ok now 5th august, that day media reported 1 death by accident or summit, but i dont c the media reporting this --
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...=73178&ak=null
An entire american base wiped out (not recomended for children)
ok now 5th august, that day media reported 1 death by accident or summit, but i dont c the media reporting this --
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...=73178&ak=null
An entire american base wiped out (not recomended for children)
sorry but.....wtf? how can anyone be blamed for a natural disaster?Originally Posted by DirtyDeals
if you believe this, then your an idiot. Muslims don't like the extremists - its making the muslim community look bad
I dont care about Muslims, let them live the further away from me the better. Open your eyes, nathan, if you didnt see/hear anything about people in Indonesia blaming George Bush about the Tsunami that happened in Dec. of 04'. You must of been living under a rock at the time.
I am not an idiot because there is no need for me to defend future terrorists. However, you can defend them all you want since your the idiot trying to approve their religion.
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believe into any religion you want and don't fight about it.
Because the machinations of Christianity are often MUCH more subtle, and INFINITELY more dangerous.
Yes, it does. At least the way most of its followers interpret it.Because Christianity doesnt tell you take "Violence against Infidels"
Infidel = non-believer, 'heretic'.
TENS OF THOUSANDS of people have been killed in the name of christianity, simply because they refused to convert, or happened to have a nice pair of tits and gave some priest a guilty thought, so he would have her burned as a witch because she 'bewitched' him. This is the mentality (or complete lack thereof) of religious fundamentalism, which is a disease upon any religion, ESPECIALLY easy to find in religions like christianity and islam which cater to a view of "god loves us and not you".
Yes, homophobia is common among 'conservative' 'christians' like yourself, despite the many parts of the bible which talk about acceptance and loving thy neighbour, etc..power hungry homosexual like Kerry,
Righteousness is very relative, and any man who believes without a doubt that he is right is a very dangerous man indeed.he does what's right and tries to keep it that way.
I conveniently had this addy copied:Bush didnt cause anything so leave him out of it.
http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/.../september_11/
The sooner people like you die and start to rot physically instead of mentally, the sooner you'll actually begin to be useful (as fertilizer).All Muslims are terrorists, no Muslim is a good Muslim.
How many times have you read it and understood its intent?If you think the Qu'ran teaches peace, why dont you try reading it?
Oh, let me guess, you read a few out-of-context excerpts on some fundamentalist terrorist website and now consider yourself an expert :rant_1:
One of the main creeds of Islamic scripture is "No one of you is a true believer until he preferreth his brother before himself" - which can be roughly paraphrased as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"!
MentaL, he may not have been racist, but he was discriminating on the basis of religion. I, however, don't discriminate on the basis of religion. I hold a fairly equal amount of disdain and HORROR at the complete LACK of reasoning required to accept any of most of the major world religions... Christianity happens to have some great quotes to choose from, so I'm going to take some words from George Carlin here:
Amen.
How Is Christianity More Dangerous Than A Religion That States If A Man Gives His Life In Ji'had, He Will Recieve 72 Virgins In Heaven?Because the machinations of Christianity are often MUCH more subtle, and INFINITELY more dangerous.
Christianity Condemns To Taking Of ANY Life - Except In Retribution Of Defense.
Thats Bullshit. Don't Blame Christianity For What People Did Hundreds Of Years Ago. Also Christianity Does Not Have This View Of "God Loves Us And Not You". It States That God Loves All His Children, Believers Or Not. Islam Believers In The Heretic And Infidel View.TENS OF THOUSANDS of people have been killed in the name of christianity, simply because they refused to convert, or happened to have a nice pair of tits and gave some priest a guilty thought, so he would have her burned as a witch because she 'bewitched' him. This is the mentality (or complete lack thereof) of religious fundamentalism, which is a disease upon any religion, ESPECIALLY easy to find in religions like christianity and islam which cater to a view of "god loves us and not you".
People Have Been Killed In The Name Of Christianity Yes, But The Bible Condemn's Such Acts.
Homophobia Is Not Allowed In The Eys Of Christianity. Don't Ask Me Why But God Supposedly Wanted It That Way.Yes, homophobia is common among 'conservative' 'christians' like yourself, despite the many parts of the bible which talk about acceptance and loving thy neighbour, etc..
That Quote Is Hurtful To My Religion And Is Complete And Utter Bullshit. The Christian Church Is An Non Profit Organization, Who Have To Support Chuches, Parishes, Schools, Charities, Relief Work And World Aid. Your A Fucking Prick If You Believe What That Fucker Said.Amen.
Now Let's Talk About Unfairness Heh.
