Coders Paradise Competition of the Week/Month?

Amen.

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Originally Posted by FragFrog

Bullshit. Coding and programming are the same thing, and C is COMPLETELY different from C# - C is the language UNIX is written in back in the 80's, C# is the language currently used by Microsoft as part of their .net framework.

As for PHP not being a programming language: it is object oriented (as of PHP4), has strong-typed datavalues if you want to use them and has just about anything else C has (including structs, ENUM types, classes, etc). If PHP isn't a programming language, neither is C or C++.

Yes, you COULD also use PHP as a simple scripting language, only echo'ing stuff here and there, but you can do the same with C++. The fact that more noobs use PHP to do it doesn't mean its not a programming language.

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The programming journal I read has at least one article every issue (monthly) that debates some aspect of programming vs scripting. It's not as clearly defined as "this is a programming language, this is not", and in many cases it depends on who is making the decision.

In other words, let's not get into that debate again. The articles I read are several thousand words, and if you Google "programming vs scripting" you'll find just how much material has already been written on this subject.

Anyway, according to the PHP site itself:

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PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language that is especially suited for Web development and can be embedded into HTML.

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I'd say let's allow Asm too, or maybe C with embedded Asm :wink:

PHP's definition is outdated.

Like FragFrog stated, OOP was introduced into PHP in PHP4.

And you might want to consider taking a look on the right menu on PHP.NET, if you scroll down to an area called "Training" you will NOT find the word "scripting" anywhere, but you will find the word "Programming" ;)

But you're right, the debates on scripting and programming are a waste of time, and entirely pointless. Everyone will always have their own opinions.

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Originally Posted by eras2

Ok,Ok lets make the difference between coding(skripting) and the real programing
1) you code(skript) on internet languages like php,ASP,Cold Fusion,JS(javaScript FOR the NOOBS)
2)you program on languages like C/C++ (ohh btw C and C# is the same the "#" is put to make a differance between the capital leter "C" and the program language ) Delphi(paskal)
python, and meny others......
3) if there is going to be competition like this shoud be not 1 but 2 competitions one for coding and one for programing and the mods or Some very good programers that are not in the competition must judge
P.S. sory for my bad english

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Yeah pretty much i agree with fragfrog and yeah programing and coding are the same thing. Also you should learn some spelling before ragging on coding/programing.... But yeah basically im learning c and c++ atm so this would be fun.l Even though I couldn't make sounds or nothin would still be fun.

btw shouldt grammar clarify this?

i mean "Programm-ing" so ur code gets compiled and linked, the result is a program in machine code.

"Script-ing" ur code gets interpreted and the resulto is plain text not machine code

"Cod(code)-ing" i think it envolves both coz it refers to the code effort the act of making code for a porpouse, not the way it gets executed.

EDIT:Sry i know my english is really bad but im still learning :D

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Originally Posted by eras2

Ok,Ok lets make the difference between coding(skripting) and the real programing
1) you code(skript) on internet languages like php,ASP,Cold Fusion,JS(javaScript FOR the NOOBS)

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When I read that I wished that I had Mental's banstick to thwack this noob over the head....repeatedly.

But back on topic, the competition sounds like a good idea, I would certainly attempt to make an entry (Even though my PHP skills aren't too great)

OOP doesn't make a language programming nor scripting it is merely a paradigm u can use to program with, like imperative programing, functional programming, recursive programming, logic programming.

anyways main big diference betwen scripting languages and programming languages is u run scripts (with an interperter) and u compile programs (with a compiler)...
that is enough to separate them into 2 distinct definitions.
oO the act of programming is merely to pass an algorithm to any given language u want. be it C PHP english japanese

O/T: i'd be up for a competition

Since this seems to have turned into a "scripting vs programming" thread, I'll show you some examples of the types of articles that get written about this.

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/classes/c1...Ousterhout.pdf
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tut...ne/022876.html

There are quite a bit more of these, and I could scan a page from the journal I was referring to, but most of you would probably get bored after the first few sentences.

BTW, I consider PHP to be a scripting language by the most basic definition: A scripting language is interpreted, while a programming (not really the best term for it) language is compiled.

Guys guys guys, if you want to make a thread about Programming vs Scripting, please post in another thread. This is just discussion for the Competition of the Month, which due to feedback I will start from January 1st then the winner makes the next contest topic and so and so forth, check out the topic on January 1st 2007 :).

PHP is also compiled username1, its just done instantly and serverside. Once you progress your PHP skills you'll find there are certain PHP optimizers which are basicly better compilers, as well as caching scripts (such as Smarty) that make sure your code does not have to be recompiled each time if it isn't changed. I use it for my FrogBlog package, which decreases page generation times by about 80%.

In my opinion the difference between scripting and programming is the level of sofistication a language offers, and there is not a bounding criterium for it. In many ways PHP is a programming language, in many ways it is not. But, as has been mentioned, that discussion is offtopic here and probably quite useless.

More ontopic: Kentucky, you gonna fix this? :wink:

i have to disagree with you fragfrog, a compiled program, is a stand alone runnable object, while any php piece can't be run without the support of having installed php.

yes u can turn a php script into a compiled object but from the moment u do that it stops being a script by definition a script needs an interperter. tbh a diferent thread should be created to discuss this topic :P should be a fun discussion

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Originally Posted by GriffinHeart

tbh a diferent thread should be created to discuss this topic :P should be a fun discussion

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Here: http://forum.ragezone.com/debate/pro...ng-200155.html

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Originally Posted by GriffinHeart

i have to disagree with you fragfrog, a compiled program, is a stand alone runnable object, while any php piece can't be run without the support of having installed php.

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Actually you can. There is the option to compile any PHP script into an executable, and you can also create standalone applications with it - I've done so a few times to test it out. Interfacing goes much the same way as with JAVA in fact.

On the other hand, a C++ source has to be linked and made into an object file first too before you can actually compile it into an executable, so once again PHP isn't so different.

Yes, January the first, but I'm going to hold 2 seperate catergories (sp?):

- Web
- Compiled

Basically web covers:
- PHP
- ASP
- Javascript
- HTML
- Other..

Compiled:
- C/C+/C++/C#
- Python
- PERL
- Visual Basic
- Other..

Or I will have one big competition for the first one if everyone just stfu's and gets over the fact there is a difference....

Suits me, I can code in both types, and 7 of the 10 listed there :tongue: