Suggestion: Hide post counts

Post counts also help moderators know who is experienced and grounded in the rules of the forum, which can help us decide on who should or should not receive infractions.

I doubt getting rid of post counts would make much of a difference one way or another. Most people know the "regulars" and then of course theres the special colored groups that would still stick out, many of them being regulars in some regard anyway.

There are clearly some spammers on here that care about their post counts but honestly most stop at 1k posts anyway. Those in the top 100 or so are predominantly the main members of this forum for the past 2-3 years. So the post count, in that sense, DOES show "dedicated members of ragezone", at least in the grand scheme of things since this particular forum was opened, and I think that should be rewarded in some way (although cool colored names do that to a point I suppose).

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Originally Posted by Kaoii

Post counts also help moderators know who is experienced and grounded in the rules of the forum, which can help us decide on who should or should not receive infractions.

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Spamming raises your post count. Are you saying that because people spam, that helps keep them from getting infractions? I honestly see no way at all how a person's post count can help keep them from getting infracted. If they break the rules, infract them.

You see, thats yet another way people judge someone by their post count. If they have 8,000 posts, you think they know all the rules, or wont infract them because they are "popular" due to their post count.

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Originally Posted by Becky

I doubt getting rid of post counts would make much of a difference one way or another. Most people know the "regulars" and then of course theres the special colored groups that would still stick out, many of them being regulars in some regard anyway.

There are clearly some spammers on here that care about their post counts but honestly most stop at 1k posts anyway. Those in the top 100 or so are predominantly the main members of this forum for the past 2-3 years. So the post count, in that sense, DOES show "dedicated members of ragezone", at least in the grand scheme of things since this particular forum was opened, and I think that should be rewarded in some way (although cool colored names do that to a point I suppose).

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Completely agree, but I still think people shouldn't be "popular" or "unpopular" because of their post counts.

Post counts didn't influence my modding, though I will say those with low post counts typically made the most ridiculous threads/posts in the server help sections (etc.) (particularly Mu).

Those with higher post counts were typically established members in either one section or many sections and in most cases I could instantly tell that by the quality of their post as well as their post count :P

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Originally Posted by Ron

Spamming raises your post count. Are you saying that because people spam, that helps keep them from getting infractions?

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I'm saying the exact opposite of what you're twisting around to support your argument. If you can't comprehend what I said then don't reply to it and certainly don't jump to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Ron

Completely agree, but I still think people shouldn't be "popular" or "unpopular" because of their post counts.

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Wellll the thing about that is, the way someone 9.99999 times outta 10 gets popular is by getting attention. On a forum, whats the best way of doing that? Posting! :P Yes, some have achieved fame by doing something like writing code for a game, or sleeping with Mental :wink_5:....

But the best way to be popular is to post, and what do you know, those that are popular on here post! The two almost always work hand in hand.

It's like, if a guy you never met tried to give you advice, you'd be like... Umm, shut up please sir. If it was your best friend for years, you'd give him a good listen! :P

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Originally Posted by Kaoii

I'm saying the exact opposite of what you're twisting around to support your argument. If you can't comprehend what I said then don't reply to it and certainly don't jump to conclusions.

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Not jumping to conclusions; I know exactly what you're saying. I've been here for a year and a half and I've never really read over all the rules. All I do is show some online maturity and im fine. What im saying is, just because your post count is "high" doesn't mean you've read the rules. Look at this page for example.. That is mindless spam, which in the rules says not to do, but people found it funny because it was posted by someone popular/that has a high post count.

What I said is that people with higher post counts are treated more harshly when they break the rules (because they are expected to have known them to have lasted that long with such a high post count) than people with lesser post counts.

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Originally Posted by Ron

Can you tell exactly why you like to see other peoples' post count? Yeah of course it shows how active they are, but just because they have a lot of posts doesn't mean they post good. I can name two people off the top of my head that used to spam the forums like hell. It was only after they started posting interesting posts that they earned my respect. Not going to name them though; you should know who they are.

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I just like seeing it, the feature itself. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a nice addition to the forum imo. I dont judge people based on post count. You should also consider that some people dont check the postcount, but remembers if you have been an active member uptil now. A postcount could say how active you've been, but it could also be the number of times that person has seen the other person post that could make the difference. I hope you understand what Im getting at.

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Originally Posted by Kaoii

What I said is that people with higher post counts are treated more harshly when they break the rules (because they are expected to have known them to have lasted that long with such a high post count) than people with lesser post counts.

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Originally Posted by Boko

I just like seeing it, the feature itself. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a nice addition to the forum imo. I dont judge people based on post count. You should also consider that some people dont check the postcount, but remembers if you have been an active member uptil now. A postcount could say how active you've been, but it could also be the number of times that person has seen the other person post that could make the difference. I hope you understand what Im getting at.

