This is the kind of thing that discredits your cause, "Even worse tbh"
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This is the kind of thing that discredits your cause, "Even worse tbh"
It wasn't on the internet, it was on TV. and actually i've watched a few documentaries, there is a youtube channel, but as stated, i don't trust what i read/see on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
And that was directed at me. ps: I didn't watch it once, and it also wasn't the only one i've watched. I've seen both sides of the story. :thumbup1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
Take it from me, I have a degree in history, I've studied history all my life from primary school, through to secondary school, into college, at university and now as a hobby. History teachers do not know shit. They are just normal people who have been trained to teach a curriculum. They are not any wiser than anyone else. And word of mouth is just that, word of mouth. Not credible at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
Lol it doesn't matter where I got them from, the content of the Documentaries is what matters and there are plenty of them with content that is worth watching with an open-mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
Yes. How do you know it was exactly after the towers felt appart?Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
Have you seen any video, that in the exact moment when the dust cleared they went there to cut them? I'm afraid not. OFC they would say its for security reasons. LOL, or you think they'd say: "yeah, we cutted this one so the tower colapse directly to the ground and do not destroy another buildings near them, so yea, it was kind a security measure."
As you dont have any videos, the image of those iron bars plus videos of those dusts caused by all that implosions plus reports of people listening constantly to *BOOMS* (u can saw that on the internet) plus reports of employees telling that the building was closed 1 week before the "terrorist attack", and a lot of pple entering the building with strange things. Its enough to me, isnt it? If I remember well, the reason they used to close the towers were someting related to a bomb, or a security measure I dont remember. You can find those reports of employees and eyewitness on the youtube. But OFC you wouldnt do it. Seeing the truth about your(?) country would be too painfull, wouldnt it? :)
I think that's the problem with a lot of people that don't want to face stuff like this. Also I hate when people instantly disregard something just because it was found on the internet. Seriously? You're that shallow and single-minded that just because it comes from the Internet it should be completely disregarded and irrelevant to everything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
Sorry, but I fucking lol'd.
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory - YouTube
I cant understand a single word he said. anyways, to post things like this, you shouldnt even post. we are not kidding here.
LOL, hahahahahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
You can't understand a single word he said? You must have some fucking mental defect then. What makes you think I'm kidding about it all? Just because I linked a video which points out flaws in the official story, and thought the commentary was funny... I am making a big joke out of all of this? Lighten up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
You literally just said you didn't watch any documentaries. What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
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Originally Posted by SheenBR
Let me put it this way. I can show you photographs of metal beams being cut, diagonally, at ground zero in the same way shown in the pictures you are talking about. Can you show me pictures of beams being cut in the same way, in a controlled demolition, with thermite? And of course part of the clean up operation would involve cutting away left over beams, how else would you get rid of them?
And I live in the UK, not the US. It says so right under my user name. And I'm a socialist; I hate the US government as much as anyone. But the 9/11 'truth' movement is deluded.
I cant understand because I'm not native english speaker. I writer better than I listen, so I dont really know what he talked about. I'm assuming - seeing the images - that hes making fun of the "Conspiracy Theories". And no, I dont have any fucking mental defect. Just because I write in english that doesnt mean I can listen everything in english. I live in BR, not in USA(thankfully), thus I'm not used to listen to people talking in english -.-Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
@troublemaker1111
I'm trying to find a video that shows how you should cut the iron bar, but every keyword I type returns me a video of WTC :lol:
And I didnt understand all of your question, can you reformulate please? And how I am supposed to know what they did to the cutted piece of iron? lol... Thats the point, no one knows. No one knows what *really* happened there. No one knows *why* they closed WTC for 1 week before this event. No one knows *whats* those dusts coming out from windows. If someone did, they could prove or refute this "Conspiracy Theory". But, I dont think USA would like to have this proved, am I right?
Osama is dead? hahahahaha no fucking way.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...-to-sh-004.jpg
I'm not saying this is my proof, but I mean, the guy was hiding from USA for 10 years.. He would never be captured so easy. And then, MISTERIOUSLY his body accidentaly goes to the sea when it was being transported to USA or whichever place. OH GOSSHH, WHY THEY LOOOOOST THE BODYYY??? OH NOES.Quote:
The bloodied image of a man with matted hair and a blank, half-opened eye has been circulating on the internet for the past two years. It was used on the front pages of the Mail, Times, Telegraph, Sun and Mirror websites, though swiftly removed after the fake was exposed on Twitter.