In The United Kingdom We Have A Muslim Council Of Britain - Where The Fuck Is The Christian Council Of Britain? Near Where I Live They Knocked Down A Church... And Built A Fucking Mosque In It's Place. The Police Force Were Told To Wear Green Ribbons In Support Of The Muslim Community - Why The Fuck Should They? There Is A Muslim Board Of The Police Force, Why Not A Chrisitan Board?
Pretty Soon Christendom Will Become The Ethnic Minority In England With All This Fucking Red Tape And Political Correctness.
On Political Correctness - We Cannot Call A Blackboard A Blackboard Anymore. It's Now A Chalkboard. Funnily Enough Whiteboard's Have Remained Whiteboards.
You Can Get Fined For Showing The English Flag In Public - That Includes In Your Window's Etc. Yet The Press Have Reported Not One Person Has Been Cautioned/Fined Over Showing A Pakistan Flag.
And After All This - Some Muslim Groups Are Trying To Incoperate Islamic Laws Into The British Laws. Want To Know What I Say? FUCK THEM!
Let's Incoperate British Stiff Upper Lip's And Pride Into Our Laws And Kick The Trouble Making Fuckers Out Of Our Country.
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The Bible holds many prominent supporting passages for putting adulterous and raped wives/daughters to death, it advocates slavery, it encourages bigotry and prejudice, and also advocates child sacrifice and incest. Just because you can pick at one passage from another religion's holy books does not mean you cannot have the same done to you.
Why not? They were following the same religion weren't they?Thats Bullshit. Don't Blame Christianity For What People Did Hundreds Of Years Ago.
Yet you do not feel the need to follow in the same light? Shouldn't you be doing whatever you can to make yourself more like Him, in your compassion, forgiveness, and love for your fellow man?Also Christianity Does Not Have This View Of "God Loves Us And Not You". It States That God Loves All His Children, Believers Or Not. Islam Believers In The Heretic And Infidel View.
Just as the scriptures of Islam condemn all acts of terrorism, if they were read as intended and not picked at for excuses to commit horrible acts, as they have been for organisations like Al Queda to justify their bloodthirst, and as the christian bible has been used to justify many unjust executions in the past. You cannot hold a double standard here - you cannot say "oh, but radical fundamentalism based on misinterpretation of their scriptures is different from religious zealotry as a result of overly-literal and grossly-misconstrued interpretation of OUR holy book!"People Have Been Killed In The Name Of Christianity Yes, But The Bible Condemn's Such Acts.
Religious fanaticism from any country, any corner of the globe, is an instant recipe for disaster, no matter the colour of their skin or what book they read from or what hand they wipe their @ss with.
I believe you meant to say Homosexuality isn't, and even then it's still incorrect.. The passages most often referred to as the basis for this assumption (which has only developed around victorian times and later, as part of a puritanical takeover of western society whereby anything which feels good, especially sex, is considered sinful, and so all its variants which do not support the secondary process of reproduction, doubly so) - the passages which I can bring to mind are the one from leviticus and the one regarding the 'spilling of the seed' which is then taken to mean that god condemns any sex which cannot possibly result in reproduction, which is obviously majorly flawed before we even start, since it would make things like heterosexual acts of anal coitus, fellatio, cunnilingus, and handjobs, among other things, similarly condemned under that interpretation of that passage.. As for the leviticus passage! It reads something along the lines of "if a man lies with another man, they have commited an indecency under the lord, and their blood shall be upon them" - pretty close to that.. okay, that's fairly damning, for sure - but what else do we find near this passage in Lev? hmm...Homophobia Is Not Allowed In The Eys Of Christianity.
(hey, there's that 'blood shall be upon them' bit again)
I think I can stop now, since I've made the point that accepting the single passage in the bible which specifies homosexuality as a sin would also mean you would have to accept that all tarot-card-readers must be publicly executed by stoning, cotton blend shirts are evil, and god wants you to burn prostitutes, and sacrifice small animals to him.
No, puritanical zealots wanted it that way.Don't Ask Me Why But God Supposedly Wanted It That Way.
Firstly, let me just say that I'm not attempting to discount the GOOD that has been done in the name of the church, and church-supported organisations in order to improve standards of living (and indeed, salvaging life itself in many cases) for hundreds of thousands of people across the globe every year - that's the sort of thing I believe in, the ability of people to make a difference. But now to the issue of $$.That Quote Is Hurtful To My Religion And Is Complete And Utter Bullshit. The Christian Church Is An Non Profit Organization, Who Have To Support Chuches, Parishes, Schools, Charities, Relief Work And World Aid. Your A Fucking Prick If You Believe What That Fucker Said.
