want to help haiti but got no money?

[troublemaker1111]

jMerliN people have asked you this before with regards to your views on this issue, but I'm going to ask you again: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so determined to cast such a massive shadow over this whole situation? 200,000 people dead, an entire country in shambles and all you've done is be massive prick, doubting the good will of others for no reason at all, opposing the aid that has been given so far, and even blaming the fucking disaster on the Haitian people. I mean seriously? Just take your thinly veiled racism and fuck off.

[•╩•andy•╩•]

Wow and what makes you think hes not gonna donate the money?

Not everyone thinks like you.
(ignorant,selfish,negative)

Take a min and think what you say 1st.

[Shawn]

Any time someone stands to gain financially from something, you cannot assume they are altruistic, not presently.

Doing so is ignorant and foolish.

Any time someone stands to do something good out of a bad situation, you cannot assume they are doing it only for financial gain.

Doing so is ignorant and foolish.

[Rishwin]

As per this announcement : http://forum.ragezone.com/f71/ignore...3/#post5471649 i suggest people putting jMerliN on their ignore list. I just did it 5 minutes ago and already my headache has subsided. For a while he was alright, but since his account got unbanned he's gone back to being a complete douche.

[Shawn]

As per this announcement : http://forum.ragezone.com/f71/ignore...3/#post5471649 i suggest people putting jMerliN on their ignore list. I just did it 5 minutes ago and already my headache has subsided. For a while he was alright, but since his account got unbanned he's gone back to being a complete douche.

Thank you very much. Done. I feel better now xD

[Negata]

I think it's naive not to have the slightest doubt about something. I don't care if jMerlin is wrong and the guy actually delivers, he still had a valid point. I find it disgusting most of you won't even entertain the thought of the opposite, and with that attitude I'd imagine you'll be bending over a lot in life. People always act with their own interests in mind, that's how we function.

It's a discussion topic; why does it offend some of you so much when you're presented with an alternative view. Ignoring him only seems to show how easily bruised your skin is, because it's not like he's making the forum unbearable to use or any other rational reason. And to declare it in public! Good for you. The last way to try and get an edge when your conversational skills fail, or something?

[Rishwin]

I think it's naive not to have the slightest doubt about something. I don't care if jMerlin is wrong and the guy actually delivers, he still had a valid point. I find it disgusting most of you won't even entertain the thought of the opposite, and with that attitude I'd imagine you'll be bending over a lot in life. People always act with their own interests in mind, that's how we function.

It's a discussion topic; why does it offend some of you so much when you're presented with an alternative view. Ignoring him only seems to show how easily bruised your skin is, because it's not like he's making the forum unbearable to use or any other rational reason. And to declare it in public! Good for you. The last way to try and get an edge when your conversational skills fail, or something?

Slightest doubt i can live with. He is flat out refusing to believe that the money will EVER be donated. Not only that, but he's making such a big deal out of it.

At the end of the day, we DID NOT pay a cent of that money. It is not ours, it never was ours, it never will be ours. So why exactly does it bother him so much what the money is used for? To be honest i don't give a flying fuck if he just pockets all of it - it really has nothing to do with anyone except for him!

The Google cheque has got his name on it and nobody elses. Nobody gave him money, all we did was click on a stinking link. All he has done is made a promise to donate that money - HIS MONEY. If he does it, that's great. If he doesn't, WHO CARES.

Negata you do not oversee every section, this is only one of many threads jMerliN has caused problems in, simply because he wants to. He was banned for doing it, and upon getting his account back he has continued to do so, however now it's in almost every section. He is not only unreasonable to talk to, but a complete dick, the post was deleted, but Cheat quoted here exactly what he said : http://forum.ragezone.com/5483073-post22.html

[Negata]

Negata you do not oversee every section, this is only one of many threads jMerliN has caused problems in, simply because he wants to.

I've seen what he does and I understand why it can annoy some/most people, but I don't see it as a bad thing, because this would be an awfully mellow place if all people ever did was agree with each other. About how he goes about this thread, I don't view it as him saying the guy certainly will not follow through with his promise. He simply assumes it won't happen for the sake of a debate, and reasons why this could be the case (not even that he claims it is), and mostly how this is countered is by assuming the opposite and celebrating the benefits before it's happened, instead of addressing what I consider somewhat jMerlin's point: what is the most likely motivation of this youtube guy.