OFC, their aswer is: "We buried the body at the sea to respect his islamic traditions." WHY WOULD I RESPECT THE TRADITIONS OF A MAN WHO *theoretically* DESTROYED WTC?
If I was Obama, I'd to have his body displayed in the main square of NY. Not respect his traditions and bury him in the sea, so anyone will able to see his body. The only guys that can confirm his dead are the soldiers. Oh, they are american, I forgot.
Why USA cant just leave everybody alone? Why they always have to start a war or some conflict? Jesus!
Just watch a documentary called Fahrenheit 9/11. If even after watching it, you still belive in the bullshit the US govt says, I can only feel sorry for you.
First, USA doesn't start every war. Get your facts right. Second, let's just "pretend" for a second that they actually found Osama (I'm not saying I believe they did, I'm saying let's pretend). If they hadn't treated his body with "respect", do you even have the brain capacity to realize just how much worse it would have been for poorly handling his funeral? Muslims, extremists and tolerants, would have rebelled because it would have gone against their religion. Now, I've told you twice to stop trying to turn this into a USA hate thread, but you fail to understand what that means. Prove your "facts" or keep quiet. PS: That US government you oh so hate has already come forward to state that picture is a hoax. IIRC, that was released by TMZ, not the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
I think you need to watch that film again because it doesn't actually say anything about 9/11 being an inside job.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
I didnt say it had. It just talks a little about 9/11 and how Bush didnt do shit to investigate it. Why he didnt want to investigate it?
Now, I am not going to post here anymore. I said everything I had to say. If you still belive Osama is dead, Bush is a saint and all that crap, there is nothing I can do.
Yes, I hate US govt. Not the american pple, who is fooled every single day by this shady govt.
Usa didnt start every war... Tell me why the hell they attacked Iraq. The govt itself sayda Saddam didnt had the resources to build mass destruction weapons. And all of a Sudden, he had. In that documentary, it also shows a tetimony of an agent ( I dont remember from where ) who says that Bush, immediately acused Iraq to be responsible for the attacks and ordered its invasion.
Think what you want to think.
Peace.
Oh, and btw, Bush's father used to provide weapons to Saddan Hussein. Weapons that he used to take control of Iraq. Then, Bush goes there, capture Saddan and kill him. WTF?
Just thought I'd share this;
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...ntitled-53.jpg
Ironic that when it's folded like that it resembles a Plane eh?
OFC everyone will say: "HAHAHA THIS IS NONSENSE, GTFO".
Stop being skeptical.
Here's an interesting read also;
PREPARING THE WTC FOR DESTRUCTION - Conspiracy Cafe
When this happened 10 years ago I was quite young so I don't think I understood the severity, but now 10 years later I watch the whole video of the Attack and I gotta say I'm quite shaken. I can't imagine what the people on the floors above where the plane hit were going through. I can't even imagine what it was like watching it happen live only a few blocks away.
The Osama Bin Laden images are fake IIRC, these images are not officials. Regardless this, I believe it's mere bullshit too. I also find weird how they did dare to record Saddam's death, but no Osama's.
Uhm. I think this is a joke dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
How is it a joke? Lemme guess, because it has to do with a Conspiracy Theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
No, because it's just so silly. Things like claiming 'gelatin' is a kind of explosive when he's thinking of 'gelignite', or saying 'spiegel' is a kind of iron when really it just means 'mirror' in German, and saying the use of the word 'balkon' supports the demolition theory because the word appears in Minecraft, and the general idea that these whimsical sketches are the plans for the world's greatest conspiracy ever conducted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
That's true, that's true. Idk, may have been a joke may not have been, I just thought it was interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
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Also;
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...knpl07/1-2.jpg
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...knpl07/2-4.jpg
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...knpl07/3-4.jpg
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...knpl07/4-2.jpg
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...knpl07/5-4.jpg
Why am I pointing this out? They fall in their footprints when an experienced demolition team intends to destroy a building from within. It's called an implosion, rather than an explosion to prevent damage to any surrounding structures. This is why people who have any sense do not believe the planes alone caused the complete structural failure of buildings 100+ stories tall
This is the testimony of William Rodriguez who was a maintenance worker at the WTC
William Rodriguez – WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance employee for twenty years, responsible for inspection and maintenance at the World Trade Center, who held the master key for the stairs. He was the last person to leave the building on September 11 and has been credited with saving many lives. For his efforts, he received the National Hero Award from the Senate of Puerto Rico. Founder, Hispanic Victims Group.
