*Takes hit off a blunt* You fckn druggies!
*Takes hit off a blunt* You fckn druggies!
Word.Originally Posted by jMerliN
weed - legit ofc
hash - what weed wishes it will one day become 5/5
salvia - some love it, I kinda hated it
shrooms - highly recommend, great with video games.
opium - meh, wouldn't pay for it
acid - like shrooms except synthetic and milder.
ecstasy - dangerous garbage, strongly discourage use.
cocaine - stimulating effect, expensive & overrated, not worth the risk.
my 2 cents:
stick with your naturally-occurring entheogens that don't involve chemical processing, suchas weed, shrooms, ayahuasca, peyote.
Last edited by llhlhljh; 31-08-10 at 12:17 PM.
eh, weed is the best, even better than alcohol
You're pretty much on the money but I disagree with these. Ecstasy is a very safe drug, and LSD is definitely more visually intense than shrooms.
will have to disagree with you, ectasy isnt a safe drugs, the fact that doesnt give the peron who uses a physical addiction is just one thing, but every time you consume it, you can suffer from arritmia, hipertermina, dehadration(and if you had investiated about it, this dehadration can result in a state almost similar to celular destruction), convulsions, psicosis, paranoia, depression(that can last several days)muscular pain and others... while when u ingest mooshrooms it effect will only last while its in your system and when it goes out there wont be anything left behind. the lsd-mooshrooms comparison depends a lot in amount of drops that the acid you are taking have, a 2 drop wont do much but make u feel like drunked and highed(from weed) mixed, a 3 drop will start make ur head trick you and a 4 drop can derivate in alusinations, while mushrooms have all kinds of effects on you, just depends on wich one you want. but most of them have high alusinative effects, or thats only 1 of the multiple things it can make you feel.
lol..
weed - its shit
pills - its shit
mushys - its shit
acid - its shit
nangs - its shit
cocaine - its shit
alcohol - win
Err the fact that you can die simply by ingesting 2 extra pills would most definitely make ecstasy UNSAFE.
yes ecstasy is fucking dirty.
Weed and Acid. I got really belligerent on Acid and liked to mess with other people (my friends) who were on it.
What the hell are you talking about? People like you are the reason drug policy is so fucked up.
"Not only are MDMA related cases a small percentage of all drug-related emergency room visits, but a large percentage of MDMA cases are not life-threatening. In a recent study conducted by the physicians in the Emergency Department of Bellevue, (Rella, Int J Med Toxicol 2000; 3(5): 28) regional hospital ecstasy cases phoned into the New York City poison control center were analyzed. There were 191 cases reported during the years 1993 to 1999 inclusive. This is a rate of fewer than thirty cases per year. 139 cases (73%) were mild and experienced minor or no toxicity. The most commonly reported symptoms were increased heart rate (22%), agitation (19%), and nausea and vomiting (12%). In these seven years, only one ecstasy-related death was reported, which was due to hyperthermia, or overheating. Ecstasy is simply not the "killer drug" the media would like us to believe."
Julie Holland, MDMA (Ecstasy), Sentencing Commission
edit: as for acid, potency varies greatly from batch to batch. The last stuff I picked up was some awesome one-tab-one-trip stuff, which is pretty rare these days, especially from random rudeboys at raves.
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 07-09-10 at 02:00 PM.
Those statistics mean nothing at all to this discussion, nor are they relevant.What the hell are you talking about? People like you are the reason drug policy is so fucked up.
"Not only are MDMA related cases a small percentage of all drug-related emergency room visits, but a large percentage of MDMA cases are not life-threatening. In a recent study conducted by the physicians in the Emergency Department of Bellevue, (Rella, Int J Med Toxicol 2000; 3(5): 28) regional hospital ecstasy cases phoned into the New York City poison control center were analyzed. There were 191 cases reported during the years 1993 to 1999 inclusive. This is a rate of fewer than thirty cases per year. 139 cases (73%) were mild and experienced minor or no toxicity. The most commonly reported symptoms were increased heart rate (22%), agitation (19%), and nausea and vomiting (12%). In these seven years, only one ecstasy-related death was reported, which was due to hyperthermia, or overheating. Ecstasy is simply not the "killer drug" the media would like us to believe."
