Open letter to the L2 community

[Deltaanime]

Hi everyone,

As you can tell by the name, this is Delta from DeltaAnime :P

With the fall out of the official L2 based servers nearly complete (I think it's close to pretty much everyone closing up shop at this point), DeltaAnime wishes to push forward to try to help the community more.

Much like we did for the ragnarok community, a EMU was developed, which got around any sort of persecution done by Gravity.

Currently, there is only 1 L2 EMU, known as 'L2j' or L2java (ew java!)

DeltaAnime has made many offers to the official L2j community in hopes of better supporting it and bringing it to DeltaAnime, but all such tries have been thrown back in our face.

As L2j is Opensources/GPL'd, it's fine for a fork to be made. DeltaAnime wishes to make the following offer to the L2 Community:

We wish for a fork of the L2j source base to be made, and from there a new set of L2 servers can begin, without worrying about NCSoft being able to hurt them.

DeltaAnime is more than willing to offer the following things to help such a venture take off:

- Public/Private SVN/CVS servers with full root access to the base OS for the admins
- Testing grounds for said builds. We can provide many OS's to run on - you name the OS, we can get it on there for you.
- IRC network & a strong backing from the team to help with any issues.
- Forum/site hosting with out worries of resource issues.

We're looking for a team (or a group of teams that are willing to work together) that is in this for the long haul. All of this does take time and a lot of money to get in place, so please don't talk to me about this if you're just doing first year java in school or something to that affect.

All resources deltaanime offers will be free to the teams to develop on and the likes.

Anyone wishing to talk to me can contact me at:

MSN - delta@deltaanime.net
IRC - irc.deltaanime.net , i'm usually on "Delta" or can be contacted in #deltaanime
AIM - Delta2073

Thanks,

~Francisco

[MentaL]

[MickyLee]

Not sure which of these double posts to post in so I'll go with the oldest.
First, Why do you want to do an offshoot of L2J when there are already developers handling it? Is it because they rejected your offer of using deltaanime?

Second, if you are going to do an emulator why not try doing it in a different language other than Java? You can easily go off the L2J source code or just port it over. I know there was an effort to start a C# project on PP, but I don't know where that went. What about trying it in C++? I know most people would have a REALLY hard time doing it in C++ but it might be a good alternative to Java.

I guess my real question is what's the reason for taking l2j and going off on your own? Why can't people who are interested in it just contribute directly to L2J themselves? Is there some animosity towards the developers there?

[Shawnmb]

L2j is just as illegal as L2OFF.

[Tank6585]

Yep, and thats why L2J servers are getting threats from NCSoft now.

[kaos_x5s]

No, L2J is filed under the GNU public license which deals with open source projects. It is not illegal to host an L2J server. NCsoft went after those servers because they knew the server admins would get scared and shut down.

No lawer in the United States would ever fight against the open source licenses, plain and simple the server admins ran scared because they dont know anything about licenses and US law.

The only thing they could do is (after a lenghtly process of paper work) make the server admins hand over IP addresses of whos connected because that IS illegal.

Moral: Hosting L2J, not illegal. Connecting to an L2J, Illegal.

[Airamags]

Piracy is Piracy

There is no difference if you Copy/Burn a Music CD or just Record the music on your own and sell it - it's still profiting on someone else's work...

[Tank6585]

No, L2J is filed under the GNU public license which deals with open source projects. It is not illegal to host an L2J server. NCsoft went after those servers because they knew the server admins would get scared and shut down.

No lawer in the United States would ever fight against the open source licenses, plain and simple the server admins ran scared because they dont know anything about licenses and US law.

The only thing they could do is (after a lenghtly process of paper work) make the server admins hand over IP addresses of whos connected because that IS illegal.

Moral: Hosting L2J, not illegal. Connecting to an L2J, Illegal.

No. Hosting L2J is illegal, the project itself can fight off NCSoft, but no server owner can. Stop being ignorant on the subject like every other 15 year old kid in this forum saying running L2J is 100% legal...

[Shawnmb]

Where in the GNU/GPL does it say that the GNU/GPL will protect your project from breaking copyright laws? I must have missed that part.

[MickyLee]

Wow can you guys forget about the legality question already .. FFS people every thread turns into an "I know what's legal cause I'm a badass" thread .. Tank I've seen you posting everywhere on the Internet about this already .. In L2J forums, in PP forums, and now at ragezone. This fucking thread had nothing to do with legality so seriously stop posting about it. Yes, we understand you believe it's illegal to use l2j. Ok, point taken 100000000000000000 threads ago.

I want to know the reason why delta wants to start an offshoot of l2j and do it all in java when it's already being done in Java...

[Tank6585]

Odd, L2jserver stats this on the front page:

L2J gives you the possibility to legally host a game server for this popular Korean MMO created by NCSoft.

Wonder where everyone gets the idea l2j is legal to host...

Also the l2j team can be extremely stubborn when anyone offers help as deltaanime said. Even your countless tries to improve the project on the l2jserver forum were either ignored or turned down. Now that hosting a C4off server is suicide, people give up, because they know L2J blows for low rate servers. If a L2 C# server is created it could be the next replacement for the off files.

[dirkr]

as a former player of l2x and l2r i'l glad with this suggestion from delta
i dont think they'll be able to get all the private servers down ( with l2off ) but they sure are getting a nice scare out to all of em
( only 1 server got shut down .;the others are shutting down themselves ( who can blame em )) i'd help but i'm what delta pointed to as a "first year java programmer ( well 2nd but still way to inexperienced ))

so if ppl can actually get this thing going would be nice

and nice effort from Delta

[epic.axel]

Where in the GNU/GPL does it say that the GNU/GPL will protect your project from breaking copyright laws? I must have missed that part.

which copyright laws there project breaks? cause i cant find any


guys we are talking for there own emulation project , they using no copyright matterials from NC or anything


The only legal aspect whould be for the user who use the l2 client to connect to a 3rd party server (not belonging to nc) , l2j doesnt violate any tos , neither any copyright laws

[Shawnmb]

which copyright laws there project breaks? cause i cant find any


guys we are talking for there own emulation project , they using no copyright matterials from NC or anything


The only legal aspect whould be for the user who use the l2 client to connect to a 3rd party server (not belonging to nc) , l2j doesnt violate any tos , neither any copyright laws

Lineage 2 the name, the service, the imagery and sounds, every piece of the client is intellectual property of NCsoft or properly licensed from the owners. Running any service with even the name Lineage 2 without permission from NCsoft is a violation of copyright law. I may have phrased that wrong but it should be easily comprehendable.

[Cloudjd]

i dunno if its true or false, but i always thought using a l2j server is legal cuz its a selfmade programm which tells the l2 client what to do etc... and as long as u leave the l2 client as retail (connect per host file) its legal, cuz u use the client that way its meant to be...

[Shawnmb]

You're still providing an unauthorized alternative to a copyrighted service. As said, the software itself is legal, yes. Using the software technically isn't.