I don't agree, if at some point people will have to know how to do A then they will need to learn. So yeah.Originally Posted by MarcoTozzi
I don't agree, if at some point people will have to know how to do A then they will need to learn. So yeah.
Java is a fairly easy language. Netbeans will usually point you in the right direction, you just need to pay attention to syntax. What I would like more guides on would involve clients and networking, since I consider myself fairly noob overall.
Correct if they will need :)
But as long they just wish to test new/free stuff they will never learn.
Releasing a v99 source is useless anyways, as there is no way to connect lolol.
I agree with almost everything. You can not change the way the internet works.
This is how alot of us came to be a developer in the first place. We took Odin and started from there. So, you're right. Though, the way Odin was presented to us when it was first released, was completely leech-proof. Which would bring us to the noob-checks.
I think it would be a good idea. You have to keep in mind though that noob-proof stuff from RZ is going to be repacked and released on other forums. But it sounds progressive.
Everyone who wants to learn how to code will want the easy way out. In my opinion for all these people, they have three stages. They play a maplestory private server, they end up liking it. That's stage one. Stage two, they want make a server so they set up one but have no idea how to optimize it. Stage 3, they attempt to learn but fail and end up leeching in someway.
There aren't that many people that are willing to dedicate themselves to coding for just maplestory. There are other benefits, but Maplestory will be their direct cause.
v88 is a perfect example of how many people are 'willing to learn'...
LocalMS was released and it was very buggy, and there were only 3 or 4 v88 servers that were actually half decent. that pretty much summarizes the problem right there
also idk why people are all obsessed about learning java when learning packets imo is more beneficial (you can probably get by with a minimal knowledge of java)
Last edited by blawgwarmzz; 28-07-11 at 01:55 AM.
Because learning the language itself opens the door to more opportunities. Perfect example is the MapleRace. Not many people who only know basic java would have the knowledge to put something like that together, although they may have the idea on how they'd like it to be. Don't get me wrong, GMS-like is great and all, but without much knowledge in the language, you won't be able to add "good" custom features without help.
This is the first decent thread I have seen in a long time. I will agree that leaks discourage releases. Nowadays we have too many noob server owners that just Leech and make all the profits while the developers get nothing.
Just my two cents.
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Last edited by jon5477; 28-07-11 at 08:02 AM.
I guess my apologize for this. I am not coding for the public anymore. At least, not like I have always done.
For one year I have coded MoopleDEV for RaGEZONE, I did it because it was fun and a great way to learn Java. And now I know why "pro's" ignore you when you ask too much. It is really annoying, but besides that, most things are so easy to fix, but the 'leechers' aren't even checking what might be wrong or how to do it. Nowadays I sometimes just ignore questions on msn, and then like 30 minutes later, they are like: 'nvm, already fixed it'. Leechers are actually learning, but they just need some time and more independence.
For leechers:
1. 'Thinking' is the most important while coding. Think what this will do and that will do.
2. Check how other things are coded in the source. Most things are already there, and when you are stuck at things like 'protected', google them.
3. Spend more time when trying to fix something, eventually you will find out what you have to do. Also refer to 1.
Good Luck,
Kevin :)
I remember when these threads started popping up in 2008, nothing new, its always been around and in a perfect world people wouldn't have issues with leechers/leakers.
P.S This thread topic has been discussed a thousand times over, nothing has changed and will change.
Last edited by RaptorJesus; 28-07-11 at 09:42 PM.
This + The fact that even though these threads pop up and whatnot, there will be another person who steps up to the plate in spoonfeeding the noobs. In mid 2008 til early 2010 it was Moogra and his small team. Then in mid 2010 til not too long ago from now it was kevintjuh93 who was coding Moople single-handedly.
Give it a few months there will be another guy to feed all the noobs once again, and this thread will sink to the 5th page.
You could just put messages when you login that says 'Source Made by _____ of RageZone'. Leechers can't change the pop-up message and I doubt that people would release with the message gone.
I guess nowadays leechers really can't search on notepad ++ :source made by xxxx: lol..
The above sentence is in a good way not like "ohh are leechers so stupid ?" Its in a way like "leechers really can't remove that message and i agree with you". Hope you understand :S
JustCodeiT,
I personally have tried to make in-depth tutorials to help leachers in the past. (on a different forum) All that happened is that the tutorial simple sunk to the 20th page of the forum with no replies in it. Leachers have absolutely no interest in learning anything, they simply want to have fistfuls of free things stuffed down their throats. Anthony and I tried to lighten up the maple community a little bit by making a development for our v40b source. The results basically made us decide to not only keep the source private, but to entirely nuke the thread.
I personally think that the best thing to do is to let the maple development die out entirely for a little while. Let everyone as a whole miss it. Either it will stay dead, or it will make a decent come back. At this point, either one is appreciated.
Last edited by Sifl; 29-07-11 at 06:27 PM.
