e6700Originally Posted by yjlasher22
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go for intel always, have had phenoms before and quality is not the same, try an i7 and youll never have to upgrade cpu, atleast for a good amount of time.
Go with AMD because im sure Intel has yet to make a true six core yet either (Intel has never produced a true Quad core). Facts are facts. Also let me add to your intellectual thicket. If you go socket AM3 why not skip the six core and go with the biggest quad core AMD makes? The 965 Black Edition @ 3.4ghz which is only $169.99 now easily outperforms that i5.
=> CompUSA.com | HDZ965FBGMBOX | AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core CPU
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Also let me add many games support muli-cores, once again Rishwin is way behind the technological curve.
Last edited by Warmonger; 28-12-10 at 08:26 AM.
thanks for saying this. Amd 965 BE rocks at performance and price..Go with AMD because im sure Intel has yet to make a true six core yet either (Intel has never produced a true Quad core). Facts are facts. Also let me add to your intellectual thicket. If you go socket AM3 why not skip the six core and go with the biggest quad core AMD makes? The 965 Black Edition @ 3.4ghz which is only $169.99 now easily outperforms that i5.
=> CompUSA.com | HDZ965FBGMBOX | AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core CPU
edit: why not in newegg? 10 dollar cheaper there right now.
Last edited by Heights; 28-12-10 at 08:29 AM.
Warmonger, if you actually look at the charts one can see that the i5 performs better than the 1055 in most cases, including gaming and daily tasks like file compressions and in power consumption.
While it is true that there are games that are multi-threaded nowadays, the fact remains that the games aren't optimised. Plus most of the time it is the graphics card limiting the game, not the CPU.
Bottomline would be, if it is a general purpose machine (daily tasks>gaming), then go for the i5. If it is primarily a gaming machine (gaming>general tasks), then a phenom II X3 would suffice as evidenced by the article here:
How Many CPU Cores Do You Need? : Are We There Yet?
aye, tbh, go for a cheaper processor and get a better graphics card if you are gaming in my opinion.
The phenom always has outperformed the "i" series from Intel in gaming, except a very few cases. I think anyone can live with the fact of having more raw end power but very short extended waiting periods to do tasks. The i5 can convert movies, compress archives, etc faster then a AMD, but don't fall under my category of a good CPU. For sole number crunching Intel always has had the edge. But as for gaming Intel doesn't really aim to be superior in that matter since they are aimed for basic end desktop computing. Higher core clocks and bus rate is what provides smooth frame rates. And for what AMD has lacked in core frequency over the years they have made up with blazing fast data transfers (bus speed). Let alone point out the fact the i5 is not even a true quad core to begin with. The four cores are divided among two bus's unlike AMD's which have a bus for each core (true quad core). Don't believe benchmarks unless you have tried them yourself. My single core socket 939 Athlon 64 3800+ @ 2.4ghz can still push games like GTA 4 smoothly. In end ive seen more use out of a AMD die that can provide a little bit more of both worlds. In comparison the 965 will spank the i5 in most of its tasks due to it having way more raw end power. And costing the same due to such a great company. Intel has been stealing ideas from ever since they signed them on. Enough jibber jaber from meit would be crazy to not take a advantage of the pricing of that 965 compared to that i5. More bang for your buck. And also newegg is probably the better end option to buy from since its in contact with all the major manufactures, and provides very cheap 3 day shipping, if it comes broken RMA it. With what he saves on the CPU he can purchase 4gb more of ram to stack with what he already has/plan on buying.
Last edited by Warmonger; 28-12-10 at 11:04 AM.
phenom beats i series in l4d thats it ya so if you play l4d only go for amd and take warmongers advice buy a cheaper cpu and some cheap ram that will help you out a lot
None of that entire post is true. None at all.The phenom always has outperformed the "i" series from Intel in gaming, except a very few cases. I think anyone can live with the fact of having more raw end power but very short extended waiting periods to do tasks. The i5 can convert movies, compress archives, etc faster then a AMD, but don't fall under my category of a good CPU. For sole number crunching Intel always has had the edge. But as for gaming Intel doesn't really aim to be superior in that matter since they are aimed for basic end desktop computing. Higher core clocks and bus rate is what provides smooth frame rates. And for what AMD has lacked in core frequency over the years they have made up with blazing fast data transfers (bus speed). Let alone point out the fact the i5 is not even a true quad core to begin with. The four cores are divided among two bus's unlike AMD's which have a bus for each core (true quad core). Don't believe benchmarks unless you have tried them yourself. My single core socket 939 Athlon 64 3800+ @ 2.4ghz can still push games like GTA 4 smoothly. In end ive seen more use out of a AMD die that can provide a little bit more of both worlds. In comparison the 965 will spank the i5 in most of its tasks due to it having way more raw end power. And costing the same due to such a great company. Intel has been stealing ideas from ever since they signed them on. Enough jibber jaber from me
Intel has been leading for over 7 years now, AMD hasn't had anything better as far as value or performance is concerned since the first release of the Athlon 64.
Let me also point out that yes SOME i5's are in fact dual cores with hyper threading, but everything above the i5 750 IS an actual quad core. Sure low-end gaming is absolutely dominated by low-priced AMD setups, but that's all it is; a low-end setup.
