[QUOTE]GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip
[QUOTE]GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip
Last edited by DrMido0o89; 28-12-08 at 07:41 AM.
Well now Israel is amassing their tanks and troops...so this isn't going to look good at all.
I say, blow Israel of the world map! They complain and whine about much they suffered in WW2, look what they are doing, ain't much better.
i guess this is just Israel's way of saying "ere, stop chuckin' rockets at us you wankers"
unfortunate? yes. unexpected? no.
Various news agencies reporting on this bit...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202
Google "US blocks UN anti-israel bill", and you'll find a lot about this bit.
Essentially, the world is becoming anti-Israel. The US, in its great spiral downwards (see economy), is still backing Israel. Seems most people, thankfully, are aware that the Israelis learned nothing from the Nazis, and wish to repeat those horrors.
They are right to do so, terrorist groups from Gaza have been firing rockets over the border and attacking civilians including kindergarten children. I myself happen to be a huge fan of the Israeli troops and can promise you that these terrorist groups will last only mere seconds.
The Israeli army is in the better half of the worlds top 10 armies, get back in your hole.Originally Posted by Ambrosiax
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/mod...tary-4695.html
I just thought of Israel as a dirt country as I see it on TV.
I'm not saying that I only learn from tv but for me Israel is not a thing that comes up a lot.
consider that you guys read history and understand that history repeats itself for lack of enlightenment and knowledge. Isreal has been through discrimination, learn to read before you type, its a habit all to common on RZ.
seriously? Israel is a prosperous first world nation with a world class military. Just because it's in the middle east it doesn't make it a 'dirt country'. ignorance these days is amazing.
I said thats what I thought and that I don't hear about Israel much or at all.
I've actually only heard 2 things about Israel this month and thats basically this and this thread.
Guys. Calm the fuck down. I've lived in New York, Israel, Jordan, Florida, and Canada.
At this age from my experience I can say people aren't all that nice as they seem to be. Give someone power and their better half, their instincts, will cause the selfish nature of every human to come out.
Israel and Hammas are to me both much the same. They justify their actions based on a book written over 5,000 years ago, while Hammas is using the kindergarden argument "Hey, we were here first!".
To that I say there were always people before, by that argument then the first ever people to populate those lands in the history of man should have the right to the land.
People are disappointing in general. And with that, corporations, governments, parties, racial groups, religious organizations, are all motivated through selfishness by the people operating them.
After recognizing this then one realizes there isn't much you can do. I have decided not to take a stage in any of this and completely abandon any say, and just read the news and not speak a word.
I say all this being a Jewish Israeli. I have seen enough and learned enough to know both sides will project distorted realities unto their people via media and word of mouth. And just as 90% of born children will adopt their parents' religion and stick with it their whole lives, so will citizens to a country, workers in corporations, and even teenagers in bigger social groups, they will all just eat up nonsense in order to feel as though they have purpose in life, instead of just making their own purpose.
Really, you can get very philosophical with this stuff to a point where there is virtually no end. I settle with just not caring, not voicing opinions, and taking actions based upon what I know can change and impact my own life and the lives of those I hold close to me.
i love how everyone watches the news and repeats. the first thing that springs to their minds is the work 'terrorist' or 'al-qaida' or 'osama binladen' see world affairs and history are very subjective to the perspective of the person showing it. for example, to the USA, they are heroes rescuing iraq from an evil dictatorship (which they never had any problem with) and ridding the world of evil terrorists. whereas from an iraqi's point of view (i have many iraqi friends (they fled iraq when the USA invaded)) the USA are bastards who just want oil, osama and al-qaida are freedom fighters who kill americans, and as far as im concerned i have no problem with osama or al-qaida, but then as far as im concerned 9-11 was excecuted by the american government...
anyway, the point is that the way things are is very subject to objective.
