Sure Ill go do that with the life I have(: !!
Bye <3
Sure Ill go do that with the life I have(: !!
Bye <3
You know... you kind of people piss me the fuck off. You sit here and practically say base our opinions on independent studies.... but yet, you shun out any governmental study. What makes an independent study so creditable? Because they don't have the government backing them? Good god man.... if you want to "fight the power" that damn bad, join a rally. I have yet to see you once admit to weed having any negative effects, even when "people with experience" tell you point blank shit they've done/seen. You still deny it because you haven't gone through it, making yourself just like that "government" you are so defiant of; Afraid to fact a fact.Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
I have been a weed smoker in the past. While it may not have "physical" addictions, it can have a mental addiction, which in my opinion, is 10x worse. I've seen good friends go from smoking a joint a day, to qoute unqoute getting hooked and not feeling anything anymore. I've seen my own flesh and blood go from a clean kid, to a full out crackhead because he tried weed, got mentally hooked, smoked it till he couldn't feel its effects anymore, and moved to a higher drug. Yet here you are, naysayer to the fullest, denying any fucking possibility of something being wrong with it. Don't deny it now because every damn post I've seen from you on this subject has never once admitted it. Just because god damn scientists haven't found anything doesn't mean it don't fucking exist.
I personally could give two shits if it's legalized anymore, just take a look at the real world god damn it. The youth now a days is full of "gangsters" and "thugs".... It's been proven you don't ALWAYS think rationally when under the influence... Do you fucking want the possibility of more shit happening because of this shit being legalized? God... sometimes I think that you and people like you are too damn stoned to think of both sides, yet get pissy with anyone that goes against it.
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please keep in mind you can become mentally addicted to anything, so if that is worse than a physical dependancy on a chemical then everyone should be locked up for my own safety and wrapped in cotton wool so they never go see their friends, family or even chat on the phone, people become addicted to all these things.
People seem to think the day it is legalized the world will break down into chaos. I have infront of me 2 legal alternatives to cannabis and they are readily available in shops and I got both for
Exclamatio, You are right, i did the same mistake as everyone here, just answered without even reading about it. Well that`s how i was learned when i was young: it`s bad! and i believed it with no question. Also what you wish can`t be done with a blink of a eye, People mentality can`t be changed at once, only time will do that. Indeed i was wrong on many things, now that i read more and more about cannabis it`s starting to amaze me how much crap i`ve been told and blindly believed.
Thanks for opening my eyes mate!
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dont worry man i fell into that trap tight away too! It was only through close open minded friends that I saw the governments bullshit for what it was and now i have experience 1st hand the benfits of cannabis for my body
only those caught up in the lies would even suggest the cannabis plant should be illegal. while all my friends smoked weed through school and college i stayed away, stuck on my moral high horse. Only in recent years did I realise how wrong I was and I also believe that if I had started experiencing weed earlier than there was a slight possibility I could have gone down a wrong track.
The cannabis plant should be used more in industry (fuels, building, clothing etc) and should be regulated for recreational use, this is simple because the male plant is far more fibreous and has the most industrial uses. It has no flower or "bud" that can be smoked and cannot be used as a "drug". Only the female plant produces flowers when not pollinated (if it is then seeds will be produced in the flowers place), the female plant seems to hold all the medicinal and recreational benefits and as such can be easily regulated and protected.
Check your sources. Or at least use your brain. This was clearly a latent anxiety disorder triggered by the gas released from the bottle burning. Who's to blame? The government, for keeping it illegal. If it hadn't been illegal these kids would probably have gotten a bong instead of making one themselves.
I despise all of you weed fans, unwilling to consider anything that doesn't support your opinion true. Ignorant fools. As much as I love the drug myself, and believe in legalization, I don't assume the drug is 100% safe just because studies on the internet says so, nor do I assume it's the work of satan himself because schools and newspapers say so.
Exclamatio, you should also think for a moment about what you're saying. Cannabis IS more mentally addictive than other things. Stop acting like a baby, making it seem so trivial. That's like saying heroin addiction isn't bad because caffeine addiction isn't bad.
How can something be more mentally addictive, it is mentally addictive based on each individuals psyche, people get addicted to abusive relationships and people get addicted to locking the door in a certain way. Heroin and caffeine certainly have the potential for a mental addiction and also a chemical dependancy, I guess its the difference between wanting more and your body feeling like it needs/has to have more.
