You obviously don't get the concept of that, do you ?
Ofcourse those who only "chill" won't get anything...
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You obviously don't get the concept of that, do you ?
Ofcourse those who only "chill" won't get anything...
I think most of the countries in Europe has the plan as well in the one I'm living in and well, not alotta bums outside and its not the idea its how its gonna be put thats the problem for America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigged
Well, I understand the fact that your money is being given away to people are just gonna buy booze, but think of the good deed your doing.. Besides, who wants bums nowadays.. <_<
ahahaha please tell me you actually believe this because that would be fucking hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Rigged
You are implying you were actually proud to be American to begin with? Seriously, what the hell could you be proud about?Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
And you wonder why the world dislikes the US.
Still it's good that he has won.
First of all that's bullshit, second of all, that's bullshit.Quote:
I mean, he wants all of the US to have an equal share of money, so therefore, I you worked your ass off and wasted your life at college, then proceed onto a high paying job, Obama takes that money and gives it to the poor. People are living off of your hard-earned money. I think that is bullshit.
Obama doesn't want a equal share of money, he's not a communist. What he wants is that the rich have to pay more taxes so that money is better shared. You cannot honestly tell me that you think it's fair that the higher ups from say oil companies deserve their millions, whereas a hardworking lower class person deserves only a few thousand.
You talk about hard earned money, well trust me, most of the hard earned money can be found in the low income groups, they have to work hard for just a bit of money, the people who make millions don't work hard for it, not seeing how much they get.
Say a poor person gets 20 grand a year (now i don't know the normal numbers in the US, so don't bitch about them), 40+ hour work weeks, a rich person gets 5 million a year (some way and way more) and works also 40+ hours a week, so the rich person gets 250 times as much, do you honestly think he works 250 times as hard, or deserves it 250 times as much etc etc?
Get real.
Now i'm not saying making a lot of money should be stopped, neither is Obama, high paying jobs is what makes the economy go, if everyone would get exactly the same, then why would any bother working harder then neccasary, but the differences between incomes in most countries (if not all) is complete crap.
We live in a world where corporations from the rich countries exploit the poor countries for cheap labor etc, then they sell it for way more to the actual hard working people making billions, and you dare to tell me that they shouldn't give up more of their "hard worked money". Seriously you right winged extremists need to seriously piss off.
Oh and incase you didn't know yet, most people who are poor come from poor families, families who can't put their kids through college because your government is so fucked up (i mean i actually have a income that i can live off while i go to college, that i purely get because i am in college), so don't be a jackass and pretend the world is as you see it right now, because you are truely mistaken.
Now to get you to think about 1 more thing. In the Netherlands we have some oil, no large amounts, however we are still talking about billions. Shell is pumping that, they make shitloads of money from it, the higher ups get insane amounts of money for their "hard" work, yet the oil is supposed to be from all of us, afterall no one truely owns it, no one created it or whatever, how fair is it that they are filling their pockets, while we see hardly any from it.
PS. I hope you become extremely poor and everyone drops you for being a poor bastard.
You listen to McCain too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigged
Are you going to make over 250,000 dollars a year?
He doesn't TAKE money and GIVE it to the poor, he just wants to tax people who make over 250,000 dollars more.
Seriously, tbh, I hate the US. I want to move to canada, I don't like the war, I don't like the economy, it's all fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
I hope Barak trys to clean up the mess that Bush made.
Bush was a big asshole and hopefully for everyone will Obama cleans the mess
Same here. I loved the speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He redid the I have a dream speech and it was sooooooo awsome!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LightWarrior
I take pride in my country. No matter what, I shall always be proud to call myself an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
if I was 1 I wouldnt be proud to call myself an american
Good thing your not then.Quote:
Originally Posted by joorohoo
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Every American's tax money goes towards social security payments for the unemployed/poor, so why bother complaining about something that already takes place?
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if you really think it's the richest people who are the hardest working population then goddamn you dumb. The middle and working class people work much harder for much less, and oh look, it's them who are getting the tax cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watounment
How about you actually take the initiative of researching and looking up the actual policies, instead of listening to the biased Palin/McCain speeches about the whole tax thing and spreading the wealth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watounment
IF you're an American, you should take some time to learn about your own PRESIDENT...
