The illuminati conspiracy, whadda ya say?

[EnhanceGFX]

I'm reading such stuff all day long when im not trolling ragezone, or waiting for replies to troll. Anyways through all i've read this is what appears to me:

Masons/Freemason(ry/s) basically is a cult, which has the same intentions as the Illuminati does and some same signs and therefore is connected to it.

- Anti-christ
- New world order
- Based on the church of satan
- Belief for benefits

It is also said that many new artists are freemasons, and they start of high in the media because of the influence freemasons/the illuminati has on the media, a very good example is VYBZ Kartel.

It is also said that Obama is a freemason, thus proving another series of events, and linking him with the previous presidents. Such as bush. Churchill appears to not be a freemason, somehow he keeps failing the elections? The changing from white to black was a nice tactic after bush being disclosed.

What do you know, this is a serious topic btw.

[MentaL]

[Blackbox]

Masons and Illuminati are not anti-religion. They just have ideas based more off science and not what religion tells us. But they are very much religious.

[random idiot]

[EnhanceGFX]

Masons and Illuminati are not anti-religion. They just have ideas based more off science and not what religion tells us. But they are very much religious.

Obviously, thus the refference to the church of satan, but what does their religion insist of?

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One day you will notice how misplaced you are in this world.

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THE "MASONIC" ONE DOLLAR: Fact or Fiction? i recognize the piramid on illuminati.com which supposedly is a games site.

http://afgen.com/great_seal.bmp

[DonTonberry]

Haha they do not worship the church of Satan, that was started by AntonLeFey (sp) hundreds of years after Freemasons came about. I used to work for the Freemasons at once of there temples, they do not have a set religion, but require all members to have a faith in a higher power.

Nice guys, the ones I met.

[random idiot]

One day you will notice how misplaced you are in this world.

No shit , Sherlock.

[EnhanceGFX]

i read somewhere though that it was somehow affiliated with the freemasons.

and freemasons church of satan - Google zoeken some results look very promising.

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oh another thing, the enlighted ones, illuminati, illumination makes me wonder, werent philosophs named the enlighted ones during the start of church vs science?

[Savage]

We had this debate long ago, It's a crock of bullshit and a heap of nonsense. Freemasons exist, illuminati do not.

[EnhanceGFX]

We had this debate long ago, It's a crock of bullshit and a heap of nonsense. Freemasons exist, illuminati do not.

the subject keeps getting more populated however, and more results on it keep popping up daily, the stuff going on is questionable aswell.

6M results on 'Iluminati" thats 60% of the 10M scbizophrenia has.

[iEmo]

lol, Nice one yo.

[Alverström]

Bleh, I'm atheist.

[Savage]

the subject keeps getting more populated however, and more results on it keep popping up daily, the stuff going on is questionable aswell.

6M results on 'Iluminati" thats 60% of the 10M scbizophrenia has.

I guess they're idiots too.

[EnhanceGFX]

I guess they're idiots too.

Artits are moving towards the subject aswell, and those are non-commercial, perhaps you should be more open to this?

YouTube - Dance With The Devil - Immortal Technique

YouTube - Jedi Mind Tricks- Uncommon Valor (A Vietnam Story)

YouTube - Cilvaringz - Death To America

[Blackbox]

perhaps you should be more open to this?

Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more on the subject at hand.

We had this debate long ago, It's a crock of bullshit and a heap of nonsense. Freemasons exist, illuminati do not.

Illuminati did exist. But not any later (known) than the 179x's.

[EnhanceGFX]

Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more on the subject at hand.

Please educate me, sir.

[Deva]

My uncle and oldest cousin are part of the Freemasons; or so I've been told by the rest of my family, as far as I'm aware they're not devil worshippers lol. Just from the few posts I've seen in this topic by the OP, he doesn't seem to look like he's done much research on the topic. But werent both president Bush's reportedly part of the Skull and Bones?

[EnhanceGFX]

I made the topic to do research on it, so as i said before, illuminate me.

Anyway, obviously such conspiracy would stay hid in certain sectors, such as the 33nd degree etc.

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He says: ' mi reach 33 degrees a masonry heights a evil'
From a site I was researching on.......a Satanist wrote:

'I know for a fact that when you get to 33rd degree Freemasonry the final secret is, Satan is God.

