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cannabis: if smokings legal, may as well be. both are nasty imo
drinking: dont drink but maybe once at a party.. drinking age is fine in the us.. kids underage drink all the time anyway
cops with guns: yeah that should continue
gay parents adopting: dunno can see good and bad but if love is there anythings possible
gay marriage: not treading on my rights to legalize it... have no problem with it
abortion: personal choice, GOVERNMENT STAY OUT
Abortion now is another good topic, i feel that it should only be allowed if and only if the mother's life is at risk. otherwise you will be killing a helpless soul who you will be depriving them of thier god given right to walk on the face of the earth.
NoPeace - out
So bring the baby in anyways even if the mother is a drug addict and will never be there for it and because of all the drugs it will most likely develop some problems of its own, and if it's born addicted to something and takes it all its life then just repeats the pattern, then what? She can give it up for adoption where it will go to probably good people though it will have to live with a drug addict as a biological mother, and it could stil have all those problems because iof its mother drug abuse.
Here is the stand of religious people on gays. Normal men and women are created by god according to the bible and the koran. While those of a deviant sexual orientation (gays and lesbos) are created by the devil. But for me personally i dont have issues with the third sex coz i have doubts on the existence of both god and the devil
That's nice, but i don't give a crap about the bible or any religion, yet for some reason i can still get married... oh yeah that's because marriage isn't just a religion thing, you know if they can't marry in a church, i don't care, but a normal marriage is very different, and a religion has nothing to do with that.Quote:
you see my views on homosexuality is based on the bible (i am an ordained minister just to let u know)
as u all should know, the US laws is based on the bible and in the bible it plainly says that mariage is the union between a man and woman, im all for civil unions of homosexuals but marriage is out of the question
Also i know religions are by someones own choices and believes and shit, but gay marriages not being allowed by the supposedly god only shows to me it's a load of crap, surely god should be the one supporting these things, aren't we all gods childeren, and i don't give a crap if it's called a sin, if god really created us, then god fucked up, because no one is gay by choice, so god should accept his own mistakes and let them live their life, there is not a single good reason why gay people shouldn't be allowed to be happy, they don't do bad things (at least not through a result of being gay or anything) and they won't get childeren, so they couldn't make more of this "bad" breed.
Why do you think people marry, and i'm just talking about the religious people, why do everyone else marry? I can tell you why, because although it's just a few simple things, it has a important meaning to someone, it strenghtens their connection, their relationship etc etc, why can straight people do this, and not gay people?Quote:
Why do they have to get married if they love each other? Why can't they recongnize their own union instead of demanding to be included into the beleifs of other religions/people?
[quote]Sexual orientation of a parent is critical to the upbringing of a child. Society is based on the ideal of having heterosexual parents, and it goes against values for same sex parents to raise children. Having homosexual parents is also a major stressor for a child due to society's norms and values. It can cause embarrassment and abnormal feelings. Children who are raised in
legialze pot
only thing i care about realy
Gohan is my hero :wub2: always says what I'm thinking :P (well, ALMOST always) :grin:
I'm saying we should have sex *hopes that's what she is thinking*
;)
Anyway off to bed, feel free to join me. ;)
when you wake up:
When somone goes into a mariage they aren't thinking of doing it because it will strenghten their connection, their relationship etc etc, but because they want to spend the rest of their life with the other person (look @ wedding vows). If a gay couple ned a marriage to strengten they're relationship through marriage then they have some serious problems.
Imagine how a boy, through no fault of his own, would get his ass kicked and made fun of at school because he has 2 dads or two moms, he may accept his parents but the other children he knows wouldn't be the same. How would two parents, born gay, have any clue about the problems he goes through with girls or anything else if they never experienced that and can't parent him through it?
