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Originally Posted by
exclamatio
So I'm faced with the following,
(stats dont include infractions)
Rotana
2012 logged actions since August '08
Been a mod the longest
Been a member the longest
As a mod theo I'm sure you'd be great but Ragezone has been built on the free sharing of files to everybody. Did you buy everything you needed from Maiet? Did you create the game? I think you should be a lot more humble. Private servers have always and will always be "underground" we must work together and share what we have. We most definately shouldn't be fighting each other, attacking anothers server in my mind is one of the worst things you can do.
Rotana is the longest standing mod and I've been able to build a level of trust with him. He is far more active than he gets credit for and that is what being a mod entails.
What choice would you pick? ;)
Also if you think for a second my actions here or with any moderator on the team is based on "who I'm friends with" then you are mistaken. I have removed friends from sections before, even personal friends have been taken away from a section if I genuinley thought they were having a bad influence.
It's a case of what is best for the section and in turn what is going to help future development continue. I can see the pride you have in yourself and in your work and pride can be good! Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green? If so then your pride is the bad type :P
Notice, since 08, check how much he has been around since I was a moderator. Now to continue onward, the ONLY time I attacked was a result in them spamming my site. It was the only way I could get them to stop.
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Has said he wont be sharing his developments
The emulator is not open-source, a binary is going to be released (Look at the code I posted for further reason why it's not released). I understand that I keep my work private, but that is because I have to research a lot and I really don't want to spoon feed users the edits that make my server unique. My pride is fine, but my respect for the moderation team is very low as of these actions and the result they bring. Rotana has not been active at all and I was left to handle reports, spam, and advertising with no help at all. The reason why Dan even hired me in the first place was that Rotana and System32 weren't do anything and there was close to 15 threads of spamming and advertising. As I continue on with this, my only response to Rotana was calling him a hypocrite and reopening my thread since it was others asking questions about the development and myself responding. The result in me posting one private message was the usage for reply in this thread. I'm not here for publicity, I'm here to enhance and enrich others in the development of Gunz. I can agree that my source should be public, but if you look at the other projects you will notice no-one here can really commit to the project except for RoA, Guy, Lambda, and possibly PenguinGuy. Leaving it open-source will leave others to try to exploit and bring complaints to me to update the source ASAP.
I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but I'm not trying to be egotistical with this, but it's quite pathetic that I work hard since August and it's all removed due to small bickering (Two posts with little offensive material can get you fired now?). I hate to throw this wall of text on you, but I just feel less motivated to post my discussion with those who seek knowledge here knowing that the moderation team will be inactive again. I will admit to my wrong, all that I ask is that you give me a trial position and watch over what I do so you can be sure of what I do.
~Theoretical
Re: GunZ section update - please all members read
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Originally Posted by
exclamatio
All mods go through stages of being active and not. If you were refering the dev work, you dont need to be a mod for that ;)
Right, but you've offended us by treating us like children and repeatedly claiming we are inactive, when System32/Rotana have less than 1 mod action a day - uh, what the hell?
We can still contribute, but, from the way you're acting toward us, what's the point?
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Originally Posted by
phoenix_147
Well yeah Phail did a lot of stuff. Agreed. But Guy has just been nothing more than a critic.
Nothing but a critic? http://forum.ragezone.com/search.php...&starteronly=1
25 threads, each filled with a unique contribution.
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Originally Posted by
Kreain
Rotana just makes front of everybody, does nothing to help and has done near nothing ever since 2007
Well said.
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Originally Posted by
phoenix_147
Thanks a lot exclamtio. We really really needed this. Mods like Phail / gwx0 never looked into spam threads, threads with abusers, threads posted in the wrong section. Phail atleast showed us his developments and kept us moving but gwx0 simply criticized things. I hope this will make a brighter change in the community. Once a again, thanks.
Yes, we're busy, but we still go through reports, and do what we can.
On me "just being a critic" - yet again, look here for a list of contributions I made specifically on RageZone.
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That is completely improfessional
It is completely unprofessional - he told Theoretical, publically, "do your job", yet when we both respond, we're stripped of all rights without as much as a single PM?
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Guy is straight out of mod for now, he has the least activity and I've known him for the shortest period of time. I didn't approve of a deal of his posts I saw but I'm sure in the future if I see character change I'd love to have him back. Of course if that's what he wants too.
Not really - as I told you in the PM, I was given mod by MentaL for my help by securing the entire community board against a future attack - I haven't abused it, I've cleaned up when I can, and I still contribute. Therefore, why should it be removed? It was an award.
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Do you have less self worth or less motivation to continue working on the game because your screen name isn't green?
No - but the way I had my mod removed, after I continued to help out the community is a complete and utter disgrace. You continually state we need to keep this private, then you and Theoretical are discussing the removal publically in front of the whole bloody forum!