Julie Holland, MDMA (Ecstasy), Sentencing Commission
The fact remains, if you overdose on ecstasy, you CAN die. Kurt may remember a case which happened last year - a girl died at the Big Day Out festival because she had 2 ecstasy pills that she swallowed so security wouldn't find them. She died because of it. Due to this incident, they have decided to provide "sin bins" at venues for you to dispose of contraband without the fear of getting in trouble.
A very close friend of mine just got out of rehab after almost dying from an ecstasy overdose, and he only had 1 extra pill. A small overdose can prove lethal, so yes i consider it to be VERY unsafe.
I will be the first to admit, the media has gone way overboard on alienating many safe recreational drugs. But ecstasy simply is not one of them, and you're a fool if you believe otherwise.
No, you're a fool for basing your opinion on anecdotal evidence and one (1) fucking freak incident instead of hard figures and the testimonies of drug experts. If you don't think those statistics are relevant then you must be completely stupid or something because they quite obviously are. Also it is physically impossible to overdose on two pills of MDMA. The lethal dose of is far, far too high to be compressed into such a small amount. Obviously she just had some shit pills from a shit dealer, or was allergic, or mixed them with too much alcohol. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if her pills contained everything but MDMA. And what the hell is an 'extra pill'? When do pills start becoming 'extra'? It's not like they come in bottles with recommended dosages written on them lol. As for this:
"The fact remains, if you overdose on ecstasy, you CAN die"
Well fucking duh, that's what an overdose is. And you can OD on anything. Ecstasy is actually one of the harder drugs to OD on, with the lethal dose being significantly higher than the active dose.
As far as media demonization of drugs goes, ecstasy is by far the most disproportionately targeted. In fact, this is exactly what prompted Professor David Nutt, the former chairman of the UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs to write this article, in which he demonstrates that while paracetamol related deaths were only reported one in every 250 times, and 1 in 3 times for speed, ecstasy related deaths were reported every single time. He also demonstrates the irony of how horse riding is more harmful than taking ecstasy. This guy is one of the foremost experts on drugs, by the way. It's a very interesting piece and I highly recommend reading it.
So, why is he the 'former' chairman? Well, he ended up being fired by the government over this issue. Thanks to media panic. In response, a large number of the remaining members of the drugs advisory council voluntarily resigned in protest. Why? Because they are the experts, and they knew he was right.
But yeah, well done buying into the hysteria and being wilfully ignorant to facts. Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure I've seen you telling people off on here for being unscientific about cannabis before. Now look at what you're doing. You are being a hypocrite.
P.S Feel free to get in touch with Prof. Nutt and tell him that he is a 'fool'. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 07-09-10 at 02:51 PM.
And exactly what are the chances of you receiving a 100% pure pill of ecstasy? It's mixed with so much shit that you really have no idea what you are getting with street level ecstasy, hence why it's dangerous.
Like i said before, those statistics are irrelevant to this argument.
Lets say you're going to a rave and you take 2 pills of ecstasy. Taking 1 extra pill can lead to an overdose. That's what i mean, it is extremely easy to do. Can you do that with weed? Absolutely not. 1 extra cone won't do it. Hell, even smoking 1 extra stick won't do it. You'll have to smoke 1 extra pound, if not more, to overdose.
I have no idea why you're comparing it to paracetamol, I've witnessed a dumbass trying to kill themselves with 25 tablets of Panadol and the irony is that the only ill effect they suffered from was a headache.
My mate which i mentioned as having just left rehab used to take upwards of 20 dexamphatamines a night as well as ecstasy. He overdosed because he took 3 pills which he thought were dexies but were actually ecstasy. He usually only takes 2, and this was enough fr an overdose. Before you start pointing to external factors, no he was dead sober when he took them.
And hence why it should be legal. But I'm also going to point out that the studies above are not laboratory tests on pure MD. They're based on reports relating to general usage. So even considering impurities, ecstasy is still one of the overall safest drugs.
No they're not. This is an argument about the dangers of ecstasy. Those statistics are about the dangers of ecstasy. Seriously, are you completely fucking dense or what?Like i said before, those statistics are irrelevant to this argument.
I was talking about the inconsistencies in media coverage, which is something you brought up.I have no idea why you're comparing it to paracetamol, I've witnessed a dumbass trying to kill themselves with 25 tablets of Panadol and the irony is that the only ill effect they suffered from was a headache.