Kids get their "ass kicked" for all sorts of reasons.. whether it's because of their family/color/appearance/background/intelligence/etc... Sure it's not acceptable for most people but hey letting blacks into white schools wasn't either, etc etc.. How do they relate? Both are about tolerance, or lack thereofQuote:
Originally Posted by iod
Time's change and people change and ideals change with them. Tolerance or Intolerance will rule the day either way.
animals are not self-aware, keep that in mind. and also remember that the bible clearly states that god only have humans souls, therefore they can only go to heaven, if you even care about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
also [to everyone who posted here], lets not break this out into a flame war. if that happens, im going to lock this thread.
oh and becky, my state sent in the national gaurd to stop black kids from going to school =P, then the president sent in some more national troops to fight those guys off. there was about to be another civil war in my state =P if you look in the history books you will find that.
Yeah but some places are slowe then others in changing (look at south US) where racism is still a big problem. Kids still make fun of kids for having a certain color of hair or being a certain weight I don't think it will just stop after ~10 years. Look at anti-semitism that's been going on for thousands of years and it's still a problem.
kaoii I don't think anyone's been flaming yet all just friendly debating :D atleast if anyont hinks I've flamed them I haven't I'm incapapble of getting mad at people just very annoyed (which i'm not here).
You ever talk to an animal? How do you know :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
Anyway, putting the bible into politics can get very controversial.... Some people believe it others don't.. so you gotta be careful with trying to persuade people this way.
That's the thing, it's never going to stop. No matter what you do. But to deny people rights under grounds of a religious belief? That's getting close to home with many people.Quote:
Originally Posted by iod
Religious belefis that have existed and people have died for for thousands of years then all of a sudden some people who have beleifs the religion is against want to be included in one of its most sacred ceremoinies.
Well in the end, it comes down to the people to decide. So if the people want it, they get it. If the people of the U.S. (or insert your country here) vote for such things, then that's how it goes. I have no problem with that. I just think it's up to the states to decide (once again an American thing) and not the National Government to put a constitutional ban on it. But once again, that's the people's choice..Quote:
Originally Posted by iod
Agreed.
I enjoyed our mini convo, sadly, I gotta go hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by iod
With that I say good day Sir :smilie3:
Well guys all teenagers are driven by people around them. Gangs, Friends and community. If the individual has enough brains he would not drink and get married at the age of 16 or 17 and then divorce and adopt there children. I recently watched a Documentary like Bowling for Columbine. I think it is called "Tennagers gone Mad". It shows teenagers getting smashed by friends to enter there gang. If they handle the pain and do not cry or tell the police of there actions he is in the gang. That is how low teenagers mind around the world are. Also it shows teenagers with there friends filming there selves killing people for there wallets and belongings. Also it showed viewers that students that attend college have sex and drink beer more than they learn. I was amazed by teenagers these days and how they think. I my Self a Teenager do not think of any of that and as i am a fellow Muslim i cannot have sex until i get married. Teenagers these days think sex is fun and do it to show off to there friends and then when the Woman has a baby and the teenager finds out that it is hes, He just says bad luck to the lady and never sees her again while she has to go through the pain of pregnancy and give birth to the baby. Then further on she adopts the baby and thats why there are so much homeless kids. I think parents should not let go of there children especially during Teenage years.
Please guys do not Flame me for what i said i am just pointing out my Point of View
Why do gay people have serious problems if they want to marry, but straight people don't have serious problems if they want to marry?Quote:
When somone goes into a mariage they aren't thinking of doing it because it will strenghten their connection, their relationship etc etc, but because they want to spend the rest of their life with the other person (look @ wedding vows). If a gay couple ned a marriage to strengten they're relationship through marriage then they have some serious problems.
Like Becky said, you get your ass kicked for any reason they can think off, true with childeren of gays it will be harder on them, however society will adapt, just think about how gays are accepted now, and 20 years ago.Quote:
Imagine how a boy, through no fault of his own, would get his ass kicked and made fun of at school because he has 2 dads or two moms, he may accept his parents but the other children he knows wouldn't be the same. How would two parents, born gay, have any clue about the problems he goes through with girls or anything else if they never experienced that and can't parent him through it?