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Alright, I get both of your points. Lets keep the post counts visable. :P

Since when did members start judging others based on their post count?

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Originally Posted by RsX

Since when did members start judging others based on their post count?

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There used to be a lot of criticism based on post counts in the Mu section when I was still active there; don't know about that now.

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Originally Posted by Ron

Well someone can have 10 "top-quality" posts and still get discriminated against because their post count is 10. I know I did, and thats the reason I posted this thread. Getting discriminated against because of my post count made me want to leave rz and/or flame whoever did it. They always said the same things; "stfu n00b you don't know anything". After my post count was higher though, people started actually reading my post and not my post count. The discrimination stopped around 200 or so posts.

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spoken like a true "noob".
the reason you were treated like that was because you really were a noob. your posts were stupid, and you were just like the mu noobs we flame today. its true. and you know what? same thing with me. along with over 1/2 of RZ.

i look back on my first posts and think "wtf man? go die noob!". you weren't discriminated against because of your post count, it really was the quality of your posts which were lacking.

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Originally Posted by Ron

There used to be a lot of criticism based on post counts in the Mu section when I was still active there; don't know about that now.

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Well we all know how much Mu Online matters in Outerworld.

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

spoken like a true "noob".
the reason you were treated like that was because you really were a noob. your posts were stupid, and you were just like the mu noobs we flame today. its true. and you know what? same thing with me. along with over 1/2 of RZ.

i look back on my first posts and think "wtf man? go die noob!". you weren't discriminated against because of your post count, it really was the quality of your posts which were lacking.

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Wow, you're right lol. Damn my old posts make me look like a moron.

I want to show my post count! Man I've worked hard getting this post count and I want to keep it, know how hard it is to spam? Hehe...

But for real, doesnt matter. If they can switch posts to join date I'd be happy.

Why hide it? im glad to say i got 190+ post, i vote no.

Posts mean nothing to be honest. Just shows how many times someone posted and that's it. Only real thing I've seen out of it is that it brings spammers to spam to get it up. I know that because for my first 5000 posts that was the case for me (well first 8000 as 3000 of them was deleted from a forum reset) ;)

Sure it might help a mod determin if the user knows should know the rules or not. But that's a weak excuse. In all honesty. SHouldn't every member follow the rules? And not just people with high post counts or low. They all should be governed equally and not based on their post counts. And futher more it's the job of the mod to know who posts in their section and what they post. IF they can't do that without knowing their posts then they are not a good mod.

Also with what Beckeh said. Sure it shows who has been around here and stuck. But look at the fact anyways that most of thoes people are in speical user groups. Now isn't that enough to tell us that they are some how part of the community? Futehrmore it would be a better estimate if they just brought back the join date. SO you can know how long they have been here for and not just an estimate from post counts. Look at people like Sol and Neo. They have been here a hell of a lot longer then me but they have less then half the posts that I have. So that appears that I've been here 2x as long as them. Kind of a wrong judgement.

Also Kaoii I think it's the opposite on how higher posters are treated. Either they or a mod, used to be a mod or friend of a mod. And there for they are treated more lightly. Now if you are unknown and know no one and do something wrong. A mod wont let that slide and nail them for every wrong mistake. Don't aruge with me on that. I've known you to do it many times. I've known Ex to do it many times. I've known my self to do it many times. I've know that most of the bloody mods has done it. Simply because they know it doesn't it matter what happens to them as it doesn't effect the community so they do it to have the fun of being and evil dictator. That's how mods are. I've seen many of the Oranges spamming and flamming but never get in trouble where as normal users are banned on spot. So what you say is really the opposite of what happens. ;)

And RsX don't you remember when you was a Mu noob you used to suck up to people with more posts then you? I remember you used to suck up to me because I had more posts event though I wasn't a mod. =P So yes people do judge people differently based on posts.

And Rishwin you need to stop flamming randomly. It's getting old. -.-

NoPeace - out

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Originally Posted by NoPeace

Posts mean nothing to be honest. Just shows how many times someone posted and that's it. Only real thing I've seen out of it is that it brings spammers to spam to get it up. I know that because for my first 5000 posts that was the case for me (well first 8000 as 3000 of them was deleted from a forum reset) ;)

Sure it might help a mod determin if the user knows should know the rules or not. But that's a weak excuse. In all honesty. SHouldn't every member follow the rules? And not just people with high post counts or low. They all should be governed equally and not based on their post counts. And futher more it's the job of the mod to know who posts in their section and what they post. IF they can't do that without knowing their posts then they are not a good mod.