Article 6/24/05: Regarding an explosion in the sub-basement of the World Trade Center North Tower on 9/11, prior to any airplane impact. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Rodriguez was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.]
"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."
But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"
David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.
"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.
"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up. ...
"I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.
"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn't have any answers."
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
September 12, 2001
The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.
Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.
"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."
Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center...
Security Provided by Company Linked to Bush Family
Security for the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 was provided by Stratesec, a company in which George W. Bush's brother Marvin was a past principal, and which was backed by a Kuwaiti-American investment firm.
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...600424950.jpeg
Looks like it was cut to me.
Yes, because Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan is every war in the history of mankind. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
The PREPARING THE WTC FOR DESTRUCTION - Conspiracy Cafe video is fake, as it has been told in somewhere else I read. The newspaper date is wrong, as the sketch thing was from 1998 or something.
Regardless that weird drawing thing, I did found some good videos with good sources (at least for me) that may just be added to the topic.
Main:
WTC POWER-DOWNS BEFORE 9/11 - WTC EMPLOYEE INTERVIEWS - YouTube
"Branch":
U.S. GOVT. DESTROYED 9-11 CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE - 343 MURDERED FIREFIGHTERS CRY FOR JUSTICE - YouTube
I didn't saw others from the main one. Main as, it's the root of others videos that shows conspiracy, but yeah.
Erm.. If I'm reading this right, the claim is that the top of the tower fell straight down rather than to the side as you would expect, am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
I'm just gonna leave this here...
http://i.imgur.com/ErkrO.jpg
Weird because all of the videos of the attack show it falling straight down. Btw didn't you mention a while back something about using things from the internet as proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
Mm watch the first 2 minutes of this video;
TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSE. WTC COLLAPSE. TWIN TOWERS BUILDINGS FULL OF EXPLOSIVES ON 911: PROVEN - YouTube
Here's just one of many views of explosions. Also if you watch the video in slow motion at the moment of impact, the plane disappears into the building but you see the nose all the way past the wings go into the building with no explosions, when the plane isn't visible anymore you see just a section of maybe 3-5 floors that look a lot like detonations would look like.
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/f...npl07/asfs.jpg
But then again, the whole internet thing, so I guess none of our points are valid since the majority of people's proof comes from the internet. Anyway I'm done posting here I've said all I need to say ;)
A photograph is a photograph. It is evidence in and of itself. There is no bias attached to it, no misleading voice over, it simply speaks for itself. Here it is from another angle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
http://i.imgur.com/si0TF.jpg
And again:
http://i.imgur.com/N7rWT.jpg
Because after 9/11 the US government declared terrorism as a act of war. There is no conspiracy theory behind 9/11 thats valid, its the same jokers looking to make a story out of it by saying "omg we saw bombs and heard explosions at the base of the tower" meanwhile both towers collapse from the top down... For those wondering why they fell straight down, is because both tower caved from the inside out. Meaning the floors gave way before the outer shell thus causing it to go straight down (like they did in every video on the news). Any person who believes america did it for oil or other instances needs to slapped and thrown out of this country. Because a bill was pushed by the president to release electric power vehicles by 2012 to the public a while ago. And look where we are now, Nissan released the first one available to the consumer market not to long ago (commercials on TV for it right now).Quote:
Originally Posted by SheenBR
I've yet to see any video that proves anything you just said being true. All the official videos are bullshit. You're just obdurate to accept the truth, nothing really I can do, you're basically just too blinded to see. I ain't just saying that what I thinks is the real truth behind everything, but if you wants to defend something, you must of provide a logical point. All I've seen in defense of this so far is not logic in all points, it all has flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warmonger
But, whatever, ignorance is fuel of the ones taking the control.
