Students gunned down in America

[sickside]

I'm sorry - feels like I strolled into an NRA forum :o

But seriously though, I know it's your right to bear arms, etc. etc. etc. and a majority of Americans view guns to be used for self-defence. If that's the case, are such guns available in your local gun shop like assault rifles, automated guns and overly powerful pistols like Magnums really neccessary for 'self-defence' ?


Edit - Thought it was ridiculous when some NRA guy on the Fox channel suggested if students were allowed to carry guns on campus that this sort of thing wouldn't have happened. While that may be true as the killer would have been gunned down sooner, I cannot imagine the damages done via bullying with gun threats and other instable kids potentially stealing a gun off a fellow student... I'd say let the security have the guns at most.

the reason we are defending our country like we are is because the across seas countrys really dont have any idea what its like over here you guys think that you can just walk into a store hand a guy 300 dollars and get a gun its not that easy we are not allowed to own fully automatic weapons here in america we are allowed to own assault rifles just cause we have a lazy president who didnt want to sign a piece of paper and were only allowed to own 3 pistols and to get any kind of gun you have to go through extensive back ground checks and if they guy looks like someone who is not mentally stable the person selling the gun has the right to refuse the sail i my self work at walmart and didnt sell a guy a gun just cause he wore a long black trench coat and looked like someone who would shoot a place up so its not as easy as you think

im teheary now :(

Stupid asain..

We dont care is you GF dumped you..

Killing yourself would be fine but taking 32 other students with you is even worse...

STUPID ATTENTION SEEKER!@#@$#

ok 1. he was korean and lived in Washington dc since he was 5 years old

2. his gf didnt dump him he didnt have a gf he was a loner the first day of class every one had to introduce themselves when it go to him all he did was hold up a piece of paper with a question mark on it he never talked to any one no one really even knew his name till a few days ago

and he left a note saying how he hated all the snobby rich kids so it had nothing to do with a gf breaking up with him and it had nothing to do with seeking attention

and for the record it was 33 people killed he was a student so he is included and a few teachers/professors were killed one of the teachers (who was a holocaust survivor) stood in the doorway giving his students time to flee while he got shot and the day the shooting was just so happened to be the holocaust memorial day or w/e

[sutsurikeru]

the reason we are defending our country like we are is because the across seas countrys really dont have any idea what its like over here you guys think that you can just walk into a store hand a guy 300 dollars and get a gun its not that easy we are not allowed to own fully automatic weapons here in america we are allowed to own assault rifles just cause we have a lazy president who didnt want to sign a piece of paper and were only allowed to own 3 pistols and to get any kind of gun you have to go through extensive back ground checks and if they guy looks like someone who is not mentally stable the person selling the gun has the right to refuse the sail i my self work at walmart and didnt sell a guy a gun just cause he wore a long black trench coat and looked like someone who would shoot a place up so its not as easy as you think






ok 1. he was korean and lived in Washington dc since he was 5 years old

2. his gf didnt dump him he didnt have a gf he was a loner the first day of class every one had to introduce themselves when it go to him all he did was hold up a piece of paper with a question mark on it he never talked to any one no one really even knew his name till a few days ago

and he left a note saying how he hated all the snobby rich kids so it had nothing to do with a gf breaking up with him and it had nothing to do with seeking attention

and for the record it was 33 people killed he was a student so he is included and a few teachers/professors were killed one of the teachers (who was a holocaust survivor) stood in the doorway giving his students time to flee while he got shot and the day the shooting was just so happened to be the holocaust memorial day or w/e

Also sent a video to NBC

[powamonger]

brave of the teacher to do that, shame guns are legal in u.s.a. even though its illegal over here, guns do exsist. but the street vibe round here is our fists are our guns, if you use weapons it shows your weak.

things like this are always bound to happen, life is a sturdy uphill climb and alot of people dont have the will to climb it.

[Daedius]

Would appear the NRA's thinking is like that of a Mexican stand-off, i.e. - If everyone has guns no one would dare shoot or risk being shot at [kinda similar in a way to the Cold War where the countries had nukes but were never used, just showing it's there that if you use it we'll use it so to speak]. While that might make for a 'safer' society, I certainly wouldn't enjoy living in a gun infested society.

[Iron Maiden]

if you use weapons it shows your weak.

Says who?

And then only the strong should survive?

[Neverending]

Might be a bit off topic but I got a question to the people here from the usa. What does the public say about that case? Where do they search the reason for the massacre? Video games? TV? Music?

[Becky]

Might be a bit off topic but I got a question to the people here from the usa. What does the public say about that case? Where do they search the reason for the massacre? Video games? TV? Music?