Overclockers, performance enthusiasts and bechmarkers have been avoiding AMD like the black plague for quite a few years now, you really need to keep yourself up to speed. In fact, there is not a single AMD chip on the top 100 PCMark benchmark scores. That's as far as the general search would go, but i am willing to bet it's closer to 500.
I can tell you right now, my i5 760 will out-perform ANY consumer level AMD chip. That is not a challenge, that is a promise.
Last edited by Rishwin; 28-12-10 at 05:09 PM.
A good computer doesn't revolve around exactly what core you put into it. But more along the lines of the build itself entirely. He's on a budget from the looks of the choices of lower end processors.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
+
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
= $210
VS
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760
= $200
Obviously a lot of headroom there in comparison. A Phenom II that competes with the i7 975 Extreme. Or the i5 760 that doesn't even compare. Let alone a extra $10 bucks adds in a nice ram kit. Which is funny because the two components alone that ive suggested will outperform your current build in your CPU-Z validator. Irony at its finest.
A good computer doesn't revolve around exactly what core you put into it. But more along the lines of the build itself entirely. He's on a budget from the looks of the choices of lower end processors.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
+
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
= $210
VS
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760
= $200
Obviously a lot of headroom there in comparison. A Phenom II that competes with the i7 975 Extreme. Or the i5 760 that doesn't even compare. Let alone a extra $10 bucks adds in a nice ram kit. Which is funny because the two components alone that ive suggested will outperform your current build in your CPU-Z validator. Irony at its finest.
Yeah i dont sit on stacks of money but then at the same time i would want something that will be efficient for gaming.
Cause if i get the i5 thats 200$ then the motherboard and new ram sticks that be about 320-330$
The AMD would be 150$ for the cpu mobo near 95$ and the ram sticks 50$ thats 290-300$
unless you can find me something cheap for i5cpu a mobo and ram sticks that will last me for a while and not a week.
Then just buy the CPU if money is tight, you'll save more money then the i5 and have a piece of hardware that will outperform the i5 so in the long run will last a lot longer. I was merely suggesting with the money saved on a better CPU you can upgrade other area's of your system. If you want to escape the cheapest way possible with great performance then AMD is your only option. Go with the AM3 build you wont regret it with the 965. It can handle any game on the market without breaking a sweat. Along with several features for gaming that Intel does not provide. $159.99 you cant go wrong with the most popular heart to a gaming rig (Rishwin is wrong once again the Phenom is more popular amongst gamers then the "i" series). Sometimes making the jump from one make to another can be scary its like Windows to Linux each has its own benefits but really one dominates the other. Computer programming, custom building, technological research, hardware reviews, benchmarks, extreme overclocking, etc are all part of my daily activities. I have experience in the field, you can trust my word.
Ah this Warmonger guy again. He's spouting bullshit everywhere I see him, and he can't give facts to support his claims. It almost even looks like, in this case, he's comparing GHz? I'd lol for days if that's the case.
@ that 965BE, that shit is old, when it came out the 920 (which was cheaper than it, btw) was wiping the floor with it in EVERY benchmark -- and the 965 sucks almost as much power as an i7 extreme at that. It's just a POS AMD quad that's been clocked for you to suck more juice to keep the tip of its head above water in the competition.
AMD Phenom II 965 Black Edition Processor Review - Sandra 2009 Memory Bandwidth - Legit Reviews
Review showing this, even if it is a bit mislead -- modern games are mostly GPU-bound and bottlenecked and don't tend to evenly use all available features in CPUs like benchmarks do. Also, that ram kit is fucking terrible. I surely hope nobody has ever taken your word when making a new PC.
It's cool that you're comparing a 95-146W i5 and a 135-242W X4. Even the reviews show that at that big a wattage lead it is still losing, badly. Wow, that's hilarious.
Just get the fuck out, please. We don't need fanboys throwing around bullshit, and we don't need morons that are mostly clueless either.
hmm ok i guess i will save up a bit more get stay with intel i will get the i5 760, but any recommended motherboards and ram sticks? dont keep the prices extreme like 250$ for a mobo
I really have no idea where you're getting this info from, but you're being grossly mislead.A good computer doesn't revolve around exactly what core you put into it. But more along the lines of the build itself entirely. He's on a budget from the looks of the choices of lower end processors.
Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
+
Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
= $210
VS
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760
= $200
Obviously a lot of headroom there in comparison. A Phenom II that competes with the i7 975 Extreme. Or the i5 760 that doesn't even compare. Let alone a extra $10 bucks adds in a nice ram kit. Which is funny because the two components alone that ive suggested will outperform your current build in your CPU-Z validator. Irony at its finest.
As for those 2 components outperforming my setup... You couldn't be further from the truth even if you tried. My i5 760 outperforms a stock i7 980X. That's a $200 CPU with a $100 cooling unit outperforming a $1,000 cpu. That was the entire point of my build; to outperform a PC using a CPU worth the cost of my entire setup.
Check out the thread on gaming rigs that I believe Rish made (or yj, one of them, cba to look it up). They have some solid builds, just improve any bits you want.
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