My mod was given for another reason, I may be somewhat inactive, but I earned it, therefore, I deserve to keep it.
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Well, I've been complaining about both a lot but Phail changed alot and did the most things for Gunz development.
I see why he doesn't want his work to go public since most of us don't come close to him with programming skills.
It's sad to see a good moderator getting fired for something as little as that.
He has been working on Gunz since 2005 as far as I know and had a major influence on what we have today.
He's the person who used ASM for Gunz, made custom commands and dozens of more things we can't go without these days.
That Guy got fired is understandable, he was abusing powers and thought his opinion was more worth then a opinion from someone else.
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Wow, good job!
Ego's getting Pwned Now.
NO MORE HATERZ. YAY. =P
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Originally Posted by
KillerStefan
That Guy got fired is understandable, he was abusing powers and thought his opinion was more worth then a opinion from someone else.
Judgment is something a moderator is trusted with - I judged one thread would only be lead to spam, thus, it was closed.
My moderator was not removed for that - it was removed for how I responded to Rotana and Theoretical's bickering.
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The reasons why Theoretical will keep his source private is clear, people with bad intentions and poor coding skills could easily get down his emulator, whereas with closed source, it would require more rce skills, and I think that those who have it here won't get it down simply because we are smart enough no to do it and see the benefits of this project, I never really talk to Theoretical nor Guy, but I have to say that I support them, and think they do not deserve your blame.
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WTFLUX?? Firing Theoretical? You nuts? He is the best mod the gunz section could imagine He actually knows something about gunz instead of 70% here... Guy is a great guy don't listen to stefan if they got problems with each other this hasn't anyhting to do with with this situation.. and wel about theoretical he helps people with questions wich aren't in tuts etc + He actually is active + he keeps the gunz section clean..
My opinion: ARE YOU NUTS?
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When I first came to this section in late '08, I never seen Triumph or Old Dandune. System32 hasn't been doing much either, nor has Rotana. (From the posts I've been seeing, as for mod. actions I can't say.) Guy and Theoretical has been keeping a good eye on this section but you can't expect them to spend more time here than on their own life. If these kids can't handle a little criticism, how do you expect them to run a server?
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the question comes down to not how much/ the quality of the modding skills, but the ability to manage the forums.
on that point, since the hiring of phail and guy, the forums have seen a remarkable decrease in useless spam.... before then we used to see the mods acting upon spam once a month... in regard to the bickering, rotana should have had this conversation in msn not the public forum. Guy and phail's complaint about this should have been duly noted and looked into instead of them being removed from the mod team.
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It's a shame, really.
Jacob was active when he could be and was a helper to most GunZ developers, him leaving ragezone would leave many developers clueless, and unable to learn. Phail was always open to questions, and he actually changed, that stuff about him attacking pserver is utter bullshit, though I must admit, I was upset when I found out Jacob has released a bot that closes matchserver, it basically defeated the point of GunZ private servers and forced everybody to join his own, LegacyGamers. I would prefer him to stay as a moderator, though he should help out people requesting it.
Guy, I hated him to begin with, he was even the reason that I left ragezone for 2 months, but I started liking him, and appreciating his posts more, he was posting ALLOT in the release/development section when he first joined, but he seems to be posting less, what's happened, man ?
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you guys are fucking lame, even tho phail doesnt like me i still say he should stay as a mod, he did a great job and now thats the shit he gets? only him cant do all the work come on rotana and the other hoe didnt do jack shit and stayed for a fuckign year, iam leaving this shit is getting unfair.
bye bye have fun
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Originally Posted by
death4u2
you guys are fucking lame, even tho phail doesnt like me i still say he should stay as a mod, he did a great job and now thats the shit he gets? only him cant do all the work come on rotana and the other hoe didnt do jack shit and stayed for a fuckign year, iam leaving this shit is getting unfair.
bye bye have fun
I am getting the same feelings.... i already was thinking to leave this ego/leech/beg zone
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Re: GunZ section update - please all members read
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Originally Posted by
exclamatio
I have all mod stats from 2003
hey sup, its 2009 not 2003.
Rotana - cool guy, quit but came back cause no mod was active. But now hes just inactive himself and shouldn't be staff. Only keeping him cause hes been here the longest is retarded, especially if he doesn't do shit.
System32 - i've seen post a couple times, but usually not that helpful/contributing. Just random stuff.
Phail/Theo - Did alot of work, got rid of alot of spam, delete stolen work/etc. He contributes pretty much the most in gunz community and he knows what hes talking about, so hes fit to mod gunz (unlike people who have no idea what to do)
Guy - no opinion.
Im all for change in this section, but getting rid of the most active mod who does the most is just plain stupid.