perfect evidence man I didnt believe that the Government had anything to do with it until after readin ghtis thread and all ur posts, u changed my mind and i 160% believe that the Government had a LOT to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
Also i have enough common sense to be able 2 conduct research on my own, and be able to pick apart whts true and whats not (most the time) ppl who are still in denial "OH NO WAY OUR PRECIOUS GOVERNMENT WOULD DO THAT OH NO WAY IN HELL" u need 2 wake up and see the OBVIOUS facts. set ur ego aside and forget that ur so stubbornly set in your ways and WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH!!!!
also for u idiots saying "oh heavens no our government would NEVER do anything like that" which government are we talking about? Because the 1 im talking about has killed literally countless numbers of innocent people and deceived the american people constantly. the ignorance in this world today is truly remarkable...
There is deffinately facts to both sides of the story, but do take into consideration our beliefs, and stop with the "wake up to the truth" shit. Who says its the Truth? You do? Do we have to agree with you. Your version of the "truth" may be wrong, so don't go calling us stubborn. It is those forcing it upon us and calling us 100% wrong that are stubborn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackowl
At the minute, your an idiot. Partly because you cannot type properly, and still trying to make us out to be 100% wrong and your views 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackowl
I have no idea upon whom your reffering to, but I can safely say the same about yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackowl
Yes the american government has secrets. Take area 51 for example. The place which exists but doesn't.
The fact of the matter is, its history. The towers fell and the people died.
Just remember the people and not the reasons as to why they died. If we can do this simple thing as a species, then surely if what you do say is right will wake the government up to what we are really capable of. (uniting and making a stand together).
Rant over.
No at the moment you're the idiot. I said that I used to not believe the Government had anything to do with it, obviously meaning I believed it was a pure 100% terrorist attack that we had no knowledge of. Meaning I know all about the 'side' that believes the Government didn't have any knowledge of any of it. In-fact FYI I'd been studying and researching facts on BOTH sides of the story with an open mind for 6 years now, and the evidence that's presented against the idiots (yes once again I'm calling you all idiots, rant about it) FAR outweighs the evidence the idiots present us.
Both in how much there is of it, and how valid and logical the evidence is. Ha, funny you tell ME to take in consideration your beliefs, but you need to do the same thing. I'm willing to bet my left nut you've never once researched anything as to our side of the story, and if you did you probably instantly disregarded it. I don't get it, as stated previously, our own PRESIDENT for Christs sake even said, "Planned attacks on buildings in the US" when he was addressing the Towers, and STILL, "Oh no that doesn't mean anything blah blah blah" THAT, is the definition of IGNORANCE and pure STUBBORNNESS if you ask me.
Like I said, I've been researching both sides for 6 years now, I've seen plenty of evidence, interviews, testimonies, facts, books, videos, documentaries, literature, etc. on both sides of the story (with an open mind) and anyone with any common sense can easily tell what's wrong and what's right.
Set all of these conspiracies and beliefs/opinions aside and sort through all the evidence available from both sides and the truth is OBVIOUS.
I'm done with my 2 cents, Subject N4XYZ along with others have provided enough proof for any smart person to wake up. Your choice.
Sorry man it's just I get so tired and annoyed by all of these idiots who run and hide behind the Conspiracy part of it, sure, I understand it's a Conspiracy and there are 2 sides to a story and all of that, but... I mean come on, in this case none of that BS is viable and anyone who runs to that is just too, idk what word I'm looking for but they just can't accept that what they believe is wrong. But that could go for me too I understand, but the difference is the proof and evidence. Some people just don't see it how others do, and I understand we're all humans so I guess I can't be mad at them for that.
When you know the full truth about something would you not try your all to show it to other people? Unfortunately for us on our side, the position we're put in the only thing we can do is provide you with plenty of logical "biased" (as some say) proof and inform you that you're really being a stubborn fool about it whether you or anyone else says or wants to think.
But then again Truth is a funny word, because there is always 2-sides to a story, and both sides will have there set of beleifs and stand-points.
But there will for sure be posts that are going to attack me and try to prove my posts wrong so I guess I just wasted my time venting. Because I'm still frustrated that our youth (Assuming you all aren't at least 20) is still feeding into this, admittedly with pretty valid and solid points. But even if I can get across to at least one person as Subject did, then I guess I can say my mission is complete.
