The Brazillian Man shot on the Tube wasn't running

[Ionic & Schizo]

Apparently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4157892.stm

Leak disputes Menezes death story

Leaked documents appear to contradict the official account of how police mistook a Brazilian man for a suicide bomber and shot him.
The papers, from the probe into Jean Charles de Menezes' death, and leaked to ITV, suggest he was restrained before being shot eight times.

Mr de Menezes, 27, was killed at Stockwell Tube station on 22 July.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has said it will not comment on its investigation.

The documents, including witness statements, also suggest Mr de Menezes did not hurdle the barrier at Stockwell tube station, as first reports previously suggested, and was not wearing a padded jacket that could have concealed a bomb.

'Acting suspiciously'

The shooting occurred the day after the failed bomb attacks of 21 July.

The latest documents suggest Mr de Menezes had walked into Stockwell Tube station, picked up a free newspaper, walked through ticket barriers, had started to run when he saw a train arriving and was sitting down in a train when he was shot.

In the immediate aftermath of the incident, police said Mr de Menezes had been acting suspiciously and suggested he had vaulted the ticket barriers.

Police also said the Brazilian electrician had worn a large winter-style coat - but the leaked version suggested he had in fact worn a denim jacket.

The leaked version said Mr de Menezes was being restrained by a community officer when he was shot by armed police.

Shot "terrorist" was not fleeing
By Suzy Austin

Disturbing new details about the police shooting of an innocent man on the Underground were revealed in a leaked document last night.

Originally, police claimed Jean Charles de Menezes was chased on to a Tube train, running down an escalator and vaulting a ticket barrier.

But a report leaked to ITV News, suggets there was no such chase and the Brazilian electrician was sitting on a Tube when he was shot. The report says he walked calmly through the ticket gates, even stopping to pick up an Metro, before descending slowly by escalator.

The document also confirms that, contrary to ealier police claims, Mr de Menezes was not wearing a "conspicuous" padded jacket - he had a denim jacket - or carrying a bag.

In addition, it reveals 11 shots were fired at the 27-year-old, several more than reported before. Seven hit in the head, one in the shoulder and three apparently missed.

According to one surveillance office, Mr de Menezes was sitting in a carriage when marksmen rushed in. The witness said: 'I heard shouting, which included the word "police", and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.

'He immediately stood up and advancing toward me. I grabbed the male ... by wrapping both arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side. I then pushed him back on to the seat where he previously been sitting.

'I then heard a gunshot very close to my left ear and was dragged away on the floor.'

Last night, a Lawer for the dead man's family said the revelations were 'absolutely shocking'.

Harriet Wistrisch added: 'He did nothing to warreant the reaction of the police.'

[MentaL]

[WYWH]

:o

hmm... where is that conspiracy thread..o_O

[Dandune]

Media, What's the thing they do best? Lie, Or try to twist the truth the best that they can to gain a profit. Besides if you were Illegaly in this country and saw men pointing guns at me in the middle of London, What would you do? He's from Brazil, As far as i'm aware it was a "rough" part, You don't just stand there and let people point guns at you, Do that and you're dead anyway, You would run.

It's interesting Ionic, But i think its just people wanting money so they sell their (fake) stories.

[Btk]

i could see this Happening.....

[Kenneth the Tree]

Well, i think the mdeia werr wrong in twisting the story and so was the police officer for not speaking the truth.

On the other hand....(yes i have two)

He acted on impulse! Kill one man and save about 30 lives or stun one man kill about 30 people. He made his descision and it was unfortunately wrong. He still should have owned up though.

R.I.P charles

[rage_man]

Man.. here in brazil this notice shocked all us ... =/ wtf he was a innocent guy... why they killed him?

[Flameingskull]

thats fuked up and wrong. as a brit i am ashamed, as an italian i'm astounded and as a sri lankan i'm shocked. in general i'm pissed off at all of it.

[Ionic & Schizo]

why they killed him?

The officers were informed that the suspect was dangerous.

The original story was that they believed him to be another suicide bomber, so they shot him after he failed to stop to prevent him detonating a bomb on the tube. One life for the hundred on the train.

[darkrayne]

That's so sad! >.< And scary... o.o

[DirtyDeals]

I would of shot him too. He got what he deserved. I really doubt he was innocent no matter what the media says. If he was running that only means he had something to hide. Common Sense tells you if Police Officer(s) point a gun at you, you stop and do what they tell you to do. You dont even need to understand the language to understand that.

