Omg cross your fingers

[xeLJoYo]

Im talking bout that guy who's in the news >_>

why on earth would I like Bush? He's a retard!

[exclamatio]

Interesting and yes, i am rather ignorant when it comes to these so called prophecies. However if they do exist that means "Fate" or "Destiny" exists which i refuse to believe. Anyways, at school right now so i'll come back later and write a mile long page in some attempt to continue this lovely argument. ;)

Anyways, now that i'm home i can talk :).

If what you say is true there is really almost nothing i can say to counteract this. Except for the fact alot of times people interpret incorrectly and find similarities to real life events in past riddles, poems or religious documents such as the bible which are probably and most likely in metaphorical form which in the end makes them misinterpret the prophecies. I may not be an expert on this however i still refuse to believe FATE or DESTINY exists. Despite it may be beyond our understanding//comprehension. I just can't accept that. Prophecies that come true might mean there is fate however that cannot be the only explaination. And if there is fate, there is a god or some other power we don't know controling this. Me being athiest that doesn't help that theory either :p.

Still interesting though regardless.

the thing with looking into the future is that you can only see so far

imagine you are walking through a dark cavern with many twists and turns and thousands of possible routes through, if you are holding a lantern you can only see a short way ahead. now how far and which part of the cave you can see depends on which way you have come, if you only walked down the left hand side there is no chance ud see what is on the right unless you started going back that way

such is life, clairvoyancy isnt always 100% correct and never will be because we do have free will and nothing is written in stone

now things are written, but they can be erased, some things easier than others

Heh
I used to be quite like you vendeku(tho im an athiest still), not believing in fate etc. However, i started to do some research on the ancient prophecies, specially the egyptian, mayan and peruvian(spelling?).
I found out all their astrological buildings were made in approximatelly 10 500 BC. Ok, i thought so what (tho yeah, lets travel all around the world to build great astrological buildings everywhere made no sense).
But what started to change my opinion about fate was this. One of the peruvian provinces prophecised their doom ahead by ca 200 years by the date. It cant be just a coincidence, since there are many like it (like as ex pointed out, nostradamus)
All you need is time to think the fate/destiny (ok, i still dont believe in destiny) thing over for yourself, you wont accept it in a day or two

the mind boggles at how much they knew, its absolutely crazy that todays knowledge doesnt really even touch on it

[Sardaukar]

meh, in my own opinion, alot of you are dumbshits.


I bet theres no one more qualified to deal with whats happenign then Bush, and if you rag on him when you have -no concept- or have even been in the military.. not sure how you can expect to make any rhetorical comment on what Bush does.


Bush did a hell of a job so far, and I bet any one of you couldn't even begin to comprehend what it takes to lead a country.. I know I can't, but from my experiences, I know that alot of you are blowing smoke out your asses and don't know the first thing about keeping somethign the size of America to keep ticking.

Oh.. Congress can lick my righ tnut sack :-) Just a bunch of old rich fogies trying to look imnportant, they would be better off serving my fucking hamburgers at McDonalds.
anyways.. /flame off lol

[Vendaku~Metal]

meh, in my own opinion, alot of you are dumbshits.


I bet theres no one more qualified to deal with whats happenign then Bush, and if you rag on him when you have -no concept- or have even been in the military.. not sure how you can expect to make any rhetorical comment on what Bush does.


Bush did a hell of a job so far, and I bet any one of you couldn't even begin to comprehend what it takes to lead a country.. I know I can't, but from my experiences, I know that alot of you are blowing smoke out your asses and don't know the first thing about keeping somethign the size of America to keep ticking.

Oh.. Congress can lick my righ tnut sack :-) Just a bunch of old rich fogies trying to look imnportant, they would be better off serving my fucking hamburgers at McDonalds.
anyways.. /flame off lol

Moron. Bush is doing a hell of a job? Bullshit. In general bush does fuck all. Not to mention there is basically no socialism left in the U.S except basically for the fucking school system, in which they are considering to privatize. Yeah, he's a real work of art ain't he? Sad that canada is following their role pretty quick with these conservative assholes leading. To idiots like bush, money is all that matters. And yes, leading a country is not easy. But he's not exactly that bright either. Look at the more respected presidents like the JFK's. Hell, they're basically all dead and still commands more respect then bush ever will in his life time. America won't be ticking for long when money is needed for every aspect of life. Litereally every aspect because of people like bush failing to do shit all to prevent that because evidently to him destroying terrorists are more important and "somehow" benefits his country.

[MuRdOc]

Being dumb already comes along with the giant bullshit package of capitalism and relligion. Try again. :icon6:

just needed to add something.

[exclamatio]

Moron. Bush is doing a hell of a job? Bullshit. In general bush does fuck all. Not to mention there is basically no socialism left in the U.S except basically for the fucking school system, in which they are considering to privatize. Yeah, he's a real work of art ain't he? Sad that canada is following their role pretty quick with these conservative assholes leading. To idiots like bush, money is all that matters. And yes, leading a country is not easy. But he's not exactly that bright either. Look at the more respected presidents like the JFK's. Hell, they're basically all dead and still commands more respect then bush ever will in his life time. America won't be ticking for long when money is needed for every aspect of life. Litereally every aspect because of people like bush failing to do shit all to prevent that because evidently to him destroying terrorists are more important and "somehow" benefits his country.

agreed on all counts