Why does the Christian Church have to receive money or support from anyone? If they are working under an all-powerful being? For that matter, why would they have to work at all, when he can simply THINK of snapping his fingers and there will instantly be heaven on earth and everywhere? To get a little more specific, why did this supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent being feel the need to incarnate Himself, only to be eventually sacrificed, TO Himself, in order to appease Himself? Ignoring the fact that an omniscient being would have no need for things such as appeasement or for that matter feel any emotion at all (how can he, when he knows everything that is, was and ever will be, and IS everything that is, was and ever will be? Even ignoring all of that, surely such an intelligent being could have thought of a better way to do things?
To tell you the truth, if there in fact is a sentient being running the universe, with control (even non-total) over our lives, then he must be one sick sadistic m****rf***er. He's not doing a very good job - if he was, there would be no contention over religion, and people would not die every day over it. :cry:
If everyone would just wake up and realize that WE are responsible for EVERYTHING that happens in this world, WE are only accountable to ourselves, and WE ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME when things go wrong, then maybe, just maybe, more people might start trying to improve the world for themselves and others instead of 'praying' or wasting time performing ancient rituals or harboring not-so-ancient (victoran times, most of them) prejudices. :noexpress
Guys Guys I am a Muslim (I think many of you people know). I aint angry or nothing by these posts Im reading but can I ask where in the world you get, If you bomb your self You get 72 virgins?? That is one wrong and buckled line lol. These Extremists bombing them selves up arent muslims. They are just extremists using Islam and the Quran as there Shield for all these Bombings.
Also nowhere in the Quran it says "There is going to be a Holy War". I have read the Quran 3 times now trying to get a better understanding of it everytime and there is no such line or Story surrounding that Point. The Quran is about Peace and living in Harmony with all other Religions and Societys.
These terrorists are just making things up along the way. They are setting a bad Image towards all the Islams across the world. It is just a small group of people corrupting Islam.
Furthermore It is against our religion to bomb or kill innocent people. It is a lie that you go to Heaven because you have made God proud or anything like that. That is all bull*** ..
These terrorists should all die a painfull death for all the things they are doing to this world and especially to the Islamic Culture.
The only line I stumbled across I felt abit sad about was this.
"All Muslims are terrorists, no Muslim is a good Muslim."
I am a muslim and you dont see my going around threatening People " Im gonna Bomb you Up Infidel... ALLAH HU AKBAR!! "
I am just a normal Muslim Kid who prays 5 times a day to "Allah", thanking him for what he has gave me,my family,relatives and friends.. I also do Ramadan and Obey the rules of Islam nearly all the time Yet it is Preety Hard not to swear to a person lol..
So does that make me a Bad Muslim or a Terrorist???
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i likw what u said hybr!d :) respect
the real question here is what were you doing on a Sony Music Forum?
Was on the SOAD forum :P
Christians already seem to be the minority in Britain - which makes me sick really. Our nation was based on christianity and built on their beliefs - but we are now discriminated for showing them. We cant even be patriotic without fear of being arrsested. If we say anything bad about a foriegn person we can be arrested for racism - yet on hardly any occasions a foriegn person will be arrested for racism towards the people who made this country. Around here at the time of the world cup if you had any sort of support for the english team you would have it taken off you. Yet these foreign people are even allowed to carry weapons for "self defence" and "religeous reasons" yet anyone else would be instantly arrsested and charge for carrying a dangerous weapon. Foreign people aren't the ones who need protecting
I totally agree about the whiteboard/blackboard thing - racism works both ways but people dont see that
This is getting a little off track here, We've all said our points (Most of us) and listened to others now lets get back on to the actual conspiracy, not about other people's religions =o!
Hybr!d, Good post.
DarkAntix - The Christians Believe In The NEW Testament. The Jewish In The Old.
Isn't that the same god?
Don't chrsitians believe in the tales of moses and such?
Chrstianity does believe in the old testenebt as well as the new one... just that the new one takes some part of the rules out.
DTB is right. Darcantix your as far off as the east and west are apart from each other. Dont try to approve muslims because what they do is wrong(blow themselves to bits). I guarantee you if there were no muslims on earth, there would be peace.
I dont believe anything that is said about muslims being good, just like I dont believe anything about darcantix having more brain cells then a squirrel. Your trying to proove someone wrong with your own opinions. You never hear Christian Extremist kills 5 and wounds 4 others, but you always hear Muslim Extremist kills 20 and injures 30 more.
Reason being: The bible doesnt teach its followers to hurt themselves or others to recieve a reward in the afterlife.
Now, Darkantix, I dont know who you are and I never seen you on RZ before, you can keep putting your own opinions in but that wont do me much good.
hmmm...
After reading this I have a bit of a question for those who do not believe in religion or God… What happens when you die Oo?