Also with what Beckeh said. Sure it shows who has been around here and stuck. But look at the fact anyways that most of thoes people are in speical user groups. Now isn't that enough to tell us that they are some how part of the community? Futehrmore it would be a better estimate if they just brought back the join date. SO you can know how long they have been here for and not just an estimate from post counts. Look at people like Sol and Neo. They have been here a hell of a lot longer then me but they have less then half the posts that I have. So that appears that I've been here 2x as long as them. Kind of a wrong judgement.

Also Kaoii I think it's the opposite on how higher posters are treated. Either they or a mod, used to be a mod or friend of a mod. And there for they are treated more lightly. Now if you are unknown and know no one and do something wrong. A mod wont let that slide and nail them for every wrong mistake. Don't aruge with me on that. I've known you to do it many times. I've known Ex to do it many times. I've known my self to do it many times. I've know that most of the bloody mods has done it. Simply because they know it doesn't it matter what happens to them as it doesn't effect the community so they do it to have the fun of being and evil dictator. That's how mods are. I've seen many of the Oranges spamming and flamming but never get in trouble where as normal users are banned on spot. So what you say is really the opposite of what happens. ;)

And RsX don't you remember when you was a Mu noob you used to suck up to people with more posts then you? I remember you used to suck up to me because I had more posts event though I wasn't a mod. =P So yes people do judge people differently based on posts.

And Rishwin you need to stop flamming randomly. It's getting old. -.-

NoPeace - out

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Lol, nice. Everything that could possibly ever needed to be said about this, you just said it. This says it all people and I agree fully.

Still, let's take a look at the entire basis of this argument - discrimination. Those who voted yes believe that people with higher post counts discriminate against people with lower post counts. If you do not like this or do not like seeing post counts by a users' name, you should not be on internet forums in the first place. I'll stop at that.

Nothing said will change my opinion that post counts should remain.

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Originally Posted by Kaoii

Still, let's take a look at the entire basis of this argument - discrimination. Those who voted yes believe that people with higher post counts discriminate against people with lower post counts. If you do not like this or do not like seeing post counts by a users' name, you should not be on internet forums in the first place. I'll stop at that.

Nothing said will change my opinion that post counts should remain.

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You're completely right; the argument was based on discrimination, but nevertheless NoPeace made a really good point.

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Originally Posted by Becky

Wellll the thing about that is, the way someone 9.99999 times outta 10 gets popular is by getting attention. On a forum, whats the best way of doing that? Posting! :P Yes, some have achieved fame by doing something like writing code for a game, or sleeping with Mental :wink_5:....

But the best way to be popular is to post, and what do you know, those that are popular on here post! The two almost always work hand in hand.

It's like, if a guy you never met tried to give you advice, you'd be like... Umm, shut up please sir. If it was your best friend for years, you'd give him a good listen! :P

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purr :whip:

err I didnt got "famous" for sleeping with Mental ;) coff Sipher Coff did ;) :P

if it was a girl giving me i would hear her ;) now if it was a guy it would be diferent

now on topic , Post doesnt mean shit , but on another hand i do believe that Mods , Smods should have 0 post counter ( If they're on that group the post counter would be disabled , when they were removed from that group , post counter would be back )

Ofc if i was like Nopeace i would had like 10k posts ( At least 25% of his posts were deleted due to me pissing his head )

But There are a LOT of Members ( specially from 2004- early 2005 ) and well a few 2003 that rarely post but they have a lot of knowledge , main problem is that kids from 2006 ( and later 2005 ) like to go by Post counter instead of reading what the Poster wrote or ignore his help

Thinking a bit more into this, I rather MORE features be added to the forum than asking for pretty common ones to be taken away :wink_5:

Then again, without a website, what could really be added to a forum?

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Originally Posted by NoPeace

Posts mean nothing to be honest. Just shows how many times someone posted and that's it. Only real thing I've seen out of it is that it brings spammers to spam to get it up.

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That belief makes sense, but if you look at the top 100, if not top 200 posters, the grand majority of them ARE the mods, ex-mods, legends, vips, etc... from 2003, 2004... Sure, some are newer types, but remember, no one liked to be called a newbie in 2004, or 2005; those same guys should remember that today before they chastise the new guy.

I do agree that posts do not make a person, and take it away for all I care (said that before haven't I :PP), but like I said, top 1-200 posters are filled with what we have called legends, mods, well known people.. etc..

I don't think it's going to make much difference, all it's going to do is make people go to their profile, nothing more.

What next to take away, everyone's colours because that too discrimates everyone and oh the avatar in some way makes people discrimates. Even name discrimates because people only talk to the people they know. You know what might as well hide everything and make people click more links to get the information.

Really now, grow up and leave everything alone -.-

I agree with you, Should hide the post counts to stop critism.