Enough to suggest that? o0
Originally Posted by Laz-low
Enough to suggest that? o0
I'm contradicting myself, go figure ^_^
I do think some staff should say bye bye, but I also think that some staff have made the situation seem worse than ever.
It's easy too point fingers, and blame people for this and that which is what people have actually done. When what does that solve ? Absolutely nothing. Its the future that we should be concentrating on making better, but if people continue too dwell on past events instead of maning up and stepping to the plate too try help things, then that will never happen.
Which is why once again I'll say...Only a positive attitude with gain the results that you want. Trust me you can relax buddy ;).
/uptight
Na, just kiddin'. Only positive reactions would bring positive motives, I guess.
Reactions come after motives in my books pal. And I look at it in a nice and easy way, it's a Vbulletin forum, don't cry yourselves to sleep.
So....Congratulations Rishwin!!
Guess it's time for a long ass post.
It says a lot actually, and it definitely does affect us all.But I don't see how any of that affects us or says anything about their postion as smods.
What does it say? It says that not even close to enough is being done to make the staff work, it shows not only the members how things are done, but more importantly the moderators. This has 2 effects, 1 changes aren't being done, 1 of NoPeace's plans was to remove inactive Smods and put them in a advisor group. When Boko couldn't be active he requested a demod, Negata requested a demod, both FF and Aka however refuse to be demoderated, since they are still Smods they can decide on stuff, this holds back new ideas and makes the overal perfomance of the Smods complete crap. The other effect is that the (s)mods are getting pissed off, i was 1 of the most active mods before i left because of all the bullshit, NoPeace the same, the guy truely was the most active mod or smod around, his flaws aside, the fact that he kept fighting to improve this place, including with some great ideas, all of it was unused because things run like crap. I can't speak for other (ex-)mods, i do know that there are people here that either are quite inactive or requested to be demodded because they couldn't be bothered anymore. This has a direct influence on the users. Since i resigned and NoPeace couldn't be bothered to spend so much time moderating anymore, the spam in the Evolution section has increased a lot, reports take ages to get handled, if they even get handled etc etc. And that's just the outerworld and only 2 people.
I can't tell what idea is best, NoPeace made a bunch of ideas, and he had some quality stuff in there, but some stuff in it aswell that i didn't like, still i can live with that stuff if only something happened. Nothing ever happens in the staff, except for people resigning. People can't be bothered anymore, i mean why bother trying to improve a site when no one in the position to do it, actually does anything, and most of us don't feel like spending their time cleaning a place up, that doesn't even try to improve things.
Another thing that is also a issue is that most mods don't get a chance, there are some really great mods who never got the chance to do more, whereas most of the Smod team is extremely inactive, other mods who do have the time to do things, are ignored and don't even have a shot at becoming a Smod (or the rank in between that was supposed to be something really good but was never really put in place, hence 1 of the best ideas NoPeace came up with was completely ignored)
And that's quite frustrating, to want to make a place better while the people who can do something won't do it, anything at all for that matter.
When Rishwin was made a Smod, even a temp at that, i know this was a huge slap in the face for many mods who are far more qualified for the job (this is ment as no offense to you Rishwin)
Thanks for that. And you are 1 of the people i talk about when i say that people haven't given the oppertunities, with your nearing 5 years around this place, lots of moderating expierence and all that, you should have had more oppertunities to do something in this place. I find it hard to say whether you deserve Smod or not (you definitely do deserve Legend btw imo), i do know that if NoPeace's idea was used, that you should have received the position in between so that we could all see if you should be a Smod. It's really quite sad that when you been doing so much for a place that you still get nothing in return, not even a Smod team that works together properly so that atleast everything is going smooth.Just so you know Gohan I've supported your arguments for a long time now.