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackowl
I have many things buzzing through my mind in response to each and every sentence of this comment. And since its one of them long shit old saturdays, your welcome to reply to this, as I certainly fancy a big ol' debate.
Now, onto stripping every sentence apart.
Your first word clearly shows how stubborn you are towards your view. Which is fine, I have nothing against your beliefs, which is something I'll soon cover. Besides, where's the fun in making a point and not sticking by it! Moving on, later int hsi sentence you call me an idiot. I'd love to know why. Idiots are people who tend to do something obsurd, which falls nowhere within this thread. Crap insult tbh.Quote:
No at the moment you're the idiot.
I've not initially touched on this, so I don't know why your repeating yourself. I understand that you used to think it was the terorists, but this evidence has changed your opinion. I have nothing against that. At least here you've shown an open mind. Unfortunately, you've closed that mind and refuse to accept otherwise.Code:I said that I used to not believe the Government had anything to do with it, obviously meaning I believed it was a pure 100% terrorist attack that we had no knowledge of.
Brilliant.Quote:
Meaning I know all about the 'side' that believes the Government didn't have any knowledge of any of it.
I highly doubt you've dedicated 6 years of your life to create a conspiracy revolution. If you have, kudos. Yes there is evidence to suggest that the government was in on it, but then there is the evidence that prooves otherwise. Take this example. Some kid makes a sandcastle on the beach, unaware of a crab beneath the ground. He accidentally kicks over apart of his castle but not all of it. Aware of what he has done he runs off and calls for aid, but then the crab strikes and brings it down, runnign off afterwards. The kid has no idea upon what has knocked it down so he starts doing all these conspiracy things to find out the culprit. No-one knows i was the crab. There is foto prints but no definative answer. Without a definative answer, your point is... nothing but a guess. Once again, what's with the "idiot" name calling? Grow up, if you want to debate properly, respect the other side's views, and respect the speaker.Quote:
In-fact FYI I'd been studying and researching facts on BOTH sides of the story with an open mind for 6 years now, and the evidence that's presented against the idiots (yes once again I'm calling you all idiots, rant about it) FAR outweighs the evidence the idiots present us.
Never said ahything regarding the validity of your evidence?Quote:
Both in how much there is of it, and how valid and logical the evidence is. Ha, funny you tell ME to take in consideration your beliefs, but you need to do the same thing.
And trust me, I've watched them documentaries. I don't ever enter a debate if I have no idea upon what i'm on about.
I'm willing to shake on that bet. Like mentioned, i never enter a debate without knowledge of the other side. And if you'd take the time to read my initial comment, I clearly said and I quote:Quote:
I'm willing to bet my left nut you've never once researched anything as to our side of the story, and if you did you probably instantly disregarded it.
"Yes the american government has secrets"
I honestly don't know what the reasonings behind 9/11 were. All I know is that there is no definate answer. Like 1+1=2, 2 is a definate answer because 1+1 always will =2. We haven't been told its 100% the government(except from you strong closed minded folk).
Any attack, even by the taliban requries planning.Quote:
I don't get it, as stated previously, our own PRESIDENT for Christs sake even said, "Planned attacks on buildings in the US" when he was addressing the Towers, and STILL, "Oh no that doesn't mean anything blah blah blah" THAT, is the definition of IGNORANCE and pure STUBBORNNESS if you ask me.
And did I say "Oh no that doesn't mean anything blah blah blah"?
Whoops, -1 to you ;)
On this comment, I agree with you. There is a clear amount of evidence to suggest it was planned, but I'm going to bring back that word of a definate answer again. For all you know, stars could be made from egg. No-one has gone and took a sample of a star and performed chemistry on it. We currently think it's made up of hydrogen, helium, sulphur etc.Quote:
Like I said, I've been researching both sides for 6 years now, I've seen plenty of evidence, interviews, testimonies, facts, books, videos, documentaries, literature, etc. on both sides of the story (with an open mind) and anyone with any common sense can easily tell what's wrong and what's right.
I'm going to leave it there, without having to repeat myself.
Back to my original post, just be a bit more open minded until you get your "definate answer"..