Yeah, and I know a guy who took acid once and it stayed in his spine and now he trips every time he cracks his back! And a guy who smoked weed ONCE, and is now schizophrenic! Yeah, I don't give a shit about anecdotal evidence. If anything is irrelevant to an informed discussion, it's this.My mate which i mentioned as having just left rehab used to take upwards of 20 dexamphatamines a night as well as ecstasy. He overdosed because he took 3 pills which he thought were dexies but were actually ecstasy. He usually only takes 2, and this was enough fr an overdose. Before you start pointing to external factors, no he was dead sober when he took them.
You've either deliberately ignored most of my points, or you've missed them entirely. You are basing your arguments on nothing, and it shows. Also, I want to briefly return to this:
"I will be the first to admit, the media has gone way overboard on alienating many safe recreational drugs. But ecstasy simply is not one of them, and you're a fool if you believe otherwise."
Here is Professor David Nutt's email address. He still lectures and researches at Imperial College London, one of the most highly regarded scientific institutions in the world. Read the article I linked, then contact him, and tell him he is a fool:
d.nutt@imperial.ac.uk
Do it. I'm completely serious.
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 07-09-10 at 03:24 PM.
Hey look, here are some more 'totally irrelevant' statistics for you to consider:
"Between 1988 and 1997, some 50-100 deaths have been connected to Ecstasy use in the UK. The current rate is 7 deaths per million users per year.
On the other hand, US figures are much lower, with only one death per million users. This is largely due to the enduring preference for warehouse or outdoor parties rather than hot packed-out nightclubs. Most Ecstasy-related deaths are related to alcohol-consumption and overheating, and there is less of a booze culture among American kids."
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/dangers.htm
"Let's start by taking a cold-hearted look at the statistics. There are claimed to be 500,000 weekly users of Ecstasy, and so with 30 Ecstasy- related deaths per year that's around one death per million uses."
-David Spiegelhalter, Winton Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk at Cambridge University
230 miles in a car equates to one micromort | David Spiegelhalter - Times Online
This compares to 650 deaths in every million alcohol users. And RIGHT NOW, you have a 1 in 26,000 chance of being killed in an accident IN YOUR OWN HOME.
Ecstasy: the killer drug!
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 07-09-10 at 11:41 PM.
I refuse to continue this argument with you. Every single subject which arises, you barge in and start throwing statistics everywhere. They may have everything to do with the subject, but they still remain absolutely irrelevant to the point which is being made.
Sorry, but statistics don't mean shit in the real world.
I don't care if the chances of me being struck by lightning is 580000 to 1, in the real world there are people who have been struck by lightning 3 or more consecutive times. I have not read any of the things you have linked, nor do i have any intention of doing so. I know for a fact, from my own personal experiences, that ecstasy is dangerous. This has nothing to do with the media or any other external influence, but my personal experiences alone. I have seen what it can do, I've seen what it has done, so there are no statistics or articles that you can give me which can convince me otherwise.
Statistics are formed from an average of reported cases. Most cases aren't reported simply because admitting to using that substance would get you arrested or in trouble from your family or whatever else the case may be. Other than that, the studies alone are flawed because they use submitted data from drug users and junkies. Yea of all the places, i consider those to be the most reliable sources of information!
Time and time again you prove an intolerance to anything which isn't set in stone, and a shockingly closed minded attitude. I hope one of these days life throws something your way which you find statistically impossible. Lets see how you handle it then.
So I'm guessing you never go outside in a thunderstorm, then?
I've seen somebody get hit by a car while crossing the road but I do not consider crossing the road to be a dangerous activity, despite the chance of death that comes with each crossing. Imagine if I did, it would be ridiculous right?
You know when religious people are like "I don't NEED to read Darwin to know he's wrong, I ALREADY know he's wrong because I see GOD in the faces of every child!"? That's you right now.
These are statistics of deaths per million users. Are you seriously arguing that DEATHS are going unreported because the victims didn't want mummy and daddy to find out they were on E? What, did their friends slip the pathologist a tenner and tell them to keep quiet? Did they dump the body in a canal so nobody would know their shameful secret?Statistics are formed from an average of reported cases. Most cases aren't reported simply because admitting to using that substance would get you arrested or in trouble from your family or whatever else the case may be. Other than that, the studies alone are flawed because they use submitted data from drug users and junkies. Yea of all the places, i consider those to be the most reliable sources of information!