You got to be kidding me... do you think animals aren't aware of love, or hate, do you know what a dog does when you are kind to them? Do you also know what a dog does when he feels you are going to do something to the person who is kind to him?Quote:
animals are not self-aware, keep that in mind. and also remember that the bible clearly states that god only have humans souls, therefore they can only go to heaven, if you even care about that.
Animals do have a soul, and they are fully aware of what is happening, the only difference between them and us is that their IQ is much lower, they aren't as intelligent, but they still are very aware of things, they understand you better then you think.
That will never stop, it's in childerens nature to make fun of others, and they don't care what to use, will it either be gay parents, having a crush on a certain girl, being poor or whatever, and otherwise they will just think of something, that's just how it works.Quote:
Yeah but some places are slowe then others in changing (look at south US) where racism is still a big problem. Kids still make fun of kids for having a certain color of hair or being a certain weight I don't think it will just stop after ~10 years. Look at anti-semitism that's been going on for thousands of years and it's still a problem.
Marriage in a church or something might be sacred, but the marriage outside isn't sacred, that's to make you and your partner legally married.Quote:
Religious belefis that have existed and people have died for for thousands of years then all of a sudden some people who have beleifs the religion is against want to be included in one of its most sacred ceremoinies.
Are you going to tell me now that sex isn't fun?Quote:
Teenagers these days think sex is fun
Don't get me wrong, i do believe they shouldn't just have sex and all, but still...
Marriage is a religious ceremony like it or not, and if you don't agree then you must agree that marriage's roots are religious.
If gay marriage is ever allowed, it should not be a marriage [due to this being a religious ceremony], it should be more of a union type thing.
Marriage is not religious, as for the roots, a part of it is yes, however you do realise that it represents many things, and this doesn't require any religion, just because the bible claims it's a religious thing doesn't mean it really is. However the marriage exactly described in the bible is religious, however this is not how the non-religious marry.
The religious people marry before god, the non religious people marry before the state etc.
On top of that, there are many religions, and for some reason they are mostly accepted, and they can all get married, what stops gay people from making a new religion where gay people can get married? Why wouldn't that be allowed, because other religions don't accept it? That's just bull.
You know all these churches and all have each their own religion, now if they don't accept gay people then fine, don't let them in, don't let them get married there, but if they want to get married somewhere else then it's not anyones business.
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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
well heres a thought. do you want to go to a resturaunt and see two guys grabbing each others asses?
do you want to walk into a bathroom and hear some guy saying "Oh, James, suck it harder!" "Oh god, Vinnie, your cum tastes great!!" "Oh god! Turn over, I want inside of you , now!"
do you want to go to the park to see some guys walking down holding hands and kissing and crap?
I don't want my kids to grow up in an environment like that. What if I don't care about discrimination? What if I don't want to move? The truth is, i'm always going to be against gay marriage regardless of what you say.
Do you want to see your mother and father (if they are still together ofcourse, if not then just pretend it) have sex, or do you want to see them grab each other ass? Don't think so, do you want to deny them their relation aswell?
As for your question do i like to see or hear any of those, no i don't, but i certainly will not deny them it, what would you say if people would tell you that you can't get married or that your relationship is wrong just because they don't like to see you with a girl holding hands and kissing etc?
Anyway i see your problem is not with gay marriages, your problem is with gay people, you are a homophobe.
The only thing i got left to say to you is that you should start accepting people for who they are, they can't help it that they are like that, they didn't choose to be gay, they were born like that, and you want to deny their happiness, how fair is that eh?
This upsets me tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaoii
In the end, people can say it's religious reasons or traditional reasons but the majority of the time the real reason is intolerance (as you are saying)
Kind of funny so many people love the gay/lesbian (ESPECIALLY) porn but those same people will be against gay marriages... hmmmmm
Discrimination isn't right.. See there were times when people said "I don't want to see no black person round there parts" and what ended up happening? Sure that still happens but thanks to Civil Rights LEGALLY it CAN'T.
I hope no one here against gay marriage ever has a son/daugther that ends up gay/lesbian...
I hope so aswell, not for the parents sake but for the childs sake, there are many gay people who have lost their parents because of this, because they simply can't accept that their child is gay.