[Rishwin]

I've seen what he does and I understand why it can annoy some/most people, but I don't see it as a bad thing, because this would be an awfully mellow place if all people ever did was agree with each other. About how he goes about this thread, I don't view it as him saying the guy certainly will not follow through with his promise. He simply assumes it won't happen for the sake of a debate, and reasons why this could be the case (not even that he claims it is), and mostly how this is countered is by assuming the opposite and celebrating the benefits before it's happened, instead of addressing what I consider somewhat jMerlin's point: what is the most likely motivation of this youtube guy.

We have a section for that.

Of course we don't want everyone agreeing with everything, but going out and "trying" to counter everyone elses posts just for the sake of doing it is not for this section.

Why does he need motivation? He can't just do it because it's the right thing to do?

[Savage]

fuck haiti, why would i wanna help them

Seriously? Are you that selfish and that much of an asshole? You would want to help them because their in a state of horror and poverty a thousand times than they already were. I suggest getting a brighter outlook on life, you ignorant sonuvabitch.

Rishwin, can I request an infraction for this guy? He didn't contribute to the conversation, presented no valid point, and is just looking to cause trouble.

[Rishwin]

Seriously? Are you that selfish and that much of an asshole? You would want to help them because their in a state of horror and poverty a thousand times than they already were. I suggest getting a brighter outlook on life, you ignorant sonuvabitch.

Rishwin, can I request an infraction for this guy? He didn't contribute to the conversation, presented no valid point, and is just looking to cause trouble.

Heh just report it, i'm blue now buddy not green, can't do shit.

[Savage]

Heh just report it, i'm blue now buddy not green, can't do shit.

Oh shit, I completely looked past that and forgot, haha! No worries, I reported it after I posted that.

[Shawn]

I think it's naive not to have the slightest doubt about something. I don't care if jMerlin is wrong and the guy actually delivers, he still had a valid point. I find it disgusting most of you won't even entertain the thought of the opposite, and with that attitude I'd imagine you'll be bending over a lot in life. People always act with their own interests in mind, that's how we function.

It's a discussion topic; why does it offend some of you so much when you're presented with an alternative view. Ignoring him only seems to show how easily bruised your skin is, because it's not like he's making the forum unbearable to use or any other rational reason. And to declare it in public! Good for you. The last way to try and get an edge when your conversational skills fail, or something?

You're right. There is that possibility of that happening. Never have I, or anyone thinking the same as me said it wasn't. We are more bent over the fact that jMerliN is completely disregarding any chance of him donating the money.

Yes, it was a fairly decent "debate" until he decided to insult myself and my family, whom have nothing at all to do with the subject, even remotely. That is mainly why I put him on that list. This is the second time people have mentioned my family in a negative way on this forum since my son was born, and quite frankly, if it keeps happening, I will be leaving. I know the staff can't do anything to prevent it, and am happy with the way DaCheat handled it, but I'm sure you can understand me when I say I don't need that shit.

@Rishwin: Thank you.

[jMerliN]

You're right. There is that possibility of that happening. Never have I, or anyone thinking the same as me said it wasn't. We are more bent over the fact that jMerliN is completely disregarding any chance of him donating the money.

Yes, it was a fairly decent "debate" until he decided to insult myself and my family, whom have nothing at all to do with the subject, even remotely. That is mainly why I put him on that list. This is the second time people have mentioned my family in a negative way on this forum since my son was born, and quite frankly, if it keeps happening, I will be leaving. I know the staff can't do anything to prevent it, and am happy with the way DaCheat handled it, but I'm sure you can understand me when I say I don't need that shit.

@Rishwin: Thank you.

That's going to keep happening. For some reason you've justified raising yourself to a god of sorts, infallible in every measure of humanity, morality, ethics, etc just because you have a kid now. That's not true, you're living in lalaland, and statements like that which aren't untrue may hurt your feelings but you need a little dose of reality.

Don't believe it? The avatar. The name change. Anything involving kids, including the LAW, you believe means what you think it means rather than what has been set before in precedent many times through law applied by persons with doctorate level degrees who understand law to a point that you couldn't imagine at present. Every response of yours is slanted now, and obviously so. It's the internet. Either keep your stuff private or don't act like because you have something in life it magically makes you better than anyone else. That's a very crucial mistake. You expose a huge vulnerability to yourself and at the same time rub it in peoples' face essentially. Why are you shocked when people poke back? Discussion with a brick wall that thinks it's always right.. is not very interesting.



Also, @ above discussions, yes, in some cases, I do take a position to affect discussion and debate, sometimes controversial. I do not go around looking for things to do to cause problems. Boring forum is boring. Nobody wants that.

[DaCheat]

ChaoticForces pointed out that the User deleted the video all together...

So I'll reopen this topic if you all play nice.

[Ruptured]

Thanks Cheat, for reopening and editing the first post.

[Shawn]

Well, since it is reopened, I thought I'd post an update for everyone. Enjoy!!!


[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsBqmdWJS80[/nomedia]



I feel happy now that I helped, even if it was just by viewing a video. My wife and I donated $25 CAD today at a Tim Hortons. They had a special box set aside for Haiti donations. Thank you Exy for posting this, as none of this would have been possible if people like yourself didn't inform others of this mans' actions.

[.Yoss.]

I'm glad I clicked it even though I don't usually do thanks to those shitty rick roll videos.
I'd rather watch this haiti video a million times than watching that video the faggots from 4chan promote.

[Shawn]

I completely agree. This turned my day into a good one.

[jMerliN]

This sure is weird.. less than 5 hours after that video was posted I checked some things out.

Notice in the video he goes to www.redcross.org. Go there, the page looks like what he's got. Now, if you click on 'Donate now' just like he did, notice the part of the URL you can see in his browser is:

"org/cgi-bin/donations/haiti_paypal.html?s_src=RSG0000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton"

Notice that the org should be the .org of redcross.org. Try going to that URI on the red cross site. Hmmmmmm. Not found. Redcross.org for me redirects to "http://arc3.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main". Further, notice in the video it's "haiti_paypal.html" (why is a html in cgi-bin, that's an oddity since you can make webservers do that but there's no point) but why would the ARC's donation page have haiti in it? Do they change their donation page's name to the latest natural disaster? Notice the ARC button redirects to two places, what I got was one of them, the other lives on american.redcross.org, but again, it's not a cgi-bin. It's a generic donation page.

Further, notice on his video the 'Donation Amount' box is at the top of the page. It does not exist on the page that I get. Further, when he goes forward, it instantly refers to paypal.

This page only has the IRF and Haiti relief and development as options, t he one I get has more. Further, at the bottom of this page, it reads "Thank you for your generous support. Due to high donation processing volume on redcross.org, you will be redirected to PayPal for donation processing. If you have any questions, please call 1-800-797-8022, option 2." and has the big paypal Donate button there at the bottom.

Why would this page only have 2 recipient funds on it?


Again, note that this was 5 hours after the video was posted. Is all of this possible? Yes, it's possible that RedCross was receiving an INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations and then 5 hours later had switched back to their load-balanced solution which couldn't handle the INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations going through it.. to one hosted by someone else with a .org domain (paypal may have one), and to host it on paypal. It's also possible that they dropped all of the other funds and only showed these two, though that wouldn't normally make any sense (unless these two had a huge majority of the donations being made), and that that donation page name accepted the exact same arguments as the one on their servers, but was named 'haiti_paypal.html'.

On the other hand, everything in that video can easily be faked with a little bit of common DNS and webserver trickery. Notice the URL bar is never shown after the amount is entered (so we can't see if the SSL connection was proper or what site he was on).

I remain skeptical, that's a lot of coincidence.

[troublemaker1111]

First of all, I can't believe you put so much time and effort into trying to incriminate this guy. Do you actually have no life?

Secondly,

http://www.redcross.org/cgi-bin/dona...0_BigRedButton

You put in one too many zeroes.

Stop being a prick and try doing something constructive with your time. Like donating.

[Shawn]

This sure is weird.. less than 5 hours after that video was posted I checked some things out.

Notice in the video he goes to www.redcross.org. Go there, the page looks like what he's got. Now, if you click on 'Donate now' just like he did, notice the part of the URL you can see in his browser is:

"org/cgi-bin/donations/haiti_paypal.html?s_src=RSG0000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton"

Notice that the org should be the .org of redcross.org. Try going to that URI on the red cross site. Hmmmmmm. Not found. Redcross.org for me redirects to "http://arc3.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main". Further, notice in the video it's "haiti_paypal.html" (why is a html in cgi-bin, that's an oddity since you can make webservers do that but there's no point) but why would the ARC's donation page have haiti in it? Do they change their donation page's name to the latest natural disaster? Notice the ARC button redirects to two places, what I got was one of them, the other lives on american.redcross.org, but again, it's not a cgi-bin. It's a generic donation page.

Further, notice on his video the 'Donation Amount' box is at the top of the page. It does not exist on the page that I get. Further, when he goes forward, it instantly refers to paypal.