Is cannabis habit forming as in a routine or as in you feel like you have to have more, does it fuck you so bad your body actually needs more to feel normal?
After speaking to a habitual user of cannabis who was a recovered alcoholic they made this comparison for me. "When you are addicted to alcohol and you cannot get a drink, it will literaly ruin your day, regardless of how good it may be. When you smoke cannabis habitually and suddenly none is available you may be upset but you do not feel like the day is worthless. When you drink you feel ok again and after a while you might feel bad or worse, you might have a great time but when you smoke cannabis it enhances everything, emotions, sensations everything"
I've partyed hard and drank far too much on many occaisions but I dont believe I was addicted at any point I just enjoyed it so I cannot relate to that addiction but as a daily user of herb I am sick of being labelled a criminal. And this is why it is so trivial Domega, if innocent people were not being locked away and having their lives destroyed over this or sick people having their medicine taken away.
Of course cannabis is addictive, anything can be addictive, shit im addicted to watching porn. Watching porn and/or smoking weed are non violent events and always in privacy but smoking weed is worthy of fines and jail time? Man, porn is worse for me than cannabis, what will my eyesight be like in 30, 40 or 50 years? but then again, I'd be using cannabis to help that
I didnt paste the whole thing, it went on to say it was a gravity bong, how about you use your brain and stop assuming shit, kthx
[QUOTE=exclamatio;5056567]please keep in mind you can become mentally addicted to anything, so if that is worse than a physical dependancy on a chemical then everyone should be locked up for my own safety and wrapped in cotton wool so they never go see their friends, family or even chat on the phone, people become addicted to all these things.
People seem to think the day it is legalized the world will break down into chaos. I have infront of me 2 legal alternatives to cannabis and they are readily available in shops and I got both for
I suggest looking up the differences between OCD and addiction.
In case you didn't know, the reason people call heroin the "highway to hell" isn't the physical addiction. The physical addiction doesn't show up until weeks of regular use. So why do they say heroin is the highway to hell? Because the mental addiction is so immensely powerful. The craving for something divine. The divine being what the drugs do to ones mind. It's not possible to explain how good it is to someone who has never tried it. Pure pleasure, pure happiness... Nothing beats it. There's no doubt that there's a large difference between various drugs (or other things) when it comes to mental addiction.
If you abuse cannabis it ends up being routine. You will have problems not being under the influence, but it's not that bad. Some minor depression and insomnia. The norm though is smoking it occasionally, as I personally do.
There's no question about which drug is best. But that is completely irrelevant. Cannabis is definetly better than alcohol. As for this thing, I'm not sure if I would agree entirely. But if this man was used to being addicted to alcohol, I can see why he found cannabis to be easy to deal with.
Most people can use drugs such as heroin and LSD recreationally and without letting it interfere with their daily lives. Does that mean we should legalize it? I don't think so. It's those few people that ruins for everybody else. Even if there's just one percent that becomes so desperate that they will rob, or a percent that ends up in an asylum for the rest of their lives... Only one percent is 3 million people in the US alone. Think about it.
Cannabis also has these kinds of people. Of course it's not as bad as the more advanced drugs. But 3 million people being too passive to work is still an economical disaster. I personally believe it's very important to establish a good cannabis culture if/when it gets legalized. Abuse must not happen. The american cannabis culture is pretty good already. The use is quite casual for the majority. Where I come from however, we're used to seeing smokers as people who sit in their basement, not giving a damn about the world outside. I despise it.
Porn addiction is a very serious issue for some. It causes social anxiousity, depression, obesity... Not even to mention all the sexual problems! It's not a problem for you and me, but there are some people out there who haven't been outside their door in decades. Can you imagine?
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haha fine point!
however, observations of real life are a lot more valid than pumping smoke through a gas mask to monkies untill they recieve brain damage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Brain damaged monkeys tell the truth.
when they are forced to breath an unrealistic amount of smoke for extended periods of time starving the brain of oxygen is going to splatter their brains, they would have had similar results making them hold their breath
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/geninfo/marijuana.htm
Independent studies are more credible if they are neutral because they are far less likely to bias their results. If a study is done by people anti-weed or even pro-weed. Guaranteed, the results will be skewed by their own personal bias against or for it. I "Shun" government studies because the government has a wonderful way of spreading misinformation like a plague.