The church of Satan helped design freemasonry in the same philosophy as this.

'Le Vey was the head of the church of Satan in the 1960's and he was the one who became a head mason. He designed this in the same format as the church of Satan'
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source: a blog

[troublemaker1111]

This one is kinda hard to debunk just because its such a magnificent web of bullshit inter-weaved with all kinds of other crazy conspiracies. You start by looking at the Freemasons, then you find out about Skull and Bones, then you start reading about the Illuminati and the New World Order, and pretty soon you're entering incredibly bizarre territory like the Knights Templar and even space lizards. You just keep going further down the rabbit hole.

Really the only thing you can do is look back on the last few hundred years of history and realise how chaotic and unstable the planet really is. Conspiracy theories like these seek to find order in the universe by trying to frame everything in the context of this single, overbearing concept. They appeal to people because they claim to explain all these events and arrange them in some kind of order when really there is none; the world is just a messy place. Terrorist attacks, war and oppression happen because human beings are fallible. To say all these things happened as part of some shadowy master plan is to totally ignore this fundamental fact of life.

[Blackbox]

This one is kinda hard to debunk just because its such a magnificent web of bullshit inter-weaved with all kinds of other crazy conspiracies. You start by looking at the Freemasons, then you find out about Skull and Bones, then you start reading about the Illuminati and the New World Order, and pretty soon you're entering incredibly bizarre territory like the Knights Templar and even space lizards. You just keep going further down the rabbit hole.

Skull and bones has already been disproven to have no affiliation with the masons other than a lot of rich families and relatives that are masons.

[EnhanceGFX]

So what about the many books that reffer to the illuminati, like the bernini mystery etc

since i actually found out about the freemasons by searching for illuminati,

[troublemaker1111]

So what about the many books that reffer to the illuminati, like the bernini mystery etc

since i actually found out about the freemasons by searching for illuminati,

Anyone can write a book. What you won't find is any academic, peer reviewed work on the topic, Because in the 150 or so years that history has been a discipline, not one independent historian or researcher has found anything to suggest the Illuminati exist in any capacity beyond the 18th century Bavarian society of the same name that came and went within a lifetime.

In fact you do realise that the book you referenced is a novel, a fictional book? And that's the thing, conspiracy theories are a business. You've fallen into a gap in the market that the internet has allowed people to easily exploit. You're simply part of a niche audience, dude.

There is NO credible evidence that any of these theories are true.

[MoeZe]

i don't find any proof that obama is freemason.

[EnhanceGFX]

Anyone can write a book. What you won't find is any academic, peer reviewed work on the topic, Because in the 150 or so years that history has been a discipline, not one independent historian or researcher has found anything to suggest the Illuminati exist in any capacity beyond the 18th century Bavarian society of the same name that came and went within a lifetime.

In fact you do realise that the book you referenced is a novel, a fictional book? And that's the thing, conspiracy theories are a business. You've fallen into a gap in the market that the internet has allowed people to easily exploit. You're simply part of a niche audience, dude.

There is NO credible evidence that any of these theories are true.

That's why they are theories, but what if they WERE true. And this is like a book, it's fun to read and discover.

[EnhanceGFX]

Just spent a hour reading all this, The Deep Politics of God: The CNP, Dominionism, and the Ted Haggard Scandal [Part 2 of 2] - It actually seems more credible then the dull "truth" we hear now.

[CrashOveride]

Just a bit of info on where I'm getting this: My brother is a mason (2nd, doing his 3rd in 2 weeks), my Grandad was a mason and I know the Substitute Grand Master of the lodge which is one of the lower numbered ones with history back as far as 1739.

The 4th~33rd degree has no authority over a 3rd degree, all 3rd degree Masons are considered equal.
There are actually at least 10 different bodies of "rite" that can be joined after becoming a 3rd Degree, even within some of those rites it can be split into different jurisdictions.
So basically, no rite has jurisdiction over the other/the universal 3rd Degree. Get it?

illuminati =/= Masons
Skull and Bones =/= Masons
Obama =/= Mason

Masons require that you believe in a higher power but it does not matter whether it is a Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Muslim/Tao/insert religion/non-religious god, nothing to do with satan/satanic worship.

Crash