*big sigh*
A lot of assumptions being made here. First of all I have watched and read a ton of shit about 9/11; major pieces like Loose Change and Zeitgeist and smaller mini-docs, as well as articles on sites like prisonplanet and above top secret. No truther can claim I haven't listened to their side of the story. I have seen more than enough to convince myself that the conspiracy side have it wrong. Many of the arguments put forward are either based on outright lies (eg 'no plane wreckage was found at the pentagon'), logical fallacies (eg 'it looks like a controlled demolition, therefore it is a controlled demolition'), extremely bad science (eg fire can't melt steel, therefore the steel should have held up) or just straight up stupid shit (eg your 'planned attacks' comment above, no offense). In reference to your last paragraph, I think it's worth noting that I am 22 with a degree in history. I know a thing or two about researching, analysing and arranging evidence. It's essentially what I specialise in. So I somewhat resent being called an 'idiot' and 'ignorant' when really all I've done is looked at the evidence and reached a different conclusion to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackowl
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Originally Posted by Subject N4XYZ
EDIT: wow my bad I made a fool of myself. Well somewhere around the internet I saw a video that breaks down and debunks proving that 9/11 was not a government conspiracy. I just watched loose change and realized that's the wrong video lol...
Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again Edition (FULL) - YouTube
found it!
Anyone here who claims they "researched" doesn't know the meaning of the damn word. Googling conspiracies and watching conspiracy videos is not RESEARCH. Jesus christ.:grr:
Just looked at some videos... Its horrible how you think " uhh another boring day of work" And then Bam....
This video is so sad...
9/11 911 Calls from Kevin Cosgrove and Melissa Doi - YouTube
and STILL, nobody has explained WTC7.
Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - What is Building 7 ?
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Building 7 Explained - YouTube
Conspiracy Theorists who believes the Americans did this to themselves so dangle their balls into a forge and permanently remove the possibility that they may spread moronitis through their genes.
I'd also like to include that hundreds of Skyscrapers and Tall buildings in the past 5 or so Decades have caught fire and stayed ablaze for Weeks and never collapsed. There was a structure I think in, Britain I wanna say, it was a very important building though, and it burned for almost 2 weeks and never, collapsed. Any and everyone who was watching all were saying "The WTC collapsed from fire, so why isn't this one?" People were waiting for the collapse of this huge building that has been on fire for almost 2 weeks now, yet, the collapse, never, came. Also Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York was in WTC and received a call telling him to get out of New York, and to get away from the Towers as there is going to be an event occurring.Quote:
Sorry to break it to you Mr.Accomplished 22 Year old with a Degree in History, but Steel, does, not, melt, at, those, temperatures. I've seen you throw around your little 22 years old and History Degree line a couple times on this site, what, you think that makes you special? Just because you wasted your life being brainwashed and taught a bunch of rubbish that was written by Black-Label Communists? Having a Degree in History does not automatically sustain any fact that you know less nor more about anything (Especially about buildings collapsing) than any of us do, that just means you have been feeding into the lies and fairy-tales of these History books. Anyways, enough about that, once again, steel, does, not, melt, at, those, temperatures.
I've worked with Steel since I was a young Teenager, in my old home in Kansas when I was 16 years old I went to work everyday with my Father at his Steel Mill he owned and operated, this Factory consisted of Molten Vats of the hottest substance you could imagine, why didn't any of the Vats that were MADE OUT OF STEEL Melt? I mean, if just a little bit of Jet Fuel burning can melt Steel Rivets 5 Inches thick within an hour, then why don't these Vats that have Molten Substances melt through? (With temperatures 3x more extreme than that of Jet Fuel burning) And these Vats don't just hold these liquids for Hours, or 13-15 Minutes, no, these Vats hold this Lava like substance for MONTHS, or until they need to be changed out after becoming unstable. You underestimate the power of Steel, I'm not a "Conspiracy Theorist" but it's hard for me to just sit around and let these silly assumptions about how Steel would melt from Jet Fuel burning, when I've worked with Steel and Substances much hotter than Jet Fuel burning, my whole life.
