specific thanks from anyone sans Sipher, I know that Mental and the other mods respected my time I gave them. They may have not always said it, and the people you want to hear it from the most never really do say it, but I guess I can live with the fact that sometimes people don't always say what they feel. We all know this to be true.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Saddly to say I have never actually felt like a member of the RaGEZONE community. Most of my experince here has been a mod. I may be one of the biggest spammers in RaGEZONE history but I was never a true member of the community. All but three of my threads that I have created have been all but totally ignored. Probally most if not all of my posts have been hated by the people here.
    What you have to do is ask yourself: Do I want to be a member here? I'm guessing you aren't going to mod anymore, obviously you have been demodded but that doesn't always mean its the finale. If you find that there isn't anything you can/wish to contribute to Rz, then yes, leave. But do it because you want not because you think others hate you, many people hate each other in some way, Purplepill hated me and I didn't even know why :P So yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Just thinking of this makes it seem like there is absolutly no point of me ever being here. I am well aware that I am not welcomed here and what little use that I had to offer is no longer needed. So there is no real point for being here.
    Who doesn't want you here? The members of staff, or both? Because, I think you'll find, there will be a few that don't want you here and many that do :) People have their reasons, they always do.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Tho RaGEZONE has givin me things that I am indebted to. It has givin me two pretty good friends, Beckeh and Sipher, and the love of my life, evilkitten (whom will probally kill me for letting that out in the open).
    Thanks for that :heart:

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    So is this the end for me? Am I to suffer a fate like my two fellow conter parts Beckeh and iod. A fate that leave me to slowy but surely leave RaGEZONE. I really don't know. What I do know is that I could never give it up. Just like all members of the past, my presence will linger here. I will be lurking in the shadows and reading what is happening. But will I remain active? I do not know. I will just let the replies of this thread, if any, decide my actions to come.

    "It can't rain all the time"

    We need to talk Mr. Chris.. It doesn't have to be the end... Hell, we've been through this a few times, we've chatted a many good times about it... Fate is a fickle Mistress! And life, well, life is like a box of condoms, well, actually, no. But, the fact is, it doesn't have to end on a sour note. Never had to. Chat we will.. chat we must.

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    Grand Master Ionic & Schizo is offline
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    Ionic:
    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Ionic & Schizo: You are just plain weird. Funny but weird.
    So me never having played an MMORG (<-- :shocked: ) makes me weird eh? Guess my name don't help either.

    Maybe it's cos yer post is so long it feels like I should at least try to put a proper reply here. I'll leave out the heartfelt stuff to the others who reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    I am sure many of you who are reading this has done it to. Have wondered if your time here at RaGEZONE is up.
    Strange to say it about a forum but yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    Saddly to say I have never actually felt like a member of the RaGEZONE community. Most of my experince here has been a mod. I may be one of the biggest spammers in RaGEZONE history but I was never a true member of the community.
    (Note: I'm read that as "I didn't feel part of the community because I was a mod") You get back from who and how you interact. Like how (nameless) old schoolers quote old schoolers and only decide to NOT ignore new comers wen they wanna bad mouth off to them. They stay in their own little group cursing at how it's all changed, different & not like it was back-in-the-day.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoPeace
    All but three of my threads that I have created have been all but totally ignored.
    How so? Or am I missing a deeper meaning here? Cos your threads have the same average number of replies as others. (I'd link stuff as I used to but ppl will just bump it).

    Schizo: *leans back, stretches & sighs*
    There goes another one.

    Maybe I'll see yer when you land in teh UK. Maybe not. Regardless, enjoy life. It's much bigger & important than a forum (unless yer running it of course).
    Last edited by Ionic & Schizo; 28-08-05 at 03:40 PM.

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    Grand Master Tsuki is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik-C
    Pure... Bullshit
    Ill second that.

    Why do you want a thanks for a voluntary job?
    Last edited by Tsuki; 28-08-05 at 04:14 PM.