It's sad that I know more about Obama than you, and I'm Canadian.
And that is not his policy, even read up at what all the other people said, and you'll be a little more educated.
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Oh really? I'm sorry but that's really stupid. I mean what you are saying is that when the US throws a few nukes on Europe and Asia, you will still be a proud American...Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
If you are proud to be something, then you are proud of the actions they have taken, you are proud of what Bush has done etc.
I'm not kidding when i said that that's why people dislike Americans. The type of Americans who talk about being proud to be American and who come with the whole "God bless America" are the ones who are very much disliked. Such statements make you look like you think you are higher then the rest, considering the attitude towards the rest of the world it's not that strange that people think that.
I'm not proud to be Dutch, and that considering our country is not even half as fucked as yours is.
Right, less government, yeah because that's been working so well. A proper government can control the country, keep it balanced and all that, whereas in the US banks go bankrupt with all the crap that comes with it, here in the Netherlands our government uses money to keep banks from going bankrupt, we even bought 1 bank (or 2 depending how you look at it), 1 of the biggest btw, costed us 17,6 billion euro, ofcourse we don't risk that way having a major crisis that way.Quote:
I do do research, as you can see. My main concern about Obama is his socialist-like views. We need less government, not more.
The fact is that the lack of government interference is what screwed the US big time, and don't say it ain't true, after all this time it's been proven that the lack of it is what caused this, the same as what happens here and pretty much every other country, every country in world feels the effect of the mistakes the US made, hence why it's even more important you keep your shit together, atleast long enough for the dollar to get replaced with the euro, which already has proved to be superior due to being very stable.
Here in the United Kingdom, you have to pay more money if you are in a well paid job.
But quite frankley, I am getting pissed off. I am in a well paid job, and I pay more for the home less. They should be fucking shot in my case! They do nothing, and we are paying for their well being.
Obama ftw!
You might not realize it, but the homeless don't cost that much, it's the ones with a home and all without a job that cost a lot.
The problem with people like yourself is that you don't realize that if you were to get jobless that you would need money from the very same pile that you are now pissed off about.
Things happen to people, it could happen to you, you could 1 day wake up to find out that a few of your family members were in a car accident and passed away, it wouldn't be weird if you were to get depressed, lose your job etc etc... who takes care off you then? Right, the people who pay taxes.
You have to take care of each other, if 1 falls down then the others help him up, if you fall down others will help you up, if you don't then you end up in a country where everyone has falled down and where the economy went to shit. How good would that be for your money huh?
Ah you brought up exactly what I wanted you to bring up. Your saying it as though the United States was founded by George Bush and all it has ever done has been under the Bush administration. The US has a very productive history and has been a great country for over 2 centuries which is why I shal always be proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Now I am sorry to hear that you do not take pride in being Dutch but I am very very proud to be an American.
I am dutch too but I am too not proud for being it we have a fucked up country so yeah what do you want
Same here except I'm prouder to say I am ever prouder to be an American-Citizen!Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
I ain't Dutch and I respect The Netherlands tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by joorohoo
Can't see whats so fucked up here?
yeah the netherlands but belgium is completly different the assholes of the goverment putting all the money in their pockets and dont do a fucking thing that makes me so angry
you dont get rich by working hard, you get rich either by being shrewd and smart or by being born into it, and it's been that way since forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watounment
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EDIT: Looking at Obama's website, I also see that he wants to raise the minimum wage, which makes me think this will also increase prices as businesses will have to pay their employees more
that's what they said would happen over here, now the minimum wage is
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McCain got pwned in the face.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xepher
God, If you make 250k a year and you get taxed a little bit, And bitch about it? Damn, I would be happy with making 250k and deal with the taxes (Small price to pay if you ask me)
Let's face it, none of us in here make 250k a year, So why bring this into the topic? Are greedy Elitist Americans
President dosen't get taxed.