And seriously, the 'LOL DRUGGIES' defence? Not even worth considering, especially since you're a drug user yourself.
Time and time again you prove an intolerance to anything which isn't set in stone, and a shockingly closed minded attitude. I hope one of these days life throws something your way which you find statistically impossible. Lets see how you handle it then.
I don't think ecstasy deaths are impossible. I'm just pointing out that there are many everyday activities that are significantly more likely to kill you than taking a pill and yet are not considered 'dangerous'. It's a massive double standard, and people go to jail for it.
You think that because you've seen a couple of freak incidents, expert opinion becomes 'irrelevant'. You constantly claim to be rational and scientific when dealing with religious people etc, but you place anecdotal evidence above scientific research as long as its convenient for you to do so. You use drugs yourself, but you dismiss evidence 'because it comes from druggies' (even though it doesn't).
I'm willing to accept that ecstasy is dangerous, as long as you present some substantiated evidence that it is. On the other hand, earlier in your post, you openly refused to even look at conflicting evidence, and you literally said that nothing can convince you to change your view. And now you're calling me closed minded. I mean, wow, you're the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. And everyone here can see it.
Also, did you email Professor Nutt yet?
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 08-09-10 at 02:57 PM.
Many countries will jail you just for being under the effects of an illegal substance; ie if you end up in the hospital for OD'ing, they WILL arrest you. So no, to some admitting what it is simply isn't worth it.
Taking drugs doesn't make me a druggie. In the same way that drinking 2 beers a month doesn't make me an alcoholic.
No, it is not a double standard. If you can SHOW me that it's not dangerous then i will change my views. I said there's nothing you can say and there's no article you can link to which will change my mind. There's a huge difference. I have SEEN the effects of it, so i have to SEE the argumentative evidence. Reading it means nothing.
Statistics always are and always will be flawed. There are so many factors which can alter the end results. But at the end of the day, they are simply a calculated average, and realistically shouldn't be used to measure anything. I could pick up a single die and roll is 20 times; Now statistically, i only have a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 6, but i could realistically roll a 6 every single time. Does that make the statistic wrong or does it affect the statistic in any possible way? No, it is still 1 in 6.
Now the most ironic thing is that I'm stoned off my ass right now so I'm not sure if this even made sense, but it did in my head, and that's all that matters!
The UK is not one of these countries and neither is the US. It is not legal to take action against somebody who has gone to hospital for an overdose, for exactly this reason.
hahahahaha. So the only way you will change your mind is if I prove the statistics are right by gathering one million people, arranging them in front of you, getting them all to take ecstasy, and then counting how many of them die?No, it is not a double standard. If you can SHOW me that it's not dangerous then i will change my views. I said there's nothing you can say and there's no article you can link to which will change my mind. There's a huge difference. I have SEEN the effects of it, so i have to SEE the argumentative evidence. Reading it means nothing.
Do you apply the same thinking when you read a newspaper?
"Oh look, it says here that an earthquake has killed thousands of people in Asia"
"Bullshit! It didn't happen unless I saw it!"
You really are thick as pig shit, Rishwin, I hope you know that.
Uh yeah, in the same way that you can personally witness a one in a million overdose, but the chances are still one in a million. Thanks for proving my pointStatistics always are and always will be flawed. There are so many factors which can alter the end results. But at the end of the day, they are simply a calculated average, and realistically shouldn't be used to measure anything. I could pick up a single die and roll is 20 times; Now statistically, i only have a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 6, but i could realistically roll a 6 every single time. Does that make the statistic wrong or does it affect the statistic in any possible way? No, it is still 1 in 6.
Maybe you should stop. I once saw somebody smoke weed and they got addicted and they got schizophrenia. Don't give none of your fancy book learnin', I saw it happen, and therefore aaaagghhh fuck it i cant even pretend to be as stupid as you it hurts my headNow the most ironic thing is that I'm stoned off my ass right now so I'm not sure if this even made sense, but it did in my head, and that's all that matters!
Last edited by troublemaker1111; 08-09-10 at 04:22 PM.
Ive tryed alcohol and cocaine
tried cannabis a few months ago i still have a bit on my stash
Come on you guys, can't we have a nice happy drug conversation without walloftext battle? xD
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