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    The Unbeatable GohanSSJ is offline
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    To this date I am still annoyed at the fact that us three have yet to recive a proper thanks for the hard work and effort we put into the up keep of this forum. We would spend over 12 hours a day dedicated to the up keep of the forum.
    You act like you saved this forum from it's downfall and that you spend all your time to keep this forum up, while the reality is that you did the job that many people wouldn't mind doing and that you were spending 12 hours a day already on this forum.
    I spend more time on this forum then you, that's ofcourse the time excluded from all the time that i have been a member, i never got a thank you, and i never expected nor did i wanted 1, i always did it to help MentaL, if you were expecting a thank you then you chose the wrong thing to do.
    There was one moment in time when Beckeh actually recived a thank you from Sipher after she quite being a mod the frist time around. Tho that was only do to the fact that I basically told him to give her thanks. Not a real thanks in my honest opion.
    Well why the hell should he give thanks, i mean if someone is supposed to thank her then it would be MentaL, even though i don't think he really should, afterall he has done more then anyone else, has to pay the bills and done this to create something for the people, but Sipher has totally nothing to do with that, just like Becky he is/was helping MentaL.
    Hell I am not even asking for thanks on myself
    You pretty much are, you made it clear several times you are annoyed for not getting thanks, and i think this is an attempt to get that thanks.
    Saddly to say I have never actually felt like a member of the RaGEZONE community.
    Which you caused yourself, i don't remember what it was that you started with modding, but i believe you were pretty early a mod for 1 of the server development forums, yet you acted in all the forums that you were the man, atleast that was my impression and i'm sure most of the other people aswell, on top of that from what i can remember you took yourself to serious.


    Anyway tbh, unless you can make a 180 then you're gonna get fucked here, there will be no mod stuff to hide behind anymore, you will be just 1 of many, and unlike some other ex mods, including myself, you never build yourself a character, without mod you will hardly get noticed.


    Oh and btw, that title is gonna get you owned, you weren't legendary, you were a moderator, only way you could use such a title is people will actually remember things of you as a mod, i mean even Bazi's 2 days moderating was more legendary then you (he rigged Johny's poll about what server he should put up, he received a instant ban from me for that)
    Last edited by GohanSSJ; 28-08-05 at 04:02 PM.

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    Grand Master WYWH is offline
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    Well, I don't know why you rant like you do... you sometimes do it, you think people hate you or something... all those polls on staff saying "Am I hated?" or "Should I quit?"... don't know... seems like a way to get attention to me.
    And I don't know what you want from or anyone's ass... but good luck.

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    The Unbeatable GohanSSJ is offline
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    Lol, suchs polls are shit, quit or don't quit, but never do polls, as for hated, i really don't understand why people are obsessed with the amount of people who hate, i mean if you want to count something then count your friends.

    You know i'm 1 of the most hated person all time on this forum, i tell you for every friend i got i have like 5 people who hate me, but i just don't care, at the end of the day i'm having a laugh with people who i really consider as good friends, whereas people who are obsessed with being liked all the time have hardly any real friends.


    Everyone should just be theirselves, stop trying to please everyone, it's amazing how many people still try to do this...


    I wonder, hasn't anyone noticed that almost all the known RZ people, the ones that are considered really part of this site that they don't try to please anyone (well except girls, but that's because everyone is all over them lol), they all get into shit, have alot of people give them shit from time to time, it's all part of it, it's the only way you get know, and the only way you can get part of something is if they know you.

    Btw most of the people i like are people who i have had quite some problems with, DTB for example who i consider 1 of my best friends on the internet used to be my biggest enemy on the internet, i had also lots of problems with people like Strider, Nik-C and more recently Exclamatio, and that doesn't mean i always like them or agree with them, but i like them because they are honest, i know when they disagree that they really have a good reason for them, wether i or they are right ofcourse remains the question, but that doesn't matter as you always learn things.

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    Adventurer Becky is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
    Everyone should just be theirselves, stop trying to please everyone, it's amazing how many people still try to do this...
    Depends on how you look at it. Part of my nature is to be nice to others, because honestly, I feel good when I feel they appreciate my kindness and very much enjoy positive reciprocation :)

    Quote Originally Posted by GohanSSJ

    I wonder, hasn't anyone noticed that almost all the known RZ people, the ones that are considered really part of this site that they don't try to please anyone (well except girls, but that's because everyone is all over them lol), they all get into shit, have alot of people give them shit from time to time, it's all part of it, it's the only way you get know, and the only way you can get part of something is if they know you.
    I'm nice to those that are nice to me :) I have no care to get into arguements with people, especially online, especially if the arguements are about petty/stupid things. I can debate all day long, but if it gets personal, I really don't care to bother ;)

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    Sorcerer Supreme DirtyDeals is offline
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    I am with Nik-C on this one. Your a lying, lifeless motherf***er and abuse your power way too much. Dont apologize, I dont forgive anyone.



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