You just forgot to say that Gaza is attacking Israel for 6 years.
what is the causualities of this attack
Hammas fired over 10000 rockets(1998-2008)
they killed over 10 and injuried 20
wow
in a week Israel killed more than 450 and injuried over 2000 innocent ppl
Hammas wanted Israel to pay attention
that they cant be that cruel and abusive and they have responsibility towards Palestine as occupying country
There's already a thread based on all this just below this one actually, which I've personally already been voicing my views on. But since this topic is of great interest and people feel strongly about this to. I'll keep this thread unlocked. I've deleted alot of spam already, so anybody else I see spamming on a serious thread like this is Infracted on the spot.
Before you read this, I want the following clear:
I'm just another guy, 18 years old, an atheist regarding my religions views, pretty much neutral regarding my political views, being forced into the army now (Just got two months till my recruitment in fact. Every Israeli citizen has to serve in the army, by the way) as a Computing Systems Administrator (yeah, they make up nice sounding names for simple jobs like a SysAdmin...) with dreams of becoming a professional musician. I don't have anything against Arabic or Muslim people at all. Hell, I work with 4 Beduin (technically, they are Arabic too, I think) guys and we get along just great (and their lives are at stake just like mine, if not more..).
I don't want to be a part of any of this and never did, but I've already gotten into it since the moment our airplane took off from Russia, and touched down here, in Israel when I was 5, and because I lived here, and been an Israeli citizen for 13 years now by law. The Hamas are threatening my life and the lives of other citizens of Israel, and no one, but I mean, NO ONE should live under fear for his life.. Thus I do support Operation "Cast Lead"...
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Before you read my views on the Gaza situation, maybe you should read this:
If an extremist movement inside, let's say, Great Britain, doesn't matter what it beliefs would be, would occupy a notable part of Britain, and start to attack Britain from the inside - just because they believe that the British nation does not have the right to exist, would you like it? What if they begin all of a sudden to bombard your very own neighborhood? What if the attack will never stop? What if this madness goes on for, say, 8 years straight?
Now, what if the government, after that diplomacy fails, would decide it's time to send it the British Military in to remove the threat, wouldn't you think that it is the right thing to do? And if the anti-British terrorists are based in civilian towns, and operate within the civilian population that resides there? What if all, or part of the civilian actually support this anti-British movement? Now let's say that during the British attack on the anti-Brits, there where civilian casualties on the anti-Brit side as well, would you mind them at all, as long as the British Army is working to stop the anti-Brits and to bring you safety and peaceful life again?
Just try to get yourself into the scenario I have described above for a second. This is the reality that is being forced onto us, more or less. And after you've tried to think of yourself as a part of such reality of life, maybe, just maybe, you will understand what I'm trying to say, and why do I think the way I do.
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Finally, my views on the topic:
The reason innocent civilians (And not all are so 'innocent', btw, for supporting the Hammas cause and encouraging them to continue their bombing on Israel) got killed and injured as well as Hammas themselves is because the Hammas terrorists are base among the population - they are using the civilians as human shields, they have their bases placed in hospitals, and civilian-populated areas.
Seriously I don't get it... Israel has been bombed by the Hammas from Gaza strip for 8 years straight by now, with hundreds of Israeli civilian lives taken, and more injured, and the whole world said nothing. But now that we give 'em a taste of their own medicine, everybody's a humanitarian.
By all means, the aim of Operation "Cast Lead" is not to destroy the Palestinian population, but to cease the Hammas' bombardments on Israeli cities, and to bring home Staff Sergent Gilad Shalit, who was kidnapped by the Hamas for two years now.
You want proof of the Hamas' attacks? Feel free to check the following: List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008 and List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2009. Israel is simply using it's most basic right - to defend the people who live in it.
I'm sorry to burst you're bubble there kiddos, but the Hamas didn't kill "just one college student", they can reach my city too now, which is pretty far from the Strip, and have already bombed us several times this week, damaging property, injuring people, killed two so far, and caused terror among the population. Hell, one of the Grad rockets fell just about a mile away from my place. I could be killed during these bombings, and I still can die. A siren may sound any second as I'm writing and editing this very post, and a Grad rocket just might fall right into the 4-story apartment building I reside in, blasting my home, myself, and my family to smithereens.