Ehh? what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
atack ozama
think about it, he didnt become great by working in printing shops and getting promotions, he became great because of his brilliant mind - his wits, intelligence and ingenuity. just as I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watounment
in fact, the most well payed jobs require no education, and very few people with degrees will ever leave the middle class bracket. you have a very idyllic view of employment. working hard is not enough to become rich through promotion, it's a sad fact of life. is it a coincidence that executives of big corporations tend to be taller than average? That they are disproportionately white males? Sorry, but the American dream 'bootstrapping' ideals are a complete myth.Quote:
If someone works hard in college and gets good grades, etc., they are more likely to get a good paying job. If they work hard there and become one of the best employees, they can be promoted, make more money, etc. I don't understand how hard work doesn't make you rich. Of course there will be people that cheat and steal to become rich, but surely many people have worked hard to gain their success.
Everyone pays taxes.
President does not pay taxes. Im not sure about congress member but I know for a fact that the President does not pay taxes.
What are you talking about.. every single person in the US has to pay tax where they're a government official or not, that's why they make the presidents tax return publicly available.
Bush - http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interact...taxes/bush.pdf
Cheney - http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interact...xes/cheney.pdf
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...xes/index.html
Half of it is probably for show like donating to charities and stuff.
I saw it was on ch2 election day too.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuribohgx
fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by KyleEnosWrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuribohgx
Still, there are a lot of 'organizations' that don't pay taxes, at all. And there are people who worked for the IRS who no longer pay taxes, and aren't questioned about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker
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Amazing, purely amazing.
Right because the Bush administration has been the only bad 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
You are proud of a country that breaks every record on the planet with deaths by guns
You are proud of a country that's considered a wealthy country, yet has a enormous amount of homeless people
You are proud of a country that has tried to force their ideals on other countries many times
You are proud of a country that treats supposed terrorists in terrible ways without them ever being allowed to get a lawyer
You are proud of a country that has electees that were bought and paid for by organizations like the NRA to make sure guns don't get outlawed
You are proud of a country that abuses kids in poor countries to make their stuff so they can make shitloads of it.
Those are just a few things about America that you are proud off, because if you are proud of something, then you are proud of the choices that person or in this case that country has made, i'm not proud of mine because there are quite a few choices that i disagree with, you apparantly not. Now if that was limited to just 1 president, who did get re-elected btw, it wasn't a 1 time stupid thing... then i could say ok, be proud, but Bush is just the tip of the iceberg.
why are you proud of something that you couldn't help and had nothing to do with? and of course by associating with it in such a way you are expressing pride in one of the most backward countries in the western world. As Gohan said, the things he listed are only the start of why America is so messed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
gap year military dont pay tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuribohgx
Corruption in scociety.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyleEnos
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Rule YU
I think the law is going to be harder on racism now.
No kidding? Lol.
I was hoping he would win, some reason i don't like that mccain guy
Maybe because......... McCain = Bush #2?
He shouldn't even think of "race" one time during his election, every move he does, is going to be judged of who it benifits more, the "whites" or "blacks". A lot of people think this way, they do. I just hope that whatever happens, he doesn't get assinated, because that's only going to lead to a race riot, which could still possibly happen, if he messes up at all, theres a lot of weight on his hands. for future black presidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeveOrWevo
Welldone obama grandma!
Obama rules McCain :D
Yes, we can!
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Congratulations with your new president, America!
Im sorry im late, but Obama merked the votes 200:90 lol.
Whoot
Obama Ftw
I finally turned of the T.V after he finished his speech (It was a great speech btw)
Good so all those KKK people get what they deserved 50 years ago. Which is getting raped in County Jail LOL. I hope Obama does something good fast cause I think America was getting a bit out of hand with the financial crisis, wars, terrorist, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeveOrWevo
Im late, i stayed up to watch that shit. I feel it for McCain he somehow lost Ohio and virginia, there freaking republican states. Gutted. Go Obama
Well we have to wait untill January for him to officialy be president.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigorga
http://jj.am/gallery/d/49302-1/Obama_serious.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramuthra
Absolute nonsense. McCain would do a much better job then Bush ever did.Quote:
Originally Posted by xriss
Then again even a rotting corpse could do better, but still.
