The Zeitgeist Movement

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I don't expect people to understand the motivation to work, but with a new school system, it would be possible. A new school system where people would be taught that work is just as creative as arts, which it is, if there's no reward for it.

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Creative works sucks if you happend to be a mathematician. But again, no mathematician would belive in the Zeitgeist movement.

I hate creative work, I hate having to have a imagination, and I hate stupid people.

Science is build on math, math is build on logic, logic is the cornerstone of the universe.

Some human brains can simply not manage math, but they might manage art. Creative unlogical work.
Thus humans are never equal, as some humans are to stupid to understand the logic of the universe, so all they do is create "art" , a form of anarchistic thinking which eventually leads to things as the Zeitgiest movement when they realise the clever people gets more benefit from the other clever people.

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Make something and share it with the rest. Why not? Pleasure of giving something to others - ever felt that? I have, and I like it :)

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Ingratitude is the way of the world

I stopped liking it a long time ago. I only share with people who prove themself to be on a equal intellectual level. Oh, if you belive in the Zeitgeist movement, you're not. You're at the bottom of the food chain , and I'll let you rot there untill your mind start to understand the logic of the universe.

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Originally Posted by vannaroth

what makes you believe there is no such thing as human nature? You seem to have ripped that directly from the film, and the film seems to have plucked it out of nowhere. It is ridiculous to assume that a human being is merely a blank slate. If behaviour is the result of localised environment, then why are certain traits consistent throughout all cultures, and in some cases indeed species? Among those included is greed. it's a logical trait, an extension of the natural will to survive - when 'need' inevitably turns into 'want'. You can call it human behaviour, and indeed it is strictly speaking, but if it is invariant throughout all cultures in all of history - then what meaningful distinction is there?

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Actually you got a point there with the survival instinct. But you forgot one thing - if there's enough to survive and even more, what then? Would there be greed?
As for the human nature - it also depends on what you understand with that. You might be born with instincts, but they build the basic behaviour, which can be changed later.
Isn't freedom a part of 'human nature'? Is it really freedom we have now? If yes, can you live without working for the society, without earning money?
There are many resources in the world, most of them are natural, except for one - money. As long as money is controlled by specific institutions (people), and is a part of our lives, there is no freedom.

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Originally Posted by DeathArt

Creative works sucks if you happend to be a mathematician. But again, no mathematician would belive in the Zeitgeist movement.

I hate creative work, I hate having to have a imagination, and I hate stupid people.

Science is build on math, math is build on logic, logic is the cornerstone of the universe.

Some human brains can simply not manage math, but they might manage art. Creative unlogical work.
Thus humans are never equal, as some humans are to stupid to understand the logic of the universe, so all they do is create "art" , a form of anarchistic thinking which eventually leads to things as the Zeitgiest movement when they realise the clever people gets more benefit from the other clever people.

Ingratitude is the way of the world

I stopped liking it a long time ago. I only share with people who prove themself to be on a equal intellectual level. Oh, if you belive in the Zeitgeist movement, you're not. You're at the bottom of the food chain , and I'll let you rot there untill your mind start to understand the logic of the universe.

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If you're a mathematician and don't trust other people, that doesn't mean other mathematicians do the same. I'm capable of mathematics and programming more than my classmates (not because I was born smart, but I was eager to learn much, which the education system should actually support, not give too much work so that one would have too little free time for oneself), and I'm creative too. Music, for example, can be a mix of logic and creativity, especially the classical music - the tempo and tones that fit together - it's more logical than creative. Nowadays music can be made by persons who aren't that good at logics.

I'd say you are trusting the now-existing economics too much. Haven't you looked around? There's an (almost) world-wide inflation, affecting many people's lives! If that's the world you want to live in, then please - remain into your own world, but let the others do what we please. The Venus Project is capable of what its all about even if not in a world-wide scale, and besides, it's not a must to everyone.

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Originally Posted by DeathArt

Creative works sucks if you happend to be a mathematician. But again, no mathematician would belive in the Zeitgeist movement.