These attacks have been suffered by the the population of southern region of Israel, and the people of the city of Sderot in particular, for too long to be tolerated any more... It is self-defense... not more, and not less. I do not rejoice at the civilian casualties in Gaza, but I'm not happy about the Israeli casualties, civilians and soldiers alike, neither.
But if this is the bloody price we have to pay, however, to stop the rockets from being launched at our homes, so be it.
Last edited by Unleashed Hell; 04-01-09 at 06:56 PM.
- Bullshit.
- There, you just linked things the entire world has been seeing and paying attention to. Hence why I said the first bit of what you said to be bullshit. Claiming nobody cares, playing this victim mentality game? Fuck off - if the world wasn't paying attention, you wouldn't be able to google or wiki news articles about the rocket attacks.
- Hamas is essentially a government party in Palestine. While violent, and open to the use of terrorism, it is not restricted to just them. Israel is guilty of this too.
http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/colu.../10272212.html
If it was self defense, the UN would not issue a statement demanding that Israel halts its actions.
You do realize that this scenario you have made applies perfectly to the Palestinians too, right? Palestine was there first. The UN made Israel by taking a part of Palestine. Israel wanted more land, and seized much more than was given to it, as you will learn if you read of the Six Day War. Egypt isn't Palestine; there was no justification in that war to kick the Palestinians out of their homes.
Of course, I do disagree with the rocket attacks on Israel, I am not going to sympathize with a war of aggression, which, by and large, targets civilians. If you feel that civilians who support their government are not innocent, on the basis that you consider their government your enemy, then... you are a monster. Plain and simple. You may rank yourself with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
Actually us in Britain already went through a similar thing with the IRA. But we didn't start a ground invasion and launch bombs at Dublin. We started negotiations, power-sharing deals, disarming of militants, reliquishing of territorial claims, releasing prisoners etc etc. and resolved the conflict in a largely peaceful manner.
and don't think they weren't a serious threat. The IRA killed 1,775 people between 1970 and 2005 and injured and maimed thousands of others.
*claps hands*
Brilliant!
See Unleashed - this could be settled peacefully! I could cry from joy, seeing something so positive come from you vannaroth. *licks his feet* This will have to do.
Props to peace talks.
I Heard someone Said That israel can afford tanks? HAHAHAHA LAughing out loud! You Know What???? America Yes America Help'd And Trained Israel And America Did Give Israel Weapons and Tanks!
Isreal Was Just a Crap From the Begining now what can you say!
No, you don't get it... these guys are BOMBING us, OK? It's the same reason that the USA didn't negotiate with the Taliban.. It would be pointless. We have already negotiated with the Palestinians in the past - we gave them the whole region of Gush Katif a few years back, and look what we get now - We still get bombed, and people still die. This time we had no choice. Do be so smart and quick to say "try diplomacy" when it was already done.
Wow there, now you're making it personal....
BOMBONG us? for a month maybe they killed 1 person but isreal for a week 540 killer jesus what a crime is that !
Include children old guys and girls..
Well, according to Unleashed Hell, you cannot be a civilian if you support a group he deems his enemy. While it may be appropriate to deem Hamas an enemy, if you live in Israel, it is not appropriate to deem civilians under their rule enemies. Those such excuses to take innocent lives are what lead to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and those under them, to being known for unadulterated genocide and acts of inhumane terror.
And if you read vannaroth's post, you would see why I was complementing him. He made an example of a picture-perfect scenario; a terrorist organization called the IRA bombing the UK, the loss of over a thousand lives, over a vast period of time, past attempts of diplomacy failing, but, eventually experiencing success - and with a lot fewer "casualties" than will be experienced in this foolhardy war. Three decades worth diplomacy, and less than two thousand casualties. One week of war, and over 500 casualties. Do you see where I'm going with this? It is irresponsible of you, as a human being, to believe war is the answer.
uhh the IRA bombed us repeatedly, used guerilla tactics, and even tried to assassinate our Prime Minister at the time. I was even around for this in my home town:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-massacre.html
No invasion. No airstrikes.
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