The current Steel Mill I work at has 5 Vats (Couldruns if you will) Each vat consists of 4.2" Thick Steel, and is about 6 Ft x 6 Ft. We use these vats when we need to instantly super-heat Steel Rivets to increase the integrity of the beams. (After they cool down from the super heating we chemically spray them with an enzyme that increases the integrity even further) Well, these Vats, these 6 Foot in Radius Vats that contain you could say Molten Lava which is much hotter than any Jet Fuel burning at it's peak temperature, yet, there has never been ONE case of not even a pinhole of the Steel Vat melting. And these Vats hold these liquids for MONTHS as I said before.
Steel just doesn't melt at the Temperature in which Jet Fuel burns. Now, as I said I'm not a Conspiracy Theorist, but I am smart enough to make out obvious occurances for what they are, and neither of those Towers should have collapsed just from a Plane crashing into them, NO MATTER HOW BIG THE PLANE IS. I realized what really happened that Tragic Day many many years ago, and since then I've had enough discussions, debates, arguments, I've watched enough Documentaries, news reports, videos, factoid videos, and I've also taken into consideration every side of this story from thousands of different people to make out what really happened. I've been to New York protests, I've been to over 15 to be exact, and within these protests I've discussed 9/11 with people who believe it was a Government action, people who believe the Government at least had prior-knowledge, people who believe it was strictly a terrorist attack, people who believe the planes are what solely made them collapse, pretty much I've argued and discussed with every side of the story there is. In person. At live protests.
I have one last question, how do you explain all of the calls and notifications to high-up congressman, news reporters, republicans, democrats, pretty much anyone that has anything to do with Politics, how do you explain all of the prior knowledge of an attack? How do you explain over 20 people called and told not to be around either of the Towers on 9/11? How do you explain 10+ Text Messages stating that there is going to be something happening on 9/11 and they need to leave the city? There were so many people that were notified and warned to get out of New York, BEFORE THE TOWERS EVEN GOT STRUCK. Bomb sniffing dogs were called off the scene 4 days before 9/11, and at a time where NO air-traffic was allowed IN or out of New York, Bush tells Air Officials to let Osama and his Family fly out?
I think you really need to rethink your stories and put a little more thought and open-mindedness in them, and realize that the true terrorist is our own ex-president, George Walker Bush.
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Oh I'd also like to add that did you know the Same day that the Towers were attacked Bush declared a state of Martial Law in New York? The same, day that this happened New York was locked down, and every New Yorker's rights were literally stripped from them. There were Sound Vans monitoring people's conversations almost every other block, there were surveillance blimps flying above the city with ground-penetrating x-ray equipment that displayed a black and white image inside of peoples home's, every block and I mean literally every block had Military AND Police personal with fully automated deadly-assault rifles armed and loaded. I've read a couple other members that get this point across very nicely, jm2.me, SheenBR and Profound are a few that did a great job of explaining the FEAR Factor in this "Terrorist Attack"
But they left out the Martial Law aspect of the Attack. 9/11 was an event that was used to get people used to the idea of having no rights, Military and Police running the show, having no privacy, and to live in a Police-State. Fear, Terror, these 2 Words are shoved down almost every American's throat. If you scare a Nation you can get them to accept and do pretty much anything. 9/11 was a pre-conditioning I guess you could say, to get people used to the idea of deadly weapons on every corner. These sounds vans and other Military equipment, these are used in OTHER places such as Iraq, Saudi, Pakistan, the whole Middle East, these weapons are used to FIGHT TERRORISM AND ENEMIES, yet they are being used on American Citizens.
A lot of these "Conspiracy Theorists" on this website have brought forth VERY solid and logical points that just get ignored or automatically discredited because it comes from a "Conspiracy Theorist" Oh God, I just love those words, Conspiracy Theorist. Yeah, Bush sure did a good job at all of his Public Speeches and Meetings to address the Theorists as delusional stubborn un-american people. Almost every Public Speech or Address of an Issue he made he included the Words "Conspiracy Theorist" and "Outrageous un-American" I must say George did an excellent job of fabricating it even further by making all Conspiracy Theorists automatically delusional and un-american because they are trying to expose him.
