Development forums and what they become

[JustCodeiT]

Hello,

This thread is written to point out my view of development forums and what they have become threw the years, also for others to discus their opinion. Simply that and only that, keep out any useless discussion about who is better and who is right out of this thread.

Development forums like ragezone has turned away from development these days, "Development forums" were meant for people to discus and develop together, also for people having difficulties with projects that they are developing. Now look at what forums like ragezone has become? I cannot describe it. Leaks that others worked hard on developing are allowed? People not even willing to learn but just come here to take what developers work hard on and claim as theirs is allowed? Leechers on the internet is almost like hackers in-game, they are what ruin the whole definition of development forums/sections. Do anyone of you think that developers are willing to work together anymore after all these leaks? Will developers ever release projects that they spent hours to fulfill to the public knowing that someone will just come in and use this for his/hers own royalty and not even give back a few lines of credits ? Look back a few years from now, developers were releasing some great work to the community and actually feeling it was worth it and not having to be worried about someone that doesn't intend to give a small amount of time needed to learn the things required to develop what they desire to just come in and claim that they did what ever others did. Now developers don't even dare to start a project with people they don't know closely or people they don't trust, actually the trust needed now has become greater then ever because of the majority of individuals also known as "LEECHERS".

Leechers are a common problem on the internet and there is little we can do about it, I do realize moderators on forums like ragezone are doing the best they can to maintain a good environment for developers to share their projects, but that is simply not enough, unless the leechers them self stop doing what they were always so good at, one day development forums will just arrive at a point that little or none developers will ever release or develop for the community nor even help the community. So to all leechers out there: Please give a little effort to learn and stop leeching what we all worked hard on! You may say some developers even yourself just never intend to help the whole community, You can ask them or yourself, if they/you won't develop for or help a community without someone going to steal your work, why will you even think of helping a community that will? Leechers are destroying development forums as you read threw these words, if you want to maintain a good environment, take action Today!


Developers = People that know and can develop something that they or others have thought of, not people that put a whole load of leeched content together and call it a finished project.

We = people that are willing to learn and want a good environment for themselfs to do so, or developers that know what they are doing and want a good environment to develop for

JustCodeiT,

[MentaL]

[kevintjuh93]

So to all leechers out there: Please give a little effort to learn and stop leeching what we all worked hard on!

Define 'we' please.
And for the people who are going to think they can turn this thread in to a flame war (or some off-topic crap), you are warned.

[SharpAceX]

I agree with most, if not, all of this, but it's way too late to 'make a change'. You might as well go private or just let it die.

[Shawn]

Have to say I agree with this. Unfortunately, no matter how hard we've tried, getting people to learn is harder than it sounds. Yes, there have been some that make the attempt, and they've gone on to do nice things, but overall... it's a defeated task. There needs to be some kinda ground breaking tutorials that reach even the lowest level of beginners to be able to get development booming again. Moogra took a great step with his packet thread, but sadly, more needs to be done. Quite frankly, there aren't many people that are willing to contribute in the sense of helping development get kick started again.

[JustCodeiT]

Define 'we' please.
And for the people who are going to think they can turn this thread in to a flame war (or some off-topic crap), you are warned.

defined! Thanks for reminding me!

I agree with most, if not, all of this, but it's way too late to 'make a change'. You might as well go private or just let it die.

It might be to late to bring the whole situation back to where it was know as a "good environment". But is it too late to try to stop or at least minimize leechers?


To everyone else: You can post some ideas of how to stop leechers? As we all know the majority of leechers are not wiling to learn anything regarding the actual development so making everything anti-leech and providing tutorials that are suitable to people that actually did some "learning" might make a difference ? Post your idea!

[Shawn]

defined! Thanks for reminding me!





It might be to late to bring the whole situation back to where it was know as a "good environment". But is it too late to try to stop or at least minimize leechers?


To everyone else: You can post some ideas of how to stop leechers? As we all know the majority of leechers are not wiling to learn anything regarding the actual development so making everything anti-noob and providing tutorials that are suitable to people that actually did some "learning" might make a difference ? Post your idea!

The only real way to stop a leecher is to not release anything or let anyone in on your developments. That won't help the situation at all, and would only further contribute to the end of public development. Also, posting in depth tutorials will help, regardless if people want to believe it or not. You give people a chance to learn, with guides in a set location, they will utilize it. There aren't many guides here that explain much as far as source code goes. There are guides on NPCs, and guides on setting up servers... guides on how to add in pre-released features, and guides on how to fix common issues, but there's not much on how to add your own features from your own ideas. Most people say to read a Java book, but instead of doing that, why not try to teach them what you as a member know? For all you know, your words might be more understandable than a book to the person reading it.