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well since im new here..
all i can say is..
Attacking other people server is bad. bad bad bad. This kind of action only taken by desperate and unmoral type of person. To be honest I hate this type of people. The one that enjoy seeing other people misery,That sound pathetic isn't it?but everyone deserve a second chance.
Anyway do u guys get payed being a Mod? why is it so important?Status?
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Originally Posted by
xgosu
well since im new here..
all i can say is..
Attacking other people server is bad. bad bad bad. This kind of action only taken by desperate and unmoral type of person. To be honest I hate this type of people. The one that enjoy seeing other people misery,That sound pathetic isn't it?but everyone deserve a second chance.
Anyway do u guys get payed being a Mod? why is it so important?Status?
Dude stay the hell out if you don't know what's going on,Theo stop attacking servers,but yet rumors are still going around that he does. Please read the thread ^^
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Originally Posted by
Nova
Guy, I hated him to begin with, he was even the reason that I left ragezone for 2 months, but I started liking him, and appreciating his posts more, he was posting ALLOT in the release/development section when he first joined, but he seems to be posting less, what's happened, man ?
Football just ended, now I'm a varsity wrestler; I try to squeeze in as much time as I can on projects, but, time for less projects means time for less contributions, etc. But, since we've gotten through the largest tournaments for wrestling, that frees up a few hours for me each weekend.
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Originally Posted by
PenguinGuy
Seriously - even if I don't get my mod back, the action being taken is just bad for the section overall.
My vote is to keep it the way it was.
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It's funny how people where complaining a lot and when shit happens they all go like ooh noes hire them back.
The demoting of Phail is unfair yes but come on, we all saw the ego thread and several people in this thread now posting about how unfair it is where the ones starting some discussions about why they even where moderator in the first place.
Don't get me wrong Phail and Guy know a lot about the things they do, way more then 90% of us.
My issue with Guy has nothing to do with me thinking hes a bad mod but we all saw he didn't set the right example.
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haha this is very unexpected, but i knew something like this would happen sometime or later on in date, exclamatio has a "More" interest in GunZ now since RageZone GunZ has been released, which is a good thing of cause, but yea, its gone a bit weird in this section now. D:
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just to clear up some shit
i aint a gunz mod, if you look at it i do have a pretty shitty color other then a mod, i mod all dev sections inside ragezone and a few more...
still question is i am banning who now?
on the mods.
I do tend to agree with most what was written here from both parties.
If it would be up to me i would of have demodded all 4 mods as it is. no exceptions.
Guy i got really no comment on you i do not know you have not followed you.
system32 pretty much inactive in the last 3-4 months
Rotana same
theo i have got around 10 reports a week abt you behaving like an ass towards users, i did not care so far, but when others notice too, not just avg members it tends to get to be a problem for the mod himself
i do not care who leaks what, who hacks whos server, or who ddosses the ++++ out of another person, for me what counts is that the section should be clean and the mods should be a role model for the users. show them they can act, be respectfull and know their stuff
bahh 3 am almost need sleep...
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Originally Posted by
TriumpH
theo i have got around 10 reports a week abt you behaving like an ass towards users, i did not care so far, but when others notice too, not just avg members it tends to get to be a problem for the mod himself
How do you get this if I haven't posted quite as often as I used to? Where have I actually been an "ass" when I'm helpful as hell to people. I mean honestly, I hear I get reported yet no one contacts me to let me know I've done something wrong or at least to tell me to lighten down? Heh, k.
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Originally Posted by
TriumpH
just to clear up some shit
i aint a gunz mod, if you look at it i do have a pretty shitty color other then a mod, i mod all dev sections inside ragezone and a few more...
still question is i am banning who now?
on the mods.
I do tend to agree with most what was written here from both parties.
If it would be up to me i would of have demodded all 4 mods as it is. no exceptions.
Guy i got really no comment on you i do not know you have not followed you.
system32 pretty much inactive in the last 3-4 months
Rotana same
theo i have got around 10 reports a week abt you behaving like an ass towards users, i did not care so far, but when others notice too, not just avg members it tends to get to be a problem for the mod himself
i do not care who leaks what, who hacks whos server, or who ddosses the ++++ out of another person, for me what counts is that the section should be clean and the mods should be a role model for the users. show them they can act, be respectfull and know their stuff
bahh 3 am almost need sleep...
thats why i didn't mention you, you and Dandune aren't specific mods here.
anyways, Phails actually been doing good, so I wouldn't really say hes been an ass.
but for the most part I do agree with you.
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Originally Posted by
TriumpH
Guy i got really no comment on you i do not know you have not followed you.
I've been to every mod meeting since I've been a mod (I think we actually met at the meeting held on Halloween..)