McCain is older o-oQuote:
Originally Posted by Harbour
Obama in his 30's
No he's not, Obama is 47.
Also he's referring to Obama's grandma passing away a day before the elections, which has influenced votes, i have no doubt he would have won otherwise, but i'm certain he gained some extra votes due to it.
I do not know why but that made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphabeat
True, but remember that as a senator McCain voted in line with Bush's views 100% of the time this year, and 95% last year. He may well be more competent but any claims of him bringing 'change' would be a bit of a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
Obama Obama ObamaQuote:
Originally Posted by I Rule MU
He said "Yes we can"
and we did.
I'm sure he'll make a great president, and McCain was basically an older version of bush.
I don't know if someone posted this yet :O
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...5849626371.jpg
For the win :). Don't kill me please o_o.
Obama ftw :D
ROFL ^^
Love that picture :):
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by xKathieee
If you're trying to say Biden makes his moves. Well you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasta
Obama makes his own choices. He doesn't just listen to Biden, he might discuss things
with him but that's about it. They''ll BOTH change America and make it better, from what Bush did.
McCain was the SAME thing as Bush.
You can hate as much as you want :):
My interpretation is that Obama would be killed and Biden would be president.
Unless Obama dies before he's president then the combo breaker still counts, Biden would simply be the next president after Obama.
This is such bullshit, McCain would have done things different. Just because they are both republican doesn't mean they are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0wned
my thoughts are you should keep your interpretations to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuribohgx
read bellow, damn lag on my end made a double post.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=7808
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/...by-larry-chin/
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/o...21/142764.html
http://www.topix.com/city/keller-tx/...ht-an-election
http://www.nwotruth.com/2008-electio...-by-big-money/
Post a thesis of what you think about democrats buying the election for obama, must include creditable sources, and why you came to that conclusion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6BS...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11...oked-neo-nais/
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=212000495
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2670
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/...-at-the-polls/
http://beltwayblips.com/video/voting..._philadelphia/
Post what you think about the black panthers intimidating people to vote for obama, the racism against white ppl, and what it meant for the voting population.
My conclusion on Democrats Buying The White House: The democrats bought the electorial ballot for Obama with a massive load of money raised by the internet. The end result was the slaughter for mccain on election day. The media black out on Obama along with his past history and records also coudl be tied to this. For some reason people do not want us to know the real Obama.
My Conclusion on Black Panthers Racism At The Polls: the black panthers played a minor part in the voting. Their presence at the polls only showed racism towards white people. In addition today, more white and asian people are kept as slaves in the usa, illegal slave trafficing, than black and mexican people. Mexican people are treated like utter trash, they take the jobs not even black people or asan people want, and yet we treat them like animals. My final thoughts were the black panthers were only expressing that they hate white people, and to support Obama only cause he was black.
How did Mike Huckabee not win if he was endorsed by Chuck Norris?
simply put mike didnt win cuz he wanted to cut taxes out of the usa politics completely. no one would offer support to him in the senate and or house if they lost all the money from taxes. remember usa depends on taking money and power from people to stay alive.
I know, I know, I was making a dumb Chuck Norris joke -.-
Butt-hurt republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by c4cadvisor
Qft. Perfect post right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyleEnos
i am brand new , i havent read the hole theard , but i wounder .. has it always happend , u dont think he will get corrupted? thats the worst case senario but this always happend ..
i am hoping obama is not currupt. if he is, then i laugh at all of you
Obama girl rox! :d
Right, because McCain lost on purpose because he simply did not want to show the world the "real" Obama...Quote:
My conclusion on Democrats Buying The White House: The democrats bought the electorial ballot for Obama with a massive load of money raised by the internet. The end result was the slaughter for mccain on election day. The media black out on Obama along with his past history and records also coudl be tied to this. For some reason people do not want us to know the real Obama.
If something negative could be said about Obama, even if the chances of it being real was small, then it was used.
As for money being pumped in his campaign... well duh, that's how elections are partially won, by using shitloads of cash. Nothing new about that. You should ask yourself this though, what does it tell you that so many people donated to his campaign?
Real obama? Whos that then?Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
well the 2 thing u say its what any candidate does in an election