I have my own views on it (I will not disclose what religion I belong to, as almost every other religion has some major hate towards the religion I belong to)… I am just wondering on what you guys think happens.
And speaking of Christian extremists, anyone of you heard of Timothy McBay?
Yeah... he was the "Christian extremist" guy who bombed Oklahoma city (he bombed an abortion clinic if I remember correctly... there was a daycare across the street from it, so he killed lots of kids as well).
I found it odd that they never referred to him as a "christian terrorist" they always just called him a "terrorist". So why the hell is the media putting labels on the other "terrorists"? As far as I see, a terrorist is a terrorist, you don't need to be putting a religious label on them, that doesnt hurt them, it really only hurts the people of the religion they supposedly "belong" to.
EDIT: Acually, what it everyones views on death Oo?
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Personally, I don't follow any religion, and couldn't care less what any of the teachings say.
The fact is that some Muslim factions are brainwashing their followers into committing heinous crimes; making them believe they will be rewarded by Allah for their so-called contributions. I'm sure the Qu'ran doesn't teach Muslims that killing innocent people will result in them being rewarded in Heaven. That's why not all Muslims are like this. It's these small factions which are being lead to believe that they will be rewarded for sacrificing their life in the name of Allah. If it's so brave and righteous to commit suicide to kill a few people on a train or bus, then why haven't the leaders of these factions (e.g. Bin Laden) killed themselves yet?
Because they know what they're doing, and know that there is no reward for committing such a crime. They're simplying using pawns to do their dirty work.
Also, a common misconception I see in alot of discussions like this is people use Christians as a synonym for White-People and likewise Muslims for asians. Not all white people are Christians and not all people from middle-asia are Muslim.
I agree that not all Muslims are good people, some are right bastards. However, it's also true that some Christians are tossers as well. There's variety in all religions.
As for that comment that claimed if there were not Muslims in the world, then there would be peace. Bullshit imo. As long as there's people, there will be conflict. It's human nature to argue and dispute things, and I feel there will always be disagreements between nations as long as the human population survives.
Timothy McVay did not even consider himself a christian, I have no idea where you got that from since I have never heard it. Everyone in America is considered a "Christian," but what do they do? They sin, drink, and do everything the bible says not to do.
Darkantix, why dont you try finding an example from the New Testament rather then the old one. Christians live by the New Testament, Jews live by the Old Testament.
What do you mean by that? :P
Why dont you read the entire thing? But, I am a nice enough person to repeat myself.
Everyone in America is considered a "Christian" or atleast think they are "Christians," and do everything the bible says is wrong. They know they are doing wrong and continue doing it. They call themselves "Christians."
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I remember reading from someone who posted "Christianity is a multi-billion dollar business per year." That is true, people like Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, etc... make a minimum of $15 million a year. Some make over $150 million a year. They brainwash people into paying them. Almost every day I get a letter from Morris Ceruelo or Benny Hinn saying "Please keep our ministry alive, donate atleast $250 dollars"
The next day, "Please Donate $350 dollars" and the amount keeps increasing as the days move on. All those famous "Evangelists" have enough money to keep their ministry alive for years to come if people stopped paying them.
I see some people already starting to think the wrong things about Christianity. If you are serious about giving to people, give it to someone who really needs it not someone who is drowning themselves in piles of cash and saying they dont have enough to buy their 10th lamborghini, or continue their ministry.
I can go on all day about this, but I hope by now you understand the basic principle.
DirtyDeals, I know more jews and muslims here in america then i know christians. So not everyone here is a christian.
NoPeace - out
Evangelists are ruining people's opinions of the Christian faith imo.
Lutherans for teh win.
If im not mistaken, Catholic and Protestant are sub-groups of the Christian religion, Ireland anyone? IRA?
NoPeace, the majority of the population in the U.S.A are Christians. (60% are Christians according to a survey conducted by some news agency) You dont know many people if all who you know are Muslims or Jews. I am assuming you live in a major city.
Morphe, I guess you can consider Catholic and Protestant believers to be "sub-groups" of Christianity. I do not know much about Catholics and Protestants since I really never looked into it. However, I do know that Catholics, Protestants and Jews are all "forms" if you may call it, of Christians. They believe a little differently then we do. For example, Christians follow the the laws of the New Testament, Jews follow the laws of the Old Testament. The New Testament and The Old Testament are still the parts of the Bible.
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I simply do not see how it is possible to believe we evolved from Monkeys. Scientists have their theories, but what can they proove? Monkeys were Monkeys 10 years ago, Monkeys will be Monkeys 10 years from now. No period of time will ever change that.
We were all created by God, and he did not create us to turn from a Lizard to a Bear to whatever Scientists are trying to proove.
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