EVERYONE has their own opinion on it. Some of course say it's the Media; news, television, movies, games. Then there are some that think he was disturbed, angry, resentful... and there are those that think he was just a complete *insert swear words*

Some feel bad for him (wish someone had reached out more, been able to help him out), yet I'd say many more are (at least for the moment) angry and outraged at him.

The U.S. is just like any other country on ideals and opinions. Diverse. Maybe even more so than other countries as we have so many types of people and cultures. There is no cut and dry reaction or flat out belief in why this happened... truly the only person that will know is Cho Seung-Hui.

What people fail to realize is just how big the U.S. is; more so how diverse it is in race, culture, political views, etc... City by city, state by state.. You'll find radical differences in opinion (believe it or not).

Some are asking for tighter gun control (or no guns at all); though this has ALWAYS been an issue. ALWAYS. Not sure what I could compare it to with those outside of the U.S... It's always been a principal staple right in this country since the beginning... But don't think everyone agrees with it.. And though it is written in the Constitution of the U.S... States can make tighter rules and laws accordingly. Federal versus State issues, of course, get in the way. A hard subject with so so many opinions and beliefs..

[TheJAZZman]

Becky, well stated.

[Daedius]

Well in the VT incident it's been said your fella's been watching some violent movie repetitively, so I believe media did contribute to it. But this would only fall true to the mentally unstable and not in general.

It's up to the parents to not let their kids watch/play violent movies/games at a young age where they are still mentally maturing. All too often I see young kids playing violent video games or movies. It is NOT the media at fault, it is the lack of restriction on them by their parents or guardians.

Jack Thompson should get a damn clue.

[NoOxygen]

Citizens for Legitimate Government

[Ex-ThunderBird]

Sad.
One of the adults that teached was an israelian,
He was baried now in Israel, Ranana.

RIP.

[Pavy]

Why would I or any other american take it personal that you hate America? Maybe if you dont want this to sound like a "flame", you should explain that better, or leave it out.... You've just judged billions of people, and condemned them to your hatred - based on the fact you believe americans "are all so positive about owning a gun."

I HOPE what you meant by this is.... the NEWS MEDIA from AMERICA has turned this into an NRA debate. And, it's stupid for people to mourn the death of randomly killed innocent people while they are supporting semi-automatic gun sales....

I won't debate that topic here, but I will say that these kids are dead....without the rapid fire weapon, some of them would have had a much better chance of living. I'm glad you don't have these kinds of problems in your country, I guess there is a perfect government after all....whoda known.

I'm too hot to write this right now....and will probably edit it gone later....but man, people die, and someone still finds a place to say how they hate my country[IMG]file:///C:/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

Yes, I should have explained better. The reason I hate America is simple (my other version I typed early today, would gotten me banned instantly, so I 're-made' it), some fucked up people are running it. Bush and co, you know what I mean.

You should be able to protect yourself, I agree, but on the way its being done, makes me actually quite sick. I've seen a lot of these discussions going on, on different boards and they're all mostly the same (you know, to protect yourself, or to shoot some bulls).

Any fool that has a mental problem, could easily get the gun out of his daddies box, and use it on all kind of ways. Be it to shoot some bulls, to scare people... or to just go to a college and fuck everyone up. Right?

Granted, I watch to much media, and had to hear all about this by watching CNN, still. It's no excuse that this shit is happening. The fact that you can still get guns rather easily in a country like America, is quite sad. It still amazes me that in a culture like America's where most schools got metal detectors these cases still aren't picked up quicker either.

I have no idea what your Government is going to do about all this, but I do hope SOMETHING is going to happen. Something to minimize the problem with having guns, as in making it more difficult to obtain um. As we seen lately, they're failing miserable.

My country is full with problems also (ignore my location over there in my profile). I'm actually from the Netherlands, and in no way do we use guns to protect ourself, nor do we really need to cause those that own a gun, are either cops (those that 'protect' you), or criminals (that do harm). I'm not comparing America to us here (it's not possible anyway..), but your government could learn something from us. What, that's for them to decide.

I just disagree with pretty much 99% of what they are doing, or are going to do (same story as in Iraq, when 200 Iraki's would get killed tomorrow, no one would care "another casualty of war" right? but when it happens on OWN soil its all hands to battlestations).


Absolutely NO disrespect to those that lost there lives in Virginia this week, but that's just my opinion about all that (was actually longer, but you'd fall asleep..)

..but man, people die, and someone still finds a place to say how they hate my country

Of course, there are some people that judge things differently, and have a different view on these kinds of subjects. Guess that's why your american, and I'm dutch.

(ps. I took time to word this correctly, and by no means do I want to insult anyone, nor is it my intention).

[sickside]

Well in the VT incident it's been said your fella's been watching some violent movie repetitively, so I believe media did contribute to it. But this would only fall true to the mentally unstable and not in general.

