What is leeching?

[KillerStefan]

Hello everyone,

I wonder what you all think about leeching and what leeching is in your opinion.
Is using MAIET material leeching or not? (2005 files, GAP, GAP Guide)
Are the files leaked from Level Up Brazil leeched? (2007 & 2008 files)
Is using client and/or server files from other servers leeching if used for development? (Phail's Gunz emulator using Gunz-Extreme client)

Please post your opinions on this.

- KillerStefan

EDIT: Reason for posting is that I heard different opinions about this in the last couple of days and I wonder what most you think.

[MentaL]

[Nobody666]

Granted, we do leech MAIETS files, we need to. But taking there files is leeching (dilemma, since alot of us are against leeching)

Taking files not released and releasing them without permission is leeching, wether you admit its not yours, or you claim its yours.


Stuff like that.

[KillerStefan]

Granted, we do leech MAIETS files, we need to. But taking there files is leeching (dilemma, since alot of us are against leeching)

Taking files not released and releasing them without permission is leeching, wether you admit its not yours, or you claim its yours.


Stuff like that.

Well, you called me a leecher when I was talking about the 2008 files but I never claimed those as my own creation.
If I released those I'm a leecher and if I hold on to them I'm selfish.
See how those things don't really go well?

[death4u2]

idk, i think leeching for me is like fucking downloading shit loadz of hax for example and using them, so its like ur too nub to make something so u just download it, but then why would it be released.

i dont really know what i think about leeching

[KillerStefan]

idk, i think leeching for me is like fucking downloading shit loadz of hax for example and using them, so its like ur too nub to make something so u just download it, but then why would it be released.

i dont really know what i think about leeching

We're discussing leeching in the Gunz pserver scene, not people who leech hacks but thanks for your input anyway.

[Nobody666]

Well, you called me a leecher when I was talking about the 2008 files but I never claimed those as my own creation.
If I released those I'm a leecher and if I hold on to them I'm selfish.
See how those things don't really go well?

thats the dilemma, taking there files is leeching, but its expected as its what were based on.

Point i made was you released there stuff, not your own.

Taking from ijji/MAIET/or any official gunz is ok I guess, but not from other developers/Pservers.

[PenguinGuys]

Taking one's work and distributing/showing off/etc. without consent of the author.

[KillerStefan]

thats the dilemma, taking there files is leeching, but its expected as its what were based on.

Point i made was you released there stuff, not your own.

Taking from ijji/MAIET/or any official gunz is ok I guess, but not from other developers/Pservers.

I agree with you on both things, I never released anything I made myself for Gunz.
I did a lot for my own pserver back then tho but I know that doesn't count as I said myself about Styx referring to his work at Trinity.
I admit that I have stuff from Trinity like their latest server files and TriviaBot but only to learn from it and I will not use things they made on my public server.
I have no problem with Phail using the old Gunz-Extreme client to get his emulator done since its for a good cause.
How many of us didn't use the LG files when they got released at first for development purposes, I even think you learned a lot from it (not sure).
The LG files made new things available for us which are seen on all major Gunz servers today.
I know that you're probably going to say that the LG files where released by Keith so that doesn't make it leeching but don't forget Wizkid reuploaded them and made a guide for it and that Keith couldn't go back anymore after his lets say ''emo moment''.
Ooh damn, I type too much.

[Nobody666]

I agree with you on both things, I never released anything I made myself for Gunz.
I did a lot for my own pserver back then tho but I know that doesn't count as I said myself about Styx referring to his work at Trinity.
I admit that I have stuff from Trinity like their latest server files and TriviaBot but only to learn from it and I will not use things they made on my public server.
I have no problem with Phail using the old Gunz-Extreme client to get his emulator done since its for a good cause.
How many of us didn't use the LG files when they got released at first for development purposes, I even think you learned a lot from it (not sure).
The LG files made new things available for us which are seen on all major Gunz servers today.
I know that you're probably going to say that the LG files where released by Keith so that doesn't make it leeching but don't forget Wizkid reuploaded them and made a guide for it and that Keith couldn't go back anymore after his lets say ''emo moment''.
Ooh damn, I type too much.

I actually never really touched the LG files. The only runnable I learned from was GunZ2830's.

Only time I touched the LG runnable was the first time around that Peter made legend and...oh yea the like...10 minutes(?) I actually did play legacy.

and he did release them so yea id say its ok to make a guide. Besides it was the old version if I remember correctly.

[xgemini]

Just release the god damn shit and no one will be mad.

[PenguinGuys]

Just release the god damn shit and no one will be mad.

I could see how Killer releasing the files be considered leaching.
He got it from a source, the source told him not to give the files out to anyone else.
Killer agreed to not release the files, in exchange he gets the files. The only thing in those files that could be of any interest to anyone is the .mef and a few other modifications MAIET may have done to it.

