This is an article that was linked to on a forum I lurk/browse on. Thought it might be of interest to you Mr. Maiden (somehow):Originally Posted by Iron Maiden
Is Justin Timberlake a Product of Cumulative Advantage?
By DUNCAN J. WATTS
Published: April 15, 2007
As anyone who follows the business of culture is aware, the profits of cultural industries depend disproportionately on the occasional outsize success
Yeah, you can measure their skills to your own standards, but there is no way you can unbiasedly do it for a population, no fuking way. Everyone has their own opinion on skill level, shit some people value their dancing ability more than their acutal voice, or instrument playin ability. Some people actually enjoy the "loud noises". You conform to your own style/type of music, others may not.
What you're talking about is "personal preference" not somebody's skill level.
No im sayin that personal preference/outside influences can influence what someone might think is skillful.
I completely agree with the original post, I stopped listening to the radio/watching TV long ago and it's broadened my musical taste greatly and shown me how I was the type of person I now despise. Most of the people you see now are such tools that they won't even attempt to listen to music outside of their scope, or even read articles such as this.
You have forgotten one, if not the most important, step though, sex sells. The amount of pathetic crap that is shown on TV, and that the only reason it's on the TV is because it's got women in minimal clothing in the video, is quite disheartening. Albeit the majority of it is dance/rap "music", lately it's been spreading to a lot of other genres.
I totally agree with you.
Also I have noticed that mostly the "less intelligent" are the ones caught by pop music. This supports my theory that most people are just mindless sheep's following the trend.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that, I agree with you.
I'll have to disagree with you there man. There is this girl in my school, she maintains like a 95+ average, and complains when she gets lower then an 85, and she listens to pop. So, I don't think you can judge a persons intellect, based on what types of music they listen to, it just isn't right, because you don't know that person, and what that person is capable of achieving in the long run. But I can guarantee you one thing, I know for a fact, she'll be a hell of a lot more successful then I'll be. I can tell just based on how smart she is now.
While I'm taking no sides in this argument, I do have something to say.
You keep stressing this point of "Good Music", but thats purely an opinion. You really have no basis or infallible points that can define "Good" music. While it may be true people are puppets of their environment, maybe they enjoy it? Ignorance is bliss as some say.
Also while you may hate all of these types of music for being "Bad", that is a double sided sword as people may consider the music you listen to "Bad". This is simply of orgy of set and confident opinions, if you really had to come to determine who is the "Winner", it would need to be determined by majority vote.(Chances are, this vote would go badly in your favor). You can't force your opinions on others, they can't force theirs on you, all you can really do is accept that other people do not like, will not like and sometimes simply can't be bothered to try and even attempt to like the "Good Music". The world is a place of different opinions and beliefs, to try and change aforementioned personal preferences is a futile effort.
I don't judge music on if it sounds good or not.. I judge music on the theory that's involved. Most punk/pop bands, have no clue how to "write" a song, they just play until something sounds good. Good music to me is where you know the artist knew what they were doing.
Most people have no clue how to tell the difference between somebody that knew what they were doing, or somebody who just threw something together. As I've said in my previous posts, the more you learn about music, the more you'll understand it.
Ok i did read it and everything and i completely agree with the whole people do not want to broaden their horizons and many "go along with the crowd" listenign to stuff considered "popular" or things their friends like. BUT once again i really think that all you are doing Iron is complaigning about people not liking the music you like. You want people to stop listening to bad music and lsiten to good music. But this is TOTALLY your opinion. I myself listen to all types of music and i'm fine with people liking whatever they want. Hell it sounds good to them so elt them lsiten to it. Is it unfair that due to radio and TV only certain artists are getting the attention deserved by toher? Yes. Is it unfair people do not listen to what "you" (royal you :P) consider good music? No because this is totally your opinion. Maybe some people like simple music and not complex sounds made by skilled drummers/guitarists/bass palyers/etc. Hell i like a little of everything so i'm fine lol.
Back to opinions once again. Can't tell someone their wrong when you can't prove your right.
That's true, this whole thread is basically based on everybodies opinions towards the different genres of music they like and dislike.
Bingo
its like the saying goes, if it shows in MTV no, let me rephrase that.
take a look at Tool, I dont see them in MTV, FUSE VH1, Etc. and they are the most amazing unique band, The Mars Volta, The Hold Steady, Nine Inch Nails.If it shows in a Television it sucks
A lot of band change by being Famous, Korn? the underground stuff was amazing. AFI? the old stuff was cool and My Chemical Romance was probably my favorite band but after the first CD they SOLD OUT to teenagers.
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