Moderating the board ain't that much of a problem, nor is the amount of people, if the Smods would work well together, if MentaL and Exy would put in some better stuff and remove inactive Smods, then it would all be a lot better, because you would have a Smod team that can make quick decisions on which MentaL and Exy can act, you would have a new usergroup that would be a upgrade from regular mods so that they can do more and be checked if they can be good Smods and they should just spread other expierenced mods around so that everything is covered properly.MentaL dosent moderate. Not that much anyway i think. Barely ever see him post. Lee moderates but how much can we expect the man to do? Hes head of the staff which i recently learned aint as good as it sounds. So clearly we need more people not just the two. But thats where the questions and problems start to come in...
Right now more then half the people that can moderate the whole forum, hardly do anything, less then most mods anyway, and more then half the mods could do a lot more if they were given more sections, something that most mods do want.
Like i've said, i'm expierencing long ass waiting times before things are handled and sometimes it won't even get noticed. This is all a result of a poor staff, poor staff is mods resigning, bad spreading around of mods, quality mods not being given enough moderating power etc etc.ok...ask yourself this, as a user, have you experienced any serious problems? (other than lag) and if so, would you point the finger at any staff member in particular? It seems to me that some staff members just dislike eachother and they're using us as weapons to win an argument. I don't want to be included.
The thing is that you don't have the expierence that i and others have, you don't know the things that others do know, this means nothing bad about you btw, but you simply don't know how these things are done, and how they could be done.
Obviously nothing will ever be perfect, but right now you could make me a admin for 30 minutes, and i would make so many improvements without pissing off people that you would be truely amazed.
I completely disagree, i was moderating half a year ago, i knew how things were going, and nothing has changed, not in the big picture anyway, the only reason why things haven't gotten worse is because it can't really get worse. Yes everyone could stop moderating etc etc, but there will always be people moderating, but the quality of this all could improve big time, really big time.Agreed. Even tho people are different now 90% of the forum would agree that the forum is 10 times better than it was 6 months ago. But all human beings like to live in what happened in the last 20 minutes so yea, the forum is a mess :S
Dios by all means i mean absolutely no disrespect for the work you are doing, i know you are doing a amazing job, trust me i couldn't even think of something negative to say about you, but while you do a excellent job in the MU section, the Evolution section has gotten worse, this is why i'm saying that the big picture hasn't changed, some sections got better, others got worse. All section should get better, and it's honestly not that hard to achieve that.Problem is watching the forum as a an entire structure. Most mods and smods never enter X sections. For example there hasn't being any moderating by smods in Mu section for months now. How can you say forum is going downhill when the biggest section in the history of the forum is perfectly organized and went from 30k threads to 5k? I think that those that say the forum is worse now can go fuck themselves (yes, I said fuck outside Staff section). I worked my ass (and so had most mods I know and respect) to keep my section clean.
I've requested that already, MentaL won't do it unless the Mods (i'm assuming the Smods in specific) agree on that, since FF and Aka (the first which he promised to remove, and the second he would check out) are still in position, there is no way i will get in, and frankly i don't even want to get in while they are still staff.Now...Gohan, I respected you as a fellow "peer". I respect you as a friend, I think your a great guy and its been fantastic seeing you at the past previous parties. But you don't get results with all of this negativity. I know for a fact that you've got alot too offer, I know that you can help. So do it. Drop the personal feelings you have and come back to the staff. That I'm asking you as a friend.
I completely agree, but whether people are positive or negative, nothing has changed since atleast when i was made a mod (that's about 8 months ago), we still got a lot of inactive Supers, we got NoPeace's ideas for 6 months now that hasn't been put in place, which would create shitloads of positive influence among the staff, trust me on that, i know that mods will work harder, will really like doing it again, and old mods will return, that's something i promise you.Having said that you get results with a positive attitude, how on earth can we ever hope too progress, too move forward, to "evolve" and make our community a better place if all any of you are going to do is blame and point fingers at this guy, or that guy because you think he/she is doing a bad job or doesn't deserve his position...