[MAXTRAXv3]

eh leaching is takeing with giveing back

(E.G. downloading a p2p(like a torrent) downloading but not uploading(or seeding if ya like))

i dont understand why you would refer to it here "we have to take to make"

[Phoenix]

Well, you called me a leecher when I was talking about the 2008 files but I never claimed those as my own creation.
If I released those I'm a leecher and if I hold on to them I'm selfish.
See how those things don't really go well?

Well releasing them wouldn't make you a leecher because development of GunZ private server's started because MAIET exists. Also, people are called leechers on this community at least when one releases the work of another user of the community who wished to keep them private. There's no one from MAIET to whine out here :P. And MAIET is the main source of Gunz development. What is done by the members of the community is just by ideas drawn from that game. So I don't see any fault in MAIET stuff being released.

Like you see the 2007 files. No one has ever called RoA or System32 a leecher. Everyone's happy as they can run their own servers. So this is definitely not leeching.

And also, I'm not saying that leeching is really leeching if people are happy or unhappy. It's just that MAIET's the main source and people want things from it to run better servers.

[death4u2]

We're discussing leeching in the Gunz pserver scene, not people who leech hacks but thanks for your input anyway.

i said for example

[V_o_o_d_o_o]

Leeching is taking credit for making something that you didn't make.

Leaking is giving something out that the maker said you're not supposed to.

Using MAIET's material is not leeching unless we take credit for it.

[cerealnp]

Of course it's leeching, if it wasn't leeched, people won't be doing emulators. I have the opinion that if MAIET couldn't mantain their files private, the problem is theirs if we're using the files.

[V_o_o_d_o_o]

Of course it's leeching, if it wasn't leeched, people won't be doing emulators. I have the opinion that if MAIET couldn't mantain their files private, the problem is theirs if we're using the files.

But if we don't take credit for the making of MAIET's files it's not leeching...

[taurias]

well heres one of the dilemmas that make all of us hypocrites...
i define leeching as using some1s elses stuff without their permission and not modifying it in anyway...
but heres something to consider:
if we take server files + the models and quests from maiet then every1 says hurrah, but if we take the models/quests from other private servers then every1 thinks ure a leecher....

[Phoenix]

well heres one of the dilemmas that make all of us hypocrites...
i define leeching as using some1s elses stuff without their permission and not modifying it in anyway...
but heres something to consider:
if we take server files + the models and quests from maiet then every1 says hurrah, but if we take the models/quests from other private servers then every1 thinks ure a leecher....

Yes like I said above. We belong to the same community and if stuff like this happens, it will make many of us angry . There is no one from MAIET to whine about it to us since they're not able to maintain their files and keep them completely private.
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[Guy]

What is the point in discussing this? People are illegally using stolen files - who cares what it's labeled as?

Closed.

[KillerStefan]

What is the point in discussing this? People are illegally using stolen files - who cares what it's labeled as?

Closed.

This is a community disscusion so I reopened the thread, not based on only what you think.

[RodiSR]

What is the point in discussing this? People are illegally using stolen files - who cares what it's labeled as?

Closed.

If its not a point then you shoulden't ban or give other people infractions when they release stuff that can help the Gunz "Community" to become better, And with that i mean like the eurogunz website, they can take a look at it and look how Lambda / Emisand coded it and can try their own sort of website but "No" when you say these things people get all mad and say its leeching, But if you moderators etc, Are looking in that direction why don't you ask yourself if its right using MAIET files? Because everything that is released here on ragezone "Gunz section" Are based on the MAIET files ? Then it would actually be better to Give Infractions / Ban to everyone that releases something about GunZ.

[Guy]

This is a community disscusion so I reopened the thread, not based on only what you think.

That's not opinion, that's fact that illegal files are used.

Re-open this thread again and it will be deleted, you being infracted.

EDIT:

If its not a point then you shoulden't ban or give other people infractions when they release stuff that can help the Gunz "Community" to become better, And with that i mean like the eurogunz website, they can take a look at it and look how Lambda / Emisand coded it and can try their own sort of website but "No" when you say these things people get all mad and say its leeching, But if you moderators etc, Are looking in that direction why don't you ask yourself if its right using MAIET files? Because everything that is released here on ragezone "Gunz section" Are based on the MAIET files ? Then it would actually be better to Give Infractions / Ban to everyone that releases something about GunZ.

You misinterpreted the very short, clear, and concise sentence: "People are illegally using stolen files - who cares what it's labeled as?"

Yup, what's being done is illegal, who gives a shit what we call it? (e.g. "Leeching")

I was threatening to infract for undoing my decision. Ripping off the work of others, changing it for their own use, is usually how the private server scene works. The RageZone staff sees that, and allows it.