Sounds like heaven.Originally Posted by Xerixe
hah. atheist.
Sounds like heaven.
hah. atheist.
Big difference though, during that time most basic function like party and such weren't coded. Now it's just the new stuff which aren't released that people keep to theirselves.
It wasn't better. Maybe in v62 days when it was only OdinTeh and not Valhalla but by Valhalla days, everything good was already private for a long time. Things like MTS and Hired Merchant Shops were used to show off and was leaked. By the time v75 came around Traitor released the minimum needed to get in game and then nothing else was ever released for months until OdinTeh made a short comeback. After that development was always months behind the highest version server on gtop100 excluding DelphiMS.
Since Valhalla, which was around November 2008(?), the community has not changed much. A few of the regulars were already developing privately (Generic, iamSTEVE, and the DestinyMS guys). The only difference from then and now is the people developing (which right now the notable ones from the past are only Flav and Hendi of ExtaliaMS and RMZero213 if he's still around). Back when I was doing v75 no one knew how to work with packets, so it was easy to keep things private. Just like now though, we get people that do fake developments or developments that die in a week just to get some e-fame on this forum. I remember people like XxOsirisxX raged about that for a v84 source from this guy andre1256 or something. Back then you get the annoying people like Maplr and KidFlow, and then now you get the same types of trolls.
Also as stated earlier, back then everyone was a lot worse. Just knowing a little bit of programming would be considered "pro" on this forum. The releases were not better in the past. There were little to no packet fixes just because in 2008-2009 no one knew how to do it except a small group of people. If there were, there would be no reason that v75 was private for so long. Back then everyone released the same stuff as well. It was shops, starter NPCs, and generally NPCs. I can't see how people would actually develop new content if no one who posted here a lot knew how to. There were people that were very good like MrMysterious but he was also working privately. As for people being friendlier is subjective, but I think it was kind of true.
The only thing I can say about now is that it is definitely less active than it was before. This is most likely due to the reason that the game is actually pretty boring once one gets passed the initial excitement. Also developing the game and running a public server is not technically legal, so it is not a great usage of time. Developing is good as a hobby, but hobbies don't always last so this is probably a big reason why people move on. Another thing is updating is extremely boring and tedious. Coding this game is actually extremely easy compared to coding other things. The hardest part of this game is figuring out how packets work, and after that it is just repetitive work that gets really boring.
What I did from v62 to now and my experiences (boring):
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Though I pretty much retired a year and a few months ago, I definitely don't regret doing this stuff. I learned plenty, which helped me in real life a LOT. I met some awesome people (XxOsirisxX, MrMysterious, Simon from LocalMS, and some GMs like Scammed from MoongraMS).
Get out, you already brent. :s
I don't know much and just go by whatever I've read or experienced myself, but something I kind of noticed or miss was that there WAS drama and competition between different groups of servers or coders. As in pservers all did have their own ecosystems and competed and whatnot and that it wasn't a 1% us vs 99% them type of thing it is now, with one elite group of coders that are super private, with the rest of the community revolving around them.
Back then there were essentially many different people just involved in different aspects and they didn't all necessarily have to be friendly or like each other to benefit the community as a whole mutually. People would become douchey, sure, but they kept things alive and fun (to watch from the sidelines). Now things have just dwindled down to basically Extalia and not to single anyone out or give preference to people and not the others, basically the more time passes the more the people 'of the past' become sort of like a 'where are they now' type of thing. It doesn't have to be coders or players or lurkers it can be anyone. And the more things 'dwindle down' the more attention is given to the things still operating. It's kind of depressing in a post-apocalyptic way. I'd say things have become WAYYYY too segregated now and that is safer in the long run, but it hurts the community that there is a huge disconnect. Competition between 2+ servers/groups of developers etc? Good. That's healthy. That's how the world usually works. The 'commoners' would basically fangirl over their favorite servers or developers and it was a win win for everyone. Hostility between the remaining people who run servers or development, between the 'commoners'? That's what Nexon usually feeds on. They like taking advantage of people who get butthurt who will 'sell out'. I don't know if what I'm writing makes sense I could be totally off.
That's why I don't put much emphasis though on who joined when and whatnot. The only differences in those are people who basically have first or good 2nd hand knowledge of the events or history behind much of these stuff. They feel things different than new people. But to me just enjoying the game and all those little aspects that got us excited is what's a bit more important. I much rather have a conversation with someone like that than someone who's bitter and grumpy and apathetic. If there was an easier way to pass on all the information and spur excitement in people like there was in the past then it would do a lot for everything :O!
hit it right on the money frozurad
Hi supi, you owe me a backrub.
Also since I'm kindof done with college now (almost).. If anyone feeds me a v127 (or w/e the latest version is) localhost, i guess i could create a source out of it to release here.. Pure nostalgia though, nothing less nothing more.
Watch out world! Bas might just be back in Maple dev!
ChickenMS <3
Yes bring back the old school maplers ! :D we will have our maplestory section back
Bas.. lol...
No one is providing anyone here a v127 localhost... GMS is by the way v128
Lol bas would be done with it within a week..... Pro coder right there haha.
The day someone releases a V127 localhost is the day Extalia tells NEXON who they are.
Those words don't even sit right in the same sentence...
I still can't understand why people believe in this. =\
Sparks reporting for duty!! :D
It was a joke, then people took it and ran with it ahaha :P