[Cyclone999]

I don't like the fact that there are so many private servers in which leechers think they are 'pr0'.
I can't speak for others, but I do believe that if I released something, I wouldn't want it to go to a noob server in which they can (A) claim credits (B) pretended they coded that (C) "re-release" their source and think they're pro

I mean, everybody wants to get complimented on their work, whether it be credits or what not (at least, I would). But the fact that I know that leechers WILL take the work and not leave credits, I probably wouldn't want to release anything.

I think the best way is to resume public dev with noob-checks in every release. All releases have to be checked before they can be posted. No re-releases of sources (I know you guys have a rule on this, but I don't think it's working out too well)

-cycl0ne

[SharpAceX]

Last time I released something useful to the public, multiple forums leeched it, and the poster got all the credit for it. It doesn't even matter if somehow Ragezone turned into a 100% leecher-free zone, your work WILL get leeched by SOMEBODY. So there, don't focus on reducing or eliminating leechers.

If anything focus on development as Nexon is going guns blazing with updates and only the few and capable can keep up while the rest of the community are stuck on MoopleDev. It's a bit sad that that's how things work around here.

I don't like the fact that there are so many private servers in which leechers think they are 'pr0'.
I can't speak for others, but I do believe that if I released something, I wouldn't want it to go to a noob server in which they can (A) claim credits (B) pretended they coded that (C) "re-release" their source and think they're pro

I mean, everybody wants to get complimented on their work, whether it be credits or what not (at least, I would). But the fact that I know that leechers WILL take the work and not leave credits, I probably wouldn't want to release anything.

I think the best way is to resume public dev with noob-checks in every release. All releases have to be checked before they can be posted. No re-releases of sources (I know you guys have a rule on this, but I don't think it's working out too well)

-cycl0ne

Cyclone999 for moderator!

[Strobe]

It's not only RaGEZONE though, and not only even MapleStory, it's ANYTHING. You can't stop people from trying to steal your stuff, it's just how life is.

[Cyclone999]

This is the plan.

We create like, 5 guides on RaGEZONE. "How to remove _______ nub check" "How to remove ________ nub check"

Then when you release something, you say "Noob-check involved." Then the leechers will have to search (OMG SEARCH!?!? WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS? NOOBS SEARCHING!?!?) for the right noob check.

By doing so, they will (A) learn how to "fix" noob-checks (try catch noob checks, missing ; or {} noob checks) and they learned that the search button actually does something! They're actually reading a guide that they never read before and actually WANT to understand it so they can leech your work :D

Eventually you can just release a broken release and the leechers will do the work for you ("Excuse me, but shouldn't there be one of those savetoDB functions here if you want to..etc.")

That will be a dream come true <3

[MarcoTozzi]

Only private development could fix this, and release a compiled server for public etc. IMO

[JustCodeiT]

It's not only RaGEZONE though, and not only even MapleStory, it's ANYTHING. You can't stop people from trying to steal your stuff, it's just how life is.

Exactly what i said threw out my posts, it is life, and everywhere you can see the same thing (leeching) happening again and again, but we members of ragezone or maplestory section can atleast take some action to try to maintain an environment that developers feel good to help at and learners feel comfortable to learn from. I will personally try to do a few things to maybe achieve something? And i hope the majority of you that want what i stated above to try and take some action. And even thought we might not be able to change how life is or how other forums or ragezone it self it, atleast we can change how the maplestory section here at ragezone is.




PS: to some stupid noob that pm'd me and said i'm doing this to run for mod, I just joined maplestory development and have no intent to even apply for a moderator position. A person like this guy is the main reason why forums like ragezone are changing from their original purpose.

[billybombill]

I'm curious. Would me releasing a v99 source help or hurt development? Explain please.

I'd say half and half. Alot of users would instantly update their server to v99 and act like they did all the work, meanwhile some of the community would look at the source and learn from it (Maybe people who failed to update to v99 would see what they did wrong?)

Sucks that you can't really stop leechers... Like kelvin said, put some sort of noob-check in place that's simple enough for most people but too much work for leechers

Leecher Half: OMFG WOOOO -updates server to v99- I SO PRO

Working Half: -Looks at code, learns from it-

[JustCodeiT]

Only private development could fix this, and release a compiled server for public etc. IMO

private development won't help the situation in anyway, Yes leechers will eventually be gone , but they will just go ruin another place instead. What the main thing people that have the power to do so can do is make leechers learn!

[MarcoTozzi]

private development won't help the situation in anyway, Yes leechers will eventually be gone , but they will just go ruin another place instead. What the main thing people that have the power to do so can do is make leechers learn!

You can't make people learn something they don't need it.
Alot of ppl just need server to feel cool and test stuff.
The only bad thing is credits, some of them act like idiots, yea.. this is true, but again you can't change the world.