It's up to the parents to not let their kids watch/play violent movies/games at a young age where they are still mentally maturing. All too often I see young kids playing violent video games or movies. It is NOT the media at fault, it is the lack of restriction on them by their parents or guardians.

Jack Thompson should get a damn clue.

who said it was the media that drove him this way and i hate to quote my self but

and he left a note saying how he hated all the snobby rich kids

and in his creative writing class he wrote some really morbid papers and wrote some off the wall plays one was of how a teacher molested one of his students and then the student killed the teacher and as the media put it he killed him with weapons that no one would of thought of

and hell maybe nothing drove him to do all this some people are born psychopaths

[DaCheat]

Well in the VT incident it's been said your fella's been watching some violent movie repetitively, so I believe media did contribute to it. But this would only fall true to the mentally unstable and not in general.

It's also been proven that he was mentally unstable sense he was a small child. So I don't believe media had any effect.

This kid saw the world completely different then anybody else.

[Psypher]

Oh, an intelligent discussion for once!

[ca_ale_16]

TITLE: "Students gunned down in America"
THISSS!!! is america.... and THISSS!! is usa..... dont get confused... that is a egoist word...

[TheJAZZman]

Yes, I should have explained better. The reason I hate America is simple (my other version I typed early today, would gotten me banned instantly, so I 're-made' it), some fucked up people are running it. Bush and co, you know what I mean.

You should be able to protect yourself, I agree, but on the way its being done, makes me actually quite sick. I've seen a lot of these discussions going on, on different boards and they're all mostly the same (you know, to protect yourself, or to shoot some bulls).

Any fool that has a mental problem, could easily get the gun out of his daddies box, and use it on all kind of ways. Be it to shoot some bulls, to scare people... or to just go to a college and fuck everyone up. Right?

Granted, I watch to much media, and had to hear all about this by watching CNN, still. It's no excuse that this shit is happening. The fact that you can still get guns rather easily in a country like America, is quite sad. It still amazes me that in a culture like America's where most schools got metal detectors these cases still aren't picked up quicker either.

I have no idea what your Government is going to do about all this, but I do hope SOMETHING is going to happen. Something to minimize the problem with having guns, as in making it more difficult to obtain um. As we seen lately, they're failing miserable.

My country is full with problems also (ignore my location over there in my profile). I'm actually from the Netherlands, and in no way do we use guns to protect ourself, nor do we really need to cause those that own a gun, are either cops (those that 'protect' you), or criminals (that do harm). I'm not comparing America to us here (it's not possible anyway..), but your government could learn something from us. What, that's for them to decide.

I just disagree with pretty much 99% of what they are doing, or are going to do (same story as in Iraq, when 200 Iraki's would get killed tomorrow, no one would care "another casualty of war" right? but when it happens on OWN soil its all hands to battlestations).


Absolutely NO disrespect to those that lost there lives in Virginia this week, but that's just my opinion about all that (was actually longer, but you'd fall asleep..)



Of course, there are some people that judge things differently, and have a different view on these kinds of subjects. Guess that's why your american, and I'm dutch.

(ps. I took time to word this correctly, and by no means do I want to insult anyone, nor is it my intention).

Thanks for that...I take it real personal when ppl keep saying they hate USA without explaination or backup - from our perspective, we haven't done anything wrong, why hate us? Then I see....its our governments actions + our fantastic media = misinformed.


I think what burns me most about the general statement about people hating the US, is the fact their opinion is based on our media.

Their coverage of this incident was terrible, and did not represent the majority. I think that all these students were disrespected by the terrible coverage - I'm still sick over this.

You're right, our government has a lot of problems, just like any other gov. Unfortunately, what our media decides to cover, and how they show it - is the only way other countries have had to judge us. Honestly, people here are no different than anywhere else.

It makes me just as sick to see people die in Iraq, or anywhere - as it did with this instance. The media makes it sound like we only care if it was an "American", and that it's important that this kid that shot everyone was "Asian" - truth is, its tragic no matter the nationality - and MOST of US people agree with me on this - you have small groups of predjudice everywhere you go, and other small groups of people (like in any country) that ARE only concerned with what happens to them - in their own little world. I will say that MOST of us are NOT that way.

Gun control is a hot topic in USA too, you may not know it, they have waiting lists to get guns, can't just go in and get them. Not every house has one - 39-50%http://www.availabledark.com/~ratty/armedamerica/introduction.html of our citizens do - but they don't all agree either. USA is only 200 years old, we have a lot to learn - but the government, as messed up as it is, is always changing.

What will our government do about this incident? Probably very little - it's difficult to use one incident, even as monumental as this is, to make a new law that will take something away that people have had for so long. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, I just don't think they will.