Leeching Theory

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    Enthusiast Kmod is offline
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    Leeching Theory

    Well, to be honest, in my opinion, whatever brought anyone here or to a
    point where gunz development became an interest was out of curiosity and
    a desire to learn more as well as a level of innocence with no real intention to get into the politics of the whole scene. It's basically, for the most part a hobby at first, and for most of us, it pretty much stays that way.

    Whereas with others, when they get more experienced and such, they desire to take it to the next step, and that's where the money factor comes in. It all changes when you begin to accept donations for your private server.

    As far as leeching goes. I believe it all comes down to reputation.
    If you don't care about respect and such then it doesn't bother you
    personally that people are talking about you and think you don't know
    what your doing.

    But, the only way something is leeched is only if it's released somewhere at some point.
    If you don't want others to use the files you manipulated and leeched yourself and when I say you I mean it in general.
    But, you'd have to be an idiot to not know that if you release something on the INTERNET, you have to know that
    someone is going to find it, and if they find it useful then its some form of knowledge. And they will use it and why not use it. It's not fair to release something, then say well, only these people can use it, and the rest are leechers.
    But, thats something I had to learn and realize myself.


    Anyways, if it bothers you then you'll take that extra step and time to make sure that no one can say anything about the files you have because you know for a fact that you did the work involved and therefor you have the integrity and pride in your work.

    As far as the server files go, I personally don't think it's fair to
    limit the files to a certain group or certain private servers.
    Because that tends to break down the moral and enthusiasm of the development community because it's an example of greed in a sense.

    So then, if only say one or two servers are allowed to have access to
    the files and use them while at the same time they are taking donations, then in a sense, it starts to become a monopoly. For example, the two servers are monopolizing on the fact that they have those files, they control who has the files, and they are collecting monies, then yes, they are monopolizing on that fact.

    And I think when it gets to that point, it causes problems, whether its obvious or not, it definitely effects the development community in one way or another.

    So then, if Stephen has the files and isn't monetizing off of them, then he really has nothing to loose. I believe he will make the right decision with the files. And do the right thing.
    Who matters more to him, the people who have the files already, or the community in whole who are being deprived of those files. Ultimately, the owner of the files is Maiet. And I personally believe, that Maiet would rather have them released to the whole community rather than have
    a couple of servers be selfish with them while at the same time possibly profiting off of them, which would make sense as to why Stephen is feeling pressured. But I think he'll do the right thing, because he's a good person.

    And in the end, the real people who have to bite the bullet is Maiet. And they tend to be forgiving for the most part.
    But I just have a gut feeling that their view of the whole matter is this....Either no one has the files. Or everyone has the files.

    I mean we could be using those files to create and be inspired to create things that might even influence Maiet to
    use some of those ideas to make the game better. That's my intention in this whole scene. which is to impress Maiet.
    I mean I've often heard here and there, Maiet scratching their heads and asking, well what could we do to make GunZ better
    and stuff. And that's where the development community comes in and why it's important to work together.


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    Ninja Goblin HellSniper is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kmod View Post
    I mean we could be using those files to create and be inspired to create things that might even influence Maiet to
    use some of those ideas to make the game better.
    I dont realy think that Maiet Watches the Gunz Dev Scene too much.
    They rather take opinions from the players i guess.
    But Donation items just suck, kills the Game in my opinion, we huh.
    But Nice post and interessting thoughts.

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    Alpha Member gregon13 is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by HellSniper View Post
    I dont realy think that Maiet Watches the Gunz Dev Scene too much.
    They rather take opinions from the players i guess.
    But Donation items just suck, kills the Game in my opinion, we huh.
    But Nice post and interessting thoughts.
    I doubt that MAIET watches the Dev scene as well, How ever there player base does. Very nice post hopefully Guy doesn't come in and close this, He comes off as quite a prick from time to time and whats worse hes a prick with power.

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    (。◕‿‿◕。) Nobody666 is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    I doubt MAIET wants there files released.

    If they did they wouldn't change it up to make it harder for us.

    They'd rather have 1 person have files i believe, if they make money more then anyone else just shut them down.

