God = Fake, why bother even making a thread like this.... We need a thread which has a poll saying who believes in god or not.
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God = Fake, why bother even making a thread like this.... We need a thread which has a poll saying who believes in god or not.
aha ok then
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Originally Posted by ..............
Dude get a life.
Start living.
Go outside, i know it might sound scary, but you should try it.
I don't think a new Christ will return.
To add on that, evidence leads to proof. Proof is the the mainframe of provine. In order to prove something, you must have necessary evidence.Quote:
so it must be true? That isn't proof, it's evidence, and there's a difference.
On a whole different level, Christ might have been alive or might not but what you see in textbooks are information that is hypothesized based on primary and secondary sources. These sources could be valid. or invalid where the historians read it wrong or perhaps the actually person during the late BCs were imagining things.
Another fact is what the MAJORITY believe. If one person said Jesus lived, then they would say BULLSH!T. If everyone did, you would say I knew that. (Based on the majority of human reactions). Perhaps Jesus never existed, but many people during that time era believed so. The information was passed to historians of today and it was added to a text book, never proven true nor false.
Think about it abit =)! You are free to oppose my ideas if you wish.
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Originally Posted by Smo
Hmm, foolish comment. There has been over two HUNDRED accounts (in writing) of Jesus's existance. Now, this question is fueled by ethics. No solid proof is avalible to anwser this. However, the bible clearly states that Jesus will return (probably in the next 50 years, however, don't quote me) and will reign.
So there isn't any proof that your are alive right now. Its "evidence", eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smo
Hardly a foolish comment, you still haven't given me proof. It's evidence. A story is evidence. I won't believe it until someone can give me something substantial, and a book full of lies isn't exactly credible. To top it off, there's no way some dude can appear out of nowhere and expect to 'reign' - just try claiming you're Jesus and expect the Governments of the whole world to hand over absolute power. Not going to happen. Point being, even if he did come back, he'd get nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarleVVLL
Photographs of me on the forum are proof, so is the video I posted, also the fact that I have replied in this topic and responded to your comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarleVVLL
Hmm, I don't want to start this as a flame war. Anyways, a book of lies you say? Tell me ONE lie that the bible as claimed..ONLY ONE! Btw, Jesus being the Messiah cannot be one of them, because you can't prove that he isn't. Photo's and stories are the same thing. So, you need 'proof' that King Herod was alive then? Or how about the Budha? Some things just require alittle bit of faith, moderator.
The Bible claims the Earth is roughly 4,000 years old. We got rocks millions of years old, Radio Halos, Carbon-14 dating, Radiometric dating, Uranium-238/5 dating, Thorium-232 dating, Rubidium-87 dating, Potassium-40 dating, Samarium-147 dating and many more ways to prove that it's far older than 4,000 years. It's impossible for every single type of dating to be wrong, the elements can't be changed.
How's that?
Faith in religion is something I have nothing of, by the way.
Tell me where the bible says that (quote it) and then I will belive you. It said that God created the heavens and the earth in seven days, but it didn't tell us if that was litteral or not. I can go on alot more then this. Ask me any question. Trust me, I know the bible. You also have to understand the culture in which the bible was written in. It was written from jews, to jews, so the translation isn't 'exactly' correct. The term, "days" is referring to a period of time, not necessarily 24 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smo
You don't have your facts straight, moderator.
excuse me for interrupting but wth does being a moderator have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarleVVLL
anyway i doubt he would come back
P.S.okay maybe its not 24hr hell maybe a day to them is 1hr but still by now he should of came back
well of course the bible is full of lies. it wasn't written by "god" it was written by HUMANS and constantly changed over time. so yes the bible has many flaws
the only hard thing about if he was accually 'real' in the first place is based on a book that was written many many years ago and was writen by 'MEN' about deeds(most) done by a 'MAN'. because really wat it comes down to is thats all jesus was a man nothing more. why did god allow him to die why not rescue him? why not rescue us? another question....is god real? is all by faith that ppl believe all this...but there are facts to also look at....
honey i am hoooome
?? *australia was like...WTF mate?!*Quote:
Originally Posted by TriumpH
It doesn't matter to God in the first place. Regardless, if He wanted to create the universe in two seconds, He can do that. He wanted to create it over 389573485784397598347543975834584397 trillion years, then He can do that. There isn't a difference. I don't know why this is such a big deal. Now, with the current 'end-times' teaching, Jesus may come back as soon as 50 years for the 1000 year reign (commonly known as the milleium ..or w/e). That gives ABOUT 40ish years until the tribulation..which is a seven year period of hell for christians. Things are picking up as we are basicly already in world war three with Iraq. Don't lie to yourself - there are ALOT of nations in this war against terrorism and things are only going to accelorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bensonhu
Jesus was fully man AND fully God - his son, of course. Your right, Jesus was/still is a man and nothing more, expect that He is in 100% full communion with God. Now, why did God allow him to die? Because its all for us, humans. Without a perfect sacrifice (Jesus, who was/still is perfect), we would all be in hell, unless we kept sacrificing animals for our sins. Why won't God rescue us? Is us pertaining to humans? Well, thats our choice. If you don't want to belive that Jesus died on the cross for you, then have fun burning in hell. I'm serious about that though - we are dealing with souls here. Is God real? Well, how did we (EVERYTHING) get here? Now, it seems more logical to me that a superiour creator created everything and gave us minds to figure it out rather then some random explotion omiting life forms then they evolove into more complex organisms. I just hope you guys are happy with your faith and that I'll see you in heaven, one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood_Guardian
Duh it wasn't written by God. You need to research more before you post. And duh, it was written by humans. It never said that the bible WAS written by God - it was INFLUECNED by God. Oh, and nothing has changed. By the way, most of the prophecies that have been spoken forth by people in the old testiment have came to past, most over Jesus' birth and events such as Israel comming to be a nation and the rebuilding of the temple. Tell me one things that has changed and give solid evidence. Sorry guys, you give weak arguements.Quote:
Originally Posted by aznzero
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THEN DON'T POST.
dont know,dont care
You know, while looking through for evidence of the Bible's reference to the age of Earth I discovered some strange things. Firstly, there were 30 gospels, yet the Bible consists of only 4. This is because a Priest/Bishop (whatever) in 180AD decided to compile a book which would get the heat of the Romans away from the Jews in order to save his people. He used only 4 of said gospels because they all had common belief and shared opinion, whereas the other 26 said a whole lot more.