The thing is in the end, that we can be positive about things, but what does that tell those people who can do something? That there is no need to do anything, there aren't doing anything as it is, so what would happen if they thought we were happy with how it is going.
You get me a audience with people who will take this all very serious and do something on short notice, and i will be positive, i was positive when NoPeace published his plans, i was positive when i spoke with MentaL and Exy at the RaGESTAG, but none of it happened, and my positive feelings are gone.
The fact is that i'm getting tired of this place, i've met amazing people here, i've shared 2 of my best weeks of my life with you guys, yet i can't stand seeing this place like this. I once was such a huge part of this place, i could litteraly do anything i wanted here, i had all the power to make changes, and while i do accept that that's no longer the way it is, no one else is making any changes, no one is making improvements, no one is showing me that positive things can happen, and to stand by and watch this place die like this (i honestly don't care if we got 100.000, 1.000.000 or only 100 people on this site) the community i treasure is getting worse, and a big part of the community or those in red and green, and they aren't enjoying things as much as they could.
The expierence on this forum could be greatly improved with some simple things (after which the complicated stuff could be much easily be done aswell), yet they don't happen. It's a real shame.
Some of these things can be changed right now, they could be changed a month ago, 3 months ago, even 6 months ago, not only is it a missed oppertunity, it's also a message to all the mods, that people don't care, because people that care enough would change things, especially when some of these things are so damn easy to do.But that comes with time and patience.
I pretty much begged MentaL to create the new usergroup, and give those mods that deserve the new rank some feeling of accomplishment, mutual respect and simply the chance of doing things better, instead they feel left alone like they are just being used. You know the saddest thing of this is? Is that no one was against the idea of the new usergroup, yes Dios is in it, but he's the only 1 as far as i know, and i very much doubt that it serves ideals of the plan.
And really, what does it tell mods when you got a great idea that everyone likes and yet doesn't get used? It takes 10 minutes to set it all up. What does that tell you?
Well this was 1 of NoPeace's ideas, i personally disagree with it though, although i do believe that his plan on resigned (s)mods should be put in place (you get removed after a certain time of inactivity without proper reason). Bad mods do get handled already, so that's not the problem.Maybe pull down the forum for a day or two so the more experienced and reliable staff members can draw up a new staff list.
Though again, giving the mods the means to do as much as they can for this forum is very important, they will enjoy doing more (sounds weird, but it's true), and the forum will see all the advantages of a cleaner place.
I have more expierence with these things that 99,9% of the members on this site, and with my knowledge i can honestly say that things are messed up, i wouldn't say that this site is gonna blow up, but i for one believe in doing things the best we can, this site isn't even close to doing it's best, when simple things that would have such a major positive influence on this forum, doesn't get done, then it send me a huge message, and it's not a good one.I have to admit, I did think myself that things were being blown out of water a bit.
While writing this i found out once again how much i care about this place, and i'm going to do 1 final attempt to change things, if it doesn't work out then you won't see me around for quite a long time, only exception being the RaGEPARTY section.
Saddest thing though, is that i'm expecting that i won't get the chance to do something about this, but we will see.
I know that it doesn't take a half wit to clean up a forum with problems such as this, if I were mental I would just do what I thought would sort these preoblems, and I wouldn't take any staffs opinion into consideration, I would have them using basic mod privileages, thats it.The thing is that you don't have the expierence that i and others have, you don't know the things that others do know, this means nothing bad about you btw, but you simply don't know how these things are done, and how they could be done.
Obviously nothing will ever be perfect, but right now you could make me a admin for 30 minutes, and i would make so many improvements without pissing off people that you would be truely amazed.
MentaL isn't the kind of guy that makes decisions like that, he wants everyones input, the biggest problem of that is that he usually also wants everyone to agree, which usually doesn't happen.
Imo he should definitely make some of the hard choices, but the idea of the system is good, it just doesn't work aswell as it should, and with some changes this forum could run really smooth.
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