Yet, I find it funny that on a couple occasions once the Zogby Poll was brought up (Over 50% of New Yorker's believe that the Government had pre-knowledge) during a Public Speech with the Press, Bush's attitude changed instantly and he stumbled over his words frequently. Or the fact that his I think 4th or 5th Public Addressing, a Man stood up and informed everyone that Bush has been in Business with the Bin Laden's for years, and Bush got his first Business Monies from Bin Laden to open his Oil Company. OR, that in ANOTHER Public Conference that I was at documenting information, I brought up the subject of the multiple people who were informed of an attack, BEFORE 9/11. What does Bush say? "You're Un-American and that's outrageous, the American People -Stumbles over words- 9/11 Terrorists -Stumbles over words some more-" and he ends it with, "I don't have to explain myself to outrageous conspiracy theorists like yourself" and before I was escorted out of the Hearing House by Uniformed Police, I made sure that everyone in that room knew that WE FUND AND HAVE BEEN FUNDING AND TRAINING AL-QAEDA Since Bush made his first business deal with Osama. Once I said that, Bush had a dumb look on his face and walked away from the stand.
Or that on August 30th during a Peaceful Protest in New York, over 2,000 Protesters were cuffed and taken to a Condemned 70 year old building on the New York Pier, the same building that has been vacant for 70 years and is full of asbestos, harmful chemicals, and God knows what else? Or almost every human that was detained in this building ended up in the Hospital with severe Chemical Burns and Lung Cancer? All of the Security dogs that were stationed at this Concentration Camp also died weeks later due to lung problems, over 2,000 people were detained and imprisoned in this inhumane condemned 70 year old building. The conditions inside of this building were horrible and no human would be able to withstand them for very long, yet over 2,000 people were detained here, handcuffed with Plastic Torture-Cuffs, and who knows what else happened to these innocent people inside of that building.
Not even a week after Bush came into Office US Military Personnel were ordered to back off of Osama and his Family, there were so many red flags put up, even multiple CIA and FBI Agents were fired because they did not like what was going on behind the scenes. Bush actually had quite a little relationship going on with Osama and his family. And I quote from multiple news sources/CIA and FBI Documents, "FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the attacks of September the 11th"
On-top of this, there were many mainstream media reports of Osama being Treated at a US Hospital. During a few week time period from this stay, Osama met with the CIA Section Chief to discuss specific things. Hmm, I wonder what they were discussing, maybe what the official story of the Attack would be?
Oh, and DonTonberry, you find it hard to believe that our precious, perfect Government would never do anything to harm us precious Americans? You've got serious issues and need to wake up. Our Government is just as corrupt and Evil as Hitler was, in-fact, on the Hitler note, back when Hitler became "known" I guess, a few years before he died he fire-bombed his own Reichstag Building. Now what does Hitler have to do with any of this? Plenty. Just for reference, there have been many US Politicians as well as former presidents photographed having Lunch, talking with, or even appearing at Hitler's speeches. Our Country is being plunged into the Darkness and Corruption of our World-Leaders, and fast. It's up to us American Citizens to expose the Government and Bush for what they are, we need to stand up and Fight this Money Hungry Evil Government.
Not to mention there are many firefighters that survived the Collapse (They got away just in-time) who say that they had been warned the building was about to come down and started to head outside of the building, they said that right before the collapse happened they could hear multiple explosions going on all throughout the tower. There is too much evidence to ignore here, too much obvious evidence, yet so many people just ignore it or discredit it like you said.
And as for the "intense jet-fuel burning melting the steel" You need to realize how well built, and how advancely engineered these 2 Towers were. These Towers were built with absolutely Immense Engineering structural technology, literally top of the line. These 2 Towers were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT IMPACTS. Or, one last thing, how do you explain the Designer/Architect of these Towers (The person who layed the plans and everything to build these towers) STATES HIMSELF THAT THESE TOWERS SHOULD NOT HAVE COLLAPSED FROM JET-FUEL, AND THAT THEY WERE BUILT AND ENGINEERED TO WITHSTAND 2 OR MORE IMPACTS OF THAT AS AN AIRPLANE. MANY WORLD-RENOWNED ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING ONES THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THE VERY CONSTRUCTION OF THE TOWERS ALL HAVE COME FORTH AND SAID THAT THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING WAS SO ADVANCED AND PRECISE THAT THESE TOWERS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN BY FIRE, NOR AN AIRPLANE, NOR EVEN MULTIPLE AIRPLANES.
I'll throw in a little fun-fact, 3 of the supposed hijackers are still alive to this day.