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I know one of the major profs at Michigan State University, in the Engineering Department, who believes in the Zeitgeist movement, or at least parts of it. You might know him, if you're a math major - he's rather famous amongst those who love logic.

I'll update this in about eight hours... I have classes to get to now.

Well i just feel like something is very wrong in the world and i believe a change must be done and zeitgeist movement has the best vision for me

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Originally Posted by Look

hmm, a free world order. a free world order wil only happen if all humans are of the same mindset. and to make all humans have the same mindset, many others with not of the same train of thought will have to die. if they do not die, they will form another group of people who will clash with our new world order, and with 2 groups of people with differing views, that will mean war.

the message in the videos are a peaceful approach to making the free world order. but we are humans, there will never be a same train of thought ever happening worldwide, encompassing every human in the world. so what do we do with the people with differing thoughts ? try to understand them and the action behind their motives ? their motives is that they do not agree with the idea of a free world order. and what they want is the exact same as what we want. they want the free world idea to be shredded, and we want their anti-free world idea to be shredded.

now as sun tsu says, if u can't defeat them, join them. so we've physically caught them, but we just cannot defeat their mental state and ideals. as a free world order, we should not forcefully implement our ideals on them. so, should we join them in their ideals, set them free, and try to change them gradually in the near future ?

oh my, i should go discuss on the official website instead -_-

regards

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You and I think alike.

I watched this video ages ago when it was posted on Digg, it makes some good points about money but come on the Venus Project?

It's such a nice idea but it's just never going to happen, people are power hungry and a society without a leader would divide the populace over simple political differences.

All I have to say is fuck this. I cant be bothered to take into this, whats the point? What I understand about this (very little...) is that this movement basically calls everything corrupt, and unjust. Well, quite frankly if you dont like it, leave. Move to a new country, migrate to a part of the country where you will be out of touch with the 'unjust' world. The world we live in is all about personal gain, and is a dog eat dog world. If you dont like it, go be a rasta, go move to a remote tribe in africa, go live on a farm in the middle of no where.

Our current world has a system in place to do good, the system was designed to provide justice, and equality. No this doesnt happen all the time, but we hear more often then not the times when our system fails. It is more interesting and entertaining when our system fails, so cases of injustice are pointed out through movies, articles, television etc... The 'flaws' in the system is that it has to be reinforced 100%. Which means people can manipulate the system in their favor, and although common sense tells you the person is wrong, or guilty the system says they are correct/innocent. The people who do this for the most part do well in society, although they are looked down upon, they do well (financially and spiritually). You may ask why cant we sometimes let common sense prevail? Simple, its like going into an elementary school and giving 1 child a chocolate bar, why that person? Why none of the others? Soon they will all want one.

I have been on 2 pages of this thread, and it appears this thread (as expected) has turned into a debate between extreme supporters, and extreme opposition. Quite frankly, how do you have time to be in a heated debate about this? Like I said before, if you dont like your current situation, change it, but be realistic, use common sense.

Perhaps watch the video before making yourself look like an idiot...

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Originally Posted by Clysse

Perhaps watch the video before making yourself look like an idiot...

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Perhaps read my reply before calling my an idiot. I said a couple times I cant be bothered to watch a 1.5 hour video about some paranoid group trying to spark a revolution.

Hence, you shouldn't be posting here, in this thread, Haggard. Kudos on confirming Clysse's statement.

Doesn't discussion of a video imply one has watched said video before commenting on it?

Edit: Ok, so i'm re-watching this, and it just got to the thesis statement about "We're in slavery for money blah blah blah" and the problem that popped into my head was, what's the cure? I mean, sure it's nice seeing people enlightened about the corruption, but what other system exists that can support the raging population of the world and still maintain the stability (I know, there isn't much, but there is some stability in the world that stops us all from dying) that exists today?

Seen this, and alot of others. and guess what, they are right :lol:

Great movie, I like it very much !

wow. its so true that its scary... i shall get my brother/cousins to watch this.

can you get away with not paying a loan with this equation?

that the money they borrowed, was made out of thin air?