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    Sharing is caring KillerStefan is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Very nice post Kat

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    Re: Leeching Theory

    I just pressed the button of love

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    Intelligent DoucheBag jur13n is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    you took many time in this right?

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    Mako is insane. ThePhailure772 is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    tl;dr. Where's the lazy version?

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    (。◕‿‿◕。) Nobody666 is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Theoretical View Post
    tl;dr. Where's the lazy version?
    MAIET wants people to have there files so not one server will make more money then the other. And if we have them MAIET will take our ideas we change in the client.

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    Account Upgraded | Title Enabled! Guy is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    I guess this is a better wording for the discussion; though, avoid discussing the semantics and definition of leeching, as that is not opinion, but, for the most part, a sort-of fact or inert truth.

    This will be left open for now.

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    RageZone GunZ | Ex-Owner Ricky Blaze is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kmod View Post
    Well, to be honest, in my opinion, whatever brought anyone here or to a
    point where gunz development became an interest was out of curiosity and
    a desire to learn more as well as a level of innocence with no real intention to get into the politics of the whole scene. It's basically, for the most part a hobby at first, and for most of us, it pretty much stays that way.

    Whereas with others, when they get more experienced and such, they desire to take it to the next step, and that's where the money factor comes in. It all changes when you begin to accept donations for your private server.

    As far as leeching goes. I believe it all comes down to reputation.
    If you don't care about respect and such then it doesn't bother you
    personally that people are talking about you and think you don't know
    what your doing.

    But, the only way something is leeched is only if it's released somewhere at some point.
    If you don't want others to use the files you manipulated and leeched yourself and when I say you I mean it in general.
    But, you'd have to be an idiot to not know that if you release something on the INTERNET, you have to know that
    someone is going to find it, and if they find it useful then its some form of knowledge. And they will use it and why not use it. It's not fair to release something, then say well, only these people can use it, and the rest are leechers.
    But, thats something I had to learn and realize myself.


    Anyways, if it bothers you then you'll take that extra step and time to make sure that no one can say anything about the files you have because you know for a fact that you did the work involved and therefor you have the integrity and pride in your work.

    As far as the server files go, I personally don't think it's fair to
    limit the files to a certain group or certain private servers.
    Because that tends to break down the moral and enthusiasm of the development community because it's an example of greed in a sense.

    So then, if only say one or two servers are allowed to have access to
    the files and use them while at the same time they are taking donations, then in a sense, it starts to become a monopoly. For example, the two servers are monopolizing on the fact that they have those files, they control who has the files, and they are collecting monies, then yes, they are monopolizing on that fact.

    And I think when it gets to that point, it causes problems, whether its obvious or not, it definitely effects the development community in one way or another.

    So then, if Stephen has the files and isn't monetizing off of them, then he really has nothing to loose. I believe he will make the right decision with the files. And do the right thing.
    Who matters more to him, the people who have the files already, or the community in whole who are being deprived of those files. Ultimately, the owner of the files is Maiet. And I personally believe, that Maiet would rather have them released to the whole community rather than have
    a couple of servers be selfish with them while at the same time possibly profiting off of them, which would make sense as to why Stephen is feeling pressured. But I think he'll do the right thing, because he's a good person.

    And in the end, the real people who have to bite the bullet is Maiet. And they tend to be forgiving for the most part.
    But I just have a gut feeling that their view of the whole matter is this....Either no one has the files. Or everyone has the files.

    I mean we could be using those files to create and be inspired to create things that might even influence Maiet to
    use some of those ideas to make the game better. That's my intention in this whole scene. which is to impress Maiet.
    I mean I've often heard here and there, Maiet scratching their heads and asking, well what could we do to make GunZ better
    and stuff. And that's where the development community comes in and why it's important to work together.
    Well said, Kat FTW. Couldnt have said it better myself. =)

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    Member xgosu is offline
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    Re: Leeching Theory

    I have NOOO idea what you guys talking about ^-^

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    Re: Leeching Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by xgosu View Post
    I have NOOO idea what you guys talking about ^-^
    Then there is no need to spam.



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