Now, as for pointing out a negative effect of weed: I did so once in this thread in an example I made. But apparently you're too damn intelligent to read the thread, as it would seem.
Your own flesh and blood eh? Well that explains it. The kid was a bloody moron and he deserved to ruin his life. Let me tell you something. Weed did not make him try crack. He had a choice, he likely knew what it was and how dangerous it was, yet he did it anyways. I'd say he's a dumbass. Weed isn't a gateway drug, and just because one idiot decides to try harder drugs, doesn't mean it is. I smoked weed for a long time and not once had a 'weakened' experience off weed, just because I smoked it for an extended period of time.
Listen up kid. If people decide to try harder drugs....more dangerous drugs. It's because they're ignorant and reckless. Blame it on the weed all you like, it's their irresponsibility that got them screwed in the first place.
So apparently you speak for the plant itself. You're not the same as everyone in this world. Some people get hit by weed hard and some don't. For all we know how do we even know that you even smoke weed? Right. We don't. So don't be claiming shit that has no factual evidence behind it. I've smoked weed for a period of time, and when my parents found out, that was my way out of the addiction. Smoking weed is shit. It takes away what you had good to you. I mean by taking away things you cared about. Your whole mind goes in to a different process, and it thinks differently. It hurts to know that you can't do things that you once loved, and it emotionally hurts.
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I lol'd.
Retard.
Firstly, I'm not a kid. Don't think because something makes sense to you, other people are idiots because they don't think the same. I am not your minor. Secondly, you state one of my family members is a dumbass for trying something harder. Yet your perfectly fine because you didn't. Isn't that an opinion? Some people think your a dumbass for smoking weed so who's the valid one? Just because it didn't affect you the same way doesn't mean it won't affect others that way. That is something your simple mind can't grasp. I never said weed MADE him do it now did I? No... I clearly said he smoked it until he didn't "feel" anything anymore, then went to something more. Does that mean the weed MADE him do it? No it does not. What does it mean then? It means he wanted something to fulfill what the weed was no longer fulfilling. Again, just because you didn't have the same experience doesn't mean others can't.
Now on to my original point. Regardless of what research has shown, I base my debates on personal experiences. I have said that numerous times. I would much rather have it stay illegal than make it legal and risk seeing more people turn out that way.
On a side note: If weed is legalized... will companies have the option of hiring people who smoke weed? I highly doubt it. Why? It'd be discrimination. They already can't reject someone for smoking cigarettes (unless the job specifically requires being physically fit). So if it's legalized, we all have to work along side people who may be stoned. That actually reminds me of when I used to work for Lowe's. Obviously they have a no drugs policy. I use to drive forklifts in the receiving area for them. Well, one day while a fellow associate was on a forklift grabbing a cement pallet from the 3rd rack, he went too far in and knocked the whole rack over. He could have killed someone if they were close by. Do you know why he did? Because he was stoned and couldn't judge the distance accurately. How do I know? He openly admitted it. As I stated before, it affects everyone differently, and I'd rather not run the risk of someone's death because of this. You can say companies will still be able to place restrictions on drugs being allowed, but how long will that hold up before some stoner fights the cause and wins. The main arguement would most likely be "If cigarettes are allowed on breaks, why isn't weed?". Please don't deny that because it's pretty damn obvious it would happen. If people can sue and win because "Eminem made my son call a girl a hoe", they can surely win this.
I have to agree on you with this. I also agree on the fact it depends on the person. I have 2 friends, (yes they are both real) 1 smokes weed alot and the other one did to. Let's call friend 1 A and friend 2 B. A loves weed to relive stress and just smokes it for the feelings, and is addicted. I asked A how is it possible to be addicted to weed, he said "I can't really stop thinking about it, I am always wanting more and more." He doesn't really care tho because his mom doesn't stop him and buys it for him. My friend B smoked weed with friend A a lot. Friend B didn't stop but did not have any urges or anything because he knew he didn't want or need it. Friend A thinks he needs it to relive himself much like cigarettes. My point being is it depends on the person and their mental structure. If they are hurt mentally, or not really mentally stable then they will think they are addicted and think they need harder stuff (I.E. Cocaine, meth ect..) You just need a good mind standing.
Don't know if that made sense to you but made clear sense to me (of course it will)
Maybe I'm just 'simple minded' - But do I sense a blatant contradiction?
i had my last professional fight high http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU8PuY0JgQI
*spoilers*
High and still winning :o pro xD
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