I dont know what this has to do with George Bush, but I am sure some idiot blamed him for it, just like they blamed him in Sri Lanka and Indonesia for the Tsunami. We decide to help those terrorist b*tches and all they do is tell us we are wrong and blame Bush for a natural disaster...I find that very funny. They ask for help when they need help and talk behind our backs. I find it even funnier the parents who blame Bush for their sons being killed in Iraq. "It was your son's choice to join the Army, Bush didnt force you to join therefore its not his fault." Try explaining that to a democrat.

[Ionic & Schizo]

I really doubt he was innocent no matter what the media says.

His visa was expired by 2 yrs. That's been reported by the media in the UK.

[Flameingskull]

maybe he was running cos he didn't want to get caught and tried as an illegal immigrant. but still if a cop points a gun at you, you don't run away cos that just causes problems.

[Zonate_wings]

ha the world has many lyes and cover ups. i can put money on it his VISA was not expired. your VISA doesnt expire if you work in london. if you work for 5 years or more you automaticlly become a citizen. so thats bull... - i didnt mean your talking bull i meant the stupid police and tony blair are coverin up there crap.

also :

I would of shot him too. He got what he deserved. I really doubt he was innocent no matter what the media says. If he was running that only means he had something to hide. Common Sense tells you if Police Officer(s) point a gun at you, you stop and do what they tell you to do. You dont even need to understand the language to understand that.
I dont know what this has to do with George Bush, but I am sure some idiot blamed him for it, just like they blamed him in Sri Lanka and Indonesia for the Tsunami. We decide to help those terrorist b*tches and all they do is tell us we are wrong and blame Bush for a natural disaster...I find that very funny. They ask for help when they need help and talk behind our backs. I find it even funnier the parents who blame Bush for their sons being killed in Iraq. "It was your son's choice to join the Army, Bush didnt force you to join therefore its not his fault." Try explaining that to a democrat.

i really cant agree with you. if someone was standing there with a gun pointed to my head i would probably run or break there arm and take the gun to defend myself.

also think of the panic and confusion it would have on people. 3 bombs just went up and then you got a gun pointed to ur head? it isnt exacly a every day thing.

the fact is this death could actually cause a cut between peace treeties and theres a small chance of war...

so what were u saying about 1 life for hunderds? well it could be thosuands to millions now...

[nathan123]

They have CCTV footage showing him walking, and plainly not wearing a padded jacket - I didnt believe the first story, people dont just run away from a gun - if your on the spot you freeze not knowing what to do

[Blaminator]

stop beating the dead horse

[Mattio]

I still beleave he had to of been doing something. . . I know our police are bastards sometimes but shooting without and motive? no way! Maybe he was walking quick. . .

-Mattio

[DirtyDeals]

Police do their job. When they dont do their job blame that cock sucker John Kerry. That man is dead now and you cant do anything about it. I dont think he was innocent. I believe he was shot 5 times, I would of put another 5 just for the heck of it. You dont run from the cops, you'll never get away. Plus it will only get you killed or a longer sentence.

[Mattio]

A man asked my dad why they shot him 5 times? he said "cause they probably ran out" and it is probably true. And it's better than shooting him in both legs 5 times? at least he died fast and humainley.

-Mattio

[Golbez]

Police do their job. When they dont do their job blame that cock sucker John Kerry. That man is dead now and you cant do anything about it. I dont think he was innocent. I believe he was shot 5 times, I would of put another 5 just for the heck of it. You dont run from the cops, you'll never get away. Plus it will only get you killed or a longer sentence.

One question: what does John Kerry have to do with something that happened in England? :eh:

[Btk]

hahaha john kerry is a undercover police dude Oo?

[DirtyDeals]

It's his fault because people blame George Bush for all this. John Kerry's turn now. Blames Bush for 9/11 and not Osama.

Btk get that Russian out of your signature. For one you probably dont know what it means, two, if you do know what it means you have really poor grammar.

[Btk]

its my msn name ... and i can have it as i want..... ( and no its not ment to say anything i just like the way it looks)

[Golbez]

Last I checked, John Kerry wasn't the President of the United States or Prime Minister of Great Britain. If anything, he's old news.