^^ Im actually starting to like Ati . . . the last few cards they put out are very nice... the ones before that where a little disappointing to me though...
At this point my next rig i build might be powered by ATI...
^^ Im actually starting to like Ati . . . the last few cards they put out are very nice... the ones before that where a little disappointing to me though...
At this point my next rig i build might be powered by ATI...
* Cries in corner from the options. *
Ok now... lemme work this out. Soooo, with the following parts -
Ram
Corsair DDR2 4GB PC-6400/800 (2x XMS2 2GB)
Price: $114.40
Manufacturer: Corsair
Vendor Code: T2X4096-64C5
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Price: $226.00
Manufacturer: Intel
Vendor Code: BX80562Q6600
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L motherboard
Price: $123.20
Manufacturer: Gigabyte
Vendor Code: A-EP43-DS3L
HDD
Seagate Barracuda 160Gb 7200RPM 8Mb SATA 2
Price: $55.00
Manufacturer: Seagate
Vendor Code: ST3160815AS
GFX Card
Gigabyte R485-512H-B RADEON HD4850, 512MB, DDR3
Price: $243.10
Manufacturer : Gigabyte
Vendor Code: R485-512H-B
Case
Thermaltake Wing RS-100 Black Midi (430W)
Price: $82.50
Manufacturer: Thermaltake
Vendor Code: VG1430BNS
Optical Drive
LG GH-20NS10 SATA DVD Re-Writer
Price:$37.40
Manufacturer :LG
Vendor Code :GH20NS10
Total: $881.10 AUD
Now. I REALLY WANT THAT CARD. * drools *
Well, with that said, i have two almighty options. One would be annoying the shit out of dad till he gives me a big ol $50. The other would be scab teh almighty discount. And those prices are online order prices.... so i would expect they would be cheaper in the store. Also, the PSU in the case is shhhiiiiiit by the looks of it. So, save myself like $60, i could always try the PSU in my current case (500W ). Mmmm, its not possible to damage my hardware if i boot up and there isnt enough power right?
EDIT: If i go ATI with that mobo, will i still be able to SLI?
Last edited by fatslob222; 15-07-08 at 10:43 AM.
no you wont be able to sli, partly because sli is nvidias technology which usually gives a 30-40% increase in performance for 2 cards, but mostly because i only see 1 graphics card slot xD
also another question are you getting the Q6600? because youre listing it as 8200 but your using price and vendor code of the q6600
i dont get it
you buy a gaming comp with only a single 160GB hd?
if you really want to be gaming then you should at least spend a tiny bit extra and get yourself a proper raid setup (
also why go for a silly duo core when any remotely decent comp uses a quad these days?
Lol sorry it was a typo ( had a few word documents open and i copied the wrong CPU ). I am getting the Q6600. Also, im only getting a 160GB, because i have a 500GB external as i stated heaps of times. And your right.... that mobo isnt SLI.... Ouch. Ohh well. Ummm. The card im looking at... it has VGA right? Like, im stuffed if it only has DVI.
:bash: no it does not, dont even know if it comes with a dvi>vga adapter eitherOriginally Posted by fatslob222
Ohhz Noez. All good. I can buy a DVI to VGA cable at jaycar :)
reason i'm telling you to get 2 * hd and put them in raid isnt cause of the size
it's cause raid (0 i think) makes the hd's perform alot faster by working together as one hd, meaning if you're installing games it'll install faster, while you're playing games the load times will be ALOT less and generaly while the games are loading data from your hd into ram it'll go faster meaning higher fps aswell in most cases
And as i mentioned ealier, RAID 0 is useless by itself.
Why? Cos you get 50% performance increase with a 200% higher chance of data loss. worth the risk? I think not :)
And it will make MINIMAL difference if you regularly defragment your HDD's.
RAID 0 + 1 on the other hand IS useful, it provides speed PLUS fault tolerance, yet you need at least 4 of exactly the same drives, and 2 of them are not used for data storage. Any RAID is for servers only, they have no real use in home PC's.
Riswhin, I have an older brother who uses a RAID-0 setup (he hasn't experienced any data loss in what is coming up to be two years now) for his gaming. It made a huge difference for him - removed the bottleneck that you usually get from hard-drives.
Of course, each harddrive is a Western Digital @ 10kRPM.
What bottle neck mean?
It slows the rest of the system down. If you have a kickass CPU, memory sticks, and video card; other things like the North Bridge or a crappy harddrive can bottleneck them, and prevent you from using such hardware to its fullest.
lol i've had so much data loss with regular hd's in the years i used computers and only once had a problem with my raid setups (2 out of 4 computers in my room use raid 0), only time i ever had trouble with the raid was when i bought my new hd's and one of them turned out to be broken from the start (lol cant really blame raid for having a hd that cant read or write tho :p)
my bro has had his raid for close to 2 years aswell now and never had any issues either
ps: the speed difference in loading and installing between a raid 0 and a regular hd is verry verry noticable in bigger games
When i say "data loss" i am referring to disk failure. And with RAID 0, if one of the drives fail, you lose ALL of the data, there is no backups without RAID 1.
And no, hard drive lag would only affect the seek time when LOADING games, nothing more. This "performance" boost he got from a RAPTOR, was made only when he made the drives dynamic for RAID, it is NOT the RAID itself. With raptors, there is no need for RAID because they have already minimized the seek time. As i said, it was the conversion to dynamic which gave him the boost, because it also defragments the drives and optimizes data recovery.
Yes, all RAID 0 will affect in a home PC is the loading and installation times. Nothing else. Although do note that a majority of the installation time is dependent on the CPU and RAM; the hard drive rarely bottlenecks installations.
And it is very possible ot have RAID 0 running for years on end without anything happening, i am just saying that in the event that a drive does fail (and they will), you will lose all your data. You still need to backup whatever data you have on your RAID 0 drives anyway, which is why i said only RAID 0+1 is useful because it does it automatically.
Oh yea? What if you are using a RAID-0 setup with SSDs? ^^
On the note of loading times, it most certainly is good to RAID a setup. Read/write speeds go up a great deal. In effect, if you play fast-paced multiplayer FPS games, such a setup may be your best friend (Call of Duty 4 anyone?).
While your CPU and memory are the major factors in deciding how fast something loads up, getting something better only does so much in that department -
For example:
I have 2GB Ultra 866MHz memory, a 7200rpm IDE HD, and AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ @ OC2.75GHz.
My older brother has 4GB OCZ 800MHz memory, RAID-0 10kRPM WD HDs, and AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition (stock clock).
I load older games, like Counter-Strike, Warcraft 3, and Half-life a little bit faster than him (on WC3 he'll take eight seconds, where I'll take five seconds).
Then we look at more intensive games: Call of Duty 4, Half-Life 2, Oblivion, etc. I take about twenty seconds in between levels on those such games, where my brother waits less than three seconds.
The only major jump you'll notice from memory for '07 and older games, in the area of loading times, is from 1GB to 2GB. From 2GB to 4GB, you notice a jump in your frames per second. 8GB only serves people like myself; developer machine users, who host, manage, work, and play video games all at the same time.
That is where a good harddrive setup comes in handy.
You should checkout Gigabyte i-Ram (nothing to do with Apple). Ramdisks look pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PiYgBhAkAM
Now that is a noticeable speedup in loading times. :D
Only fits up to 4GB of DDR ram to turn into a SSD setup through your PCI slot on the motherboard. But, if you have old computer equipment laying around, that is some pretty cool stuff right there.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...ame=GC-RAMDISK
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