The Bible as we know it isn't even a quarter of the whole story, and that would mean that since the compilation of this 'holy book' Christians have been led astray and believe only part of the truth. For instance, the painting of the last supper by Da Vinci portrays Mary of Lasareth sat at the table next to Jesus, and it's understood that the two were married. If that be true then there is a direct descendant to 'Christ' living among us today, but that descendant is inbred, seeing as Mary was Jesus' mother. Now what does that say about this 'perfect being'?
I find it hard to believe you think that it's more logical for some superior being to create things as we know it in an instant rather than evolution and change with time. I really do, it's not physically possible.
Also, with all your references to Heaven and Hell, what's your take on Spiritualism and Mediums? They claim to be able to make contact with souls that have 'crossed over' and they come up with indisputable evidence that they can. One such Medium, George Smith of Glasgow, Scotland has come up with names, addresses and phone numbers through his 'readings'. Now every single medium to ever come to practice has claimed that there is no Heaven and Hell, only the Spiritual world, or Quantum field, and that every soul they've ever made contact with has confirmed this.
Take note that the above is not my personal opinion, just what I have percieved from new findings.
You know, while looking through for evidence of the Bible's reference to the age of Earth I discovered some strange things. Firstly, there were 30 gospels, yet the Bible consists of only 4. This is because a Priest/Bishop (whatever) in 180AD decided to compile a book which would get the heat of the Romans away from the Jews in order to save his people. He used only 4 of said gospels because they all had common belief and shared opinion, whereas the other 26 said a whole lot more.
That is probably true, however, the four gospels that are in the bible were people that were the closest to Jesus (in terms of relationships) and posed most benefitual. However, it is very possible that people since then are only getting a portion of the story. Neverthelss, the gospels that were chosen have benefited me alot with their teachings.
The Bible as we know it isn't even a quarter of the whole story, and that would mean that since the compilation of this 'holy book' Christians have been led astray and believe only part of the truth. For instance, the painting of the last supper by Da Vinci portrays Mary of Lasareth sat at the table next to Jesus, and it's understood that the two were married. If that be true then there is a direct descendant to 'Christ' living among us today, but that descendant is inbred, seeing as Mary was Jesus' mother. Now what does that say about this 'perfect being'?
Okay, Jesus probably DIDN'T marry Mary. Why? Because Jesus did only what the Father told him. Jesus was sent to earth ONLY to save the humans, not to marry one of them. If Jesus was going to marry Mary, then He had to know that He would leave her heartbroken when He departed after His resurrection. This would be, in essence, "mean" and Jesus wouldn't want to hurt anyone. Now, is it still possible? Yes, but it isn't likely.
I find it hard to believe you think that it's more logical for some superior being to create things as we know it in an instant rather than evolution and change with time. I really do, it's not physically possible.
Whatever you want to belive is fine. I'm not here to convince you, but to tell you what I know.
Also, with all your references to Heaven and Hell, what's your take on Spiritualism and Mediums? They claim to be able to make contact with souls that have 'crossed over' and they come up with indisputable evidence that they can. One such Medium, George Smith of Glasgow, Scotland has come up with names, addresses and phone numbers through his 'readings'. Now every single medium to ever come to practice has claimed that there is no Heaven and Hell, only the Spiritual world, or Quantum field, and that every soul they've ever made contact with has confirmed this.
I have to been heaven twice and hell once, so I know both of those exist. Mediums tend to dwell on, in my opinion, demoic power. I'm dead serious too. I have been prophetic myself, but I rely on God to give me information, not my own strengh. Since I have been to both heaven AND hell, I can say, for myself nonetheless, that they exist. I don't care what anyone else says unelss they can prove me wrong. I wish I could take photo's, but I don't think our mere technology would work in perfect light. Heres a thought: what are the 4th and 5th - 21000th deminsions? Perhap spititual realms? I can't anwser that.
Take note that the above is not my personal opinion, just what I have percieved from new findings.
Aye, same here.
I thought that the person to the left of Jesus (to his right) was the apostle John, and people have been saying that it is actually Mary Magdalene (Jesus's apparent wife).Quote:
Originally Posted by Smo
Grr. I don't know why people think Jesus married. If you read the Bible and study His life and intentions, marrying someone was not a priority at all.
They probably got that from the Da Vinci Code which we all know is fiction?....right? =/Quote:
Originally Posted by MarleVVLL
Why are you all making a big fuss about whether he is real or not? Wait until it happens, until then build yourself a bridge and get over it, THE PHONE IS RINGING BUT NOBODY IS HOME!
What i am saying is having arguements about it doesn't change the fact that jesus doesn't EXSIST except if you believe he does, but that seems very silly to me.
As silly as spelling "exist" wrong?:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by FireFlyboy
Good point, the Di Vinci code is fiction. Seems to me that people take it as fact and declare it as fact. Flyflyboy - why does it seem silly?