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Sadly. The section is dying, Though there isn't much to do about it, unless a whole group of people start getting back into it again.
Though,If any of you have any ideas to get the section built back up, Free feel to tell me, and we can see what we can work out!
Indeed this section is almost dead.
Indeed nothing is shared.
I've developped in the shadows for a long, long time for small servers, just giving a hand because I want to learn. Internet is based on sharing, and community experiences, and it has to be like that but not everyone can think this way.
The experience was great, as for I learnt alot, and almost all my knowledge so far comes from my rose experience.
Now another point is some people may have spent months, years , alot of time you know.. Working on their things. That justifies the fact they don't wish it just leaked and used by some people that just wish to profit rather than anything.
And the experience was just great.. I mean almost all my knowledge so far comes from my R.O.S.E experience.
If a real open source project with serious members and solid devs happen to come to life. I will ne glad to join in. I can probably help there and still be able to watch after my own things.
Hij.
If I were allowed to use the Irose source with a dev team ill gladly start a project until then ill have to ask permission.
All the data on my websites just comes from the client files.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiEun
The only exception is the drops which are sadly out of date now but actually came directly from the NARose dev team. I worked with leo quite a bit in the past to help develop their drops and stuff.
I have a number of parsing tools that I built to help me navigate around all the files and the way they interact, especially the CON, QSD
stuff.
Rick Calder's version of my Kuro-tejina website was designed to streamline the way the data is presented but sadly he ran out of available time before it was even close to being finished with it. He's way better at the web development end of things than I am. My version is all PHP and cross linked SQL queries so it can be a bit slow.
As for Rose development, I haven't had teh chance to really work on anything for quite a while now but I haven't given up on it. I'm still around to answer any technical questions that people may have.
I also have a fully working (but not entirely finished or bug free) version of the evo source along with a donor client (evo 137) that I can run with a modified osrose server. The client source is fully compilable in VS2010.
Anyone who wants it can have a copy of the full set up.
I might, at some point, set up a completely new project for it at osrose with support provided here. It depends what time I have available.
The one ting I will never do again is become an official member of anyone's dev team. I can't and won't devote that much time and effort to it for such little reward ever again. I do waht i do because i love Rose. that's it in a nutshell.
So me asking the status of the dev website causes my post to be deleted ?
I need that website to actually do some "game development" related stuff. Most of the code/tutorials on that website are not here.
Please, don't delete something when I try to get some life back in this game.
Kind regards,
Hoegarden31
Discussion of any other development site is not allowed in the forums, no matter how in need this forum section is,Quote:
Originally Posted by hoegarden31
If that site had more information, Than someone should release that information for here also, to those who visit, and are interested in "Rose Online".
I'm doing my job and moderating via the rules. Hope you understand,
-Henmoro
In that case, my apologize.
I know that we can't advertise outside sources but didn't know talking is included in that rule.
Anyway thanks for the heads up. And hope people come back (now that there are new tools to play with :p)
I really hope so! I don't know much about the game my self, I just requested to moderate this section, because one of my ign's for games is Rose. - So development wise, I may not be of any use, - However if I can do anything to help the section, please let me know, I'll do anything I can,Quote:
Originally Posted by hoegarden31
When did it become a moderating rule that we were not allowed to discuss other sites.
That was never a rule when I was a mod here.
The people that come here are pretty much the same people that go over there too except for a few new people who don't know where to find the resources that they need. I think that it's likely that we will drive people away completely if we don't allow some kind of back and forth discussions on both sites.
I am an admin on that other site and i always make every attempt to steer people to wherever they can get the best help for their problem. I frequently send people here if a particular discussion might be helpful to them. I also split my time pretty much equally between here and there, despite the fact that i was unceremoniously kicked out as a mod here just for taking a vacation (with full disclosure before the event as per the rules). I'm still kind of annoyed about that but I got over it.
When it comes to useful tools and stuff it would be pretty much impossible to bring everything over here physically.
Those aren't just links.
The tools are actually hosted there.
PS
It's good to have an actual Mod here again and I'm glad that you actually requested this thankless position. We haven't had a decent Mod for ages.
I just hope that you will do your job in such a way that it will help the game and the people rather than mindlessly sticking to rules that do the exact opposite.
The only way for this section to even get close to actual people giving interest to it Is by releasing tools / sources until then nothing is going to happen here , I try to help here as much as possible try to talk to people who are actually interested in doing something but there isn't any chance of anything happening , typical people looking to leach and keeping everything for them selves...
Quick Edit : Message me if u wanna talk about something on skype or whatever you guys do , I like to talk about rose even though i left it a while ago but I have a good feeling that someday rose will be as popular well not really as popular as it used to , We just need more people to go active once again.
People have just been making garbage arcturus servers laziness is insane with bratok rose client. Jesus god.
Interesting, wouldn't it take considerably longer to parse the STB/STL/etc formats rather than using json or sqlite alternatives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Purpleyouko
Why do people insist on others to release their tools and sources rather than using all the knowledge that has already been shared to actually get off their ass and do something themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom Rose
I mean I have university, part time job and currently working on multiple projects yet I still find 1 hour a day reading up information and working on my own ROSE projects and helping other people with their servers; also there are people who have been working for months or years on their projects so it makes no sense that they are obligated to share anything with people who have done nothing but merely wait.
Everything you need and more has already been released or leaked, so there's not really any excuse.
People that keep asking for more just seem like they are too lazy to do anything and want others to spoon feed them. If you can't contribute to the community with the mass of knowledge that has already been accumulated then you are more than likely just what you are calling others, a leecher.
If you want to generate interest then it's more viable to make it more user friendly for new blood and create a new generation of pirates, kappa.https://forum.ragezone.com/cache.php...%2FYtQdXL1.png
Well some (i guess and hope so) have client source codes and official stuff but don't want to share. It is hard for anyone to reverse engineer game engines and client exe's.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiEun
It's not a necessity to use the official client source, there are many alternatives. Even if the complete official source was released, the mass of people that have done nothing but wait for the source wouldn't even know how to compile it without others spoon feeding them. Instead of complaining that nobody is releasing sources, you can spend your time doing something more productive.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiEun
I have the source for evo 137 and I've offered to share it with anyone who wants it.
I've even pre-compiled all the peripheral projects and put them into a donor 137 client.
I also have a modified osrose server that works with it rather than messing with the nasty server that is also fully included in this source.
As far as I am aware I'm one of 3 or 4 people who have ever managed to get this source to compile and run as a usable client.
I will gladly share what i have. Tools, sources, whatever.
What I am not willing to do is get on skype with people or log onto their PCs to set the thing up for them.
I will write guides, research ways to make the game do whatever anyone wants, make tools and editors.
Anything really.
I just wish a lot of others would actually put some time into really learning about the resources that we have.
On another note, it probably wouldn't be very easy to use anything like a Json feed to get data from the client files. We can capture packets from the official NARose server to get all the drops in a given area and I have done that. It's not very efficient though due to the way the packets are handled. You need to be in visible range of a drop in order to get the data and even then you have to decode the packet, process it and upload it to a database. I have all the tools to do that if need be. I made them myself.
I managed to compile the v137 evo , was quite the task though took me a few weeks lol.