This page only has the IRF and Haiti relief and development as options, t he one I get has more. Further, at the bottom of this page, it reads "Thank you for your generous support. Due to high donation processing volume on redcross.org, you will be redirected to PayPal for donation processing. If you have any questions, please call 1-800-797-8022, option 2." and has the big paypal Donate button there at the bottom.

Why would this page only have 2 recipient funds on it?


Again, note that this was 5 hours after the video was posted. Is all of this possible? Yes, it's possible that RedCross was receiving an INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations and then 5 hours later had switched back to their load-balanced solution which couldn't handle the INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations going through it.. to one hosted by someone else with a .org domain (paypal may have one), and to host it on paypal. It's also possible that they dropped all of the other funds and only showed these two, though that wouldn't normally make any sense (unless these two had a huge majority of the donations being made), and that that donation page name accepted the exact same arguments as the one on their servers, but was named 'haiti_paypal.html'.

On the other hand, everything in that video can easily be faked with a little bit of common DNS and webserver trickery. Notice the URL bar is never shown after the amount is entered (so we can't see if the SSL connection was proper or what site he was on).

I remain skeptical, that's a lot of coincidence.

Wow... just.. wow... You seriously have issues. I hope one day you learn to cope with them. Even after the person you doubted proved you and others like you wrong, you still continue to be a major dick, denying he did the act. That is truly sad man... sad as hell. Even more sad that you spent all that time trying to debunk someones' "motive" (or rather, motive that you wanted it to be) to scam people for a mere $300-500 dollars. Because yea, all scammers will waste that much time, NOT asking people for money, and NOT asking people for their credit card info, but in fact ONLY asking people to view a 2-3 minute video, to scam people 300-500 dollars... What other damn proof do you really need? A picture? You'll say it's photoshop'd. A video? Well, you just had one and still deny it. A live webcam feed? You are too much man... too fucking much.

Now Negata, do you see how ridiculous he is?

[jMerliN]

Wow... just.. wow... You seriously have issues. I hope one day you learn to cope with them. Even after the person you doubted proved you and others like you wrong, you still continue to be a major dick, denying he did the act. That is truly sad man... sad as hell. Even more sad that you spent all that time trying to debunk someones' "motive" (or rather, motive that you wanted it to be) to scam people for a mere $300-500 dollars. Because yea, all scammers will waste that much time, NOT asking people for money, and NOT asking people for their credit card info, but in fact ONLY asking people to view a 2-3 minute video, to scam people 300-500 dollars... What other damn proof do you really need? A picture? You'll say it's photoshop'd. A video? Well, you just had one and still deny it. A live webcam feed? You are too much man... too fucking much.

Now Negata, do you see how ridiculous he is?

It is better to be skeptical for when you are surprised, it is because someone lived up to being better than you expected. Worse, is it, to be ever wishful so that when you are surprised, it is because you have been let down.

First of all, I can't believe you put so much time and effort into trying to incriminate this guy. Do you actually have no life?

Secondly,

http://www.redcross.org/cgi-bin/dona...0_BigRedButton

You put in one too many zeroes.

Stop being a prick and try doing something constructive with your time. Like donating.

I didn't put a lot of time and effort into it. That literally took just a few minutes, though it's nice to see that I was wrong. My job literally is to be skeptical all the time, so I am. And while I noticed that stuff, I was waiting for something to install and watching TV, so I was doing 3 things at once o.O.


Now, if you'll excuse me, it's hailing quite hard outside and we have the tornado sirens blaring so I'm going to go stand by the window and see if I need to take cover.

[Ruptured]

Being skeptical is not always a bad thing.
It obviously prevents Merlin from being victim of scams.

[Shawn]

It is better to be skeptical for when you are surprised, it is because someone lived up to being better than you expected. Worse, is it, to be ever wishful so that when you are surprised, it is because you have been let down.

I didn't put a lot of time and effort into it. That literally took just a few minutes, though it's nice to see that I was wrong. My job literally is to be skeptical all the time, so I am. And while I noticed that stuff, I was waiting for something to install and watching TV, so I was doing 3 things at once o.O.

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's hailing quite hard outside and we have the tornado sirens blaring so I'm going to go stand by the window and see if I need to take cover.

There's a difference between being skeptical and being a prick. Even after the guy provided proof of him donating (even though he neither had to donate, nor provide proof), you still tried to find a way to show he was "lying